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Ilama
« on: September 15, 2020, 02:19:45 PM »
Our ilama growing in a pot. Looks like a red. Maybe Har or someone else can confirm the exact variety. Harvested first fruit the other day after we noticed it had cracked. Waiting for it to soften up before opening it. Iíll post more pics at that time.
Noticed some cracks in the bark near the graft. Hope thatís not a problem in the future.














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Re: Ilama
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2020, 03:30:51 PM »
I've seen a lot of ilamas with a delayed graft incompatibility. I wonder if that is what the cracks you are seeing are the result of.

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Re: Ilama
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2020, 04:36:54 PM »
Is it grafted on to A.reticulata? I am wondering what rootstock have the lowest rate of delayed incompatability. They do marcot and I am thinking this might be preferred for propagation.

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Re: Ilama
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2020, 04:38:05 PM »
Seedling bear quite quickly but do get quite large.

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Re: Ilama
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2020, 05:02:02 PM »
Is it grafted on to A.reticulata? I am wondering what rootstock have the lowest rate of delayed incompatability. They do marcot and I am thinking this might be preferred for propagation.

Not sure. We purchased it at a rare fruit club sale in West Palm Beach, FL about a year and a half ago. Tag on it says Fruitscapes nursery.
All I know is that it's going crazy with new growth and flowers for the past few months.

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Re: Ilama
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2020, 08:53:51 PM »
Do you have a picture of the fruit after picking, showing the crack?
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Re: Ilama
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2020, 08:59:00 PM »
I have a red genova grafted on pond apple and I wish mine looked as good as yours.
It does have the same issue with the boot but mine has more of a crack.  Mine is growing good
also this year. Why didn't you put it in the ground?

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Re: Ilama
« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2020, 11:30:26 PM »
I am not a fan of pond apple as a rootstock on anything.

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Re: Ilama
« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2020, 07:31:55 AM »
I have a red genova grafted on pond apple and I wish mine looked as good as yours.
It does have the same issue with the boot but mine has more of a crack.  Mine is growing good
also this year. Why didn't you put it in the ground?

We grow everything in pots right now because we live in HOA. We will be moving in about a year when our new house is done being built. Then we can put everything in the ground.

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Re: Ilama
« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2020, 07:35:17 AM »
Do you have a picture of the fruit after picking, showing the crack?


« Last Edit: September 16, 2020, 07:40:09 AM by dross99_si »

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Re: Ilama
« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2020, 07:47:42 AM »
Well the fruit has been sitting for 5 days and is still rock hard and beginning to turn brown on the outside so we decided to just cut it open. I guess we probably jumped the gun and picked it too early.
Do you really need to let them split all the way down the side before harvesting?
Sad that we lost our first fruit. Learning lessons the hard way.
What should we do differently in the future for better success?




« Last Edit: September 16, 2020, 07:51:26 AM by dross99_si »

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Re: Ilama
« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2020, 08:31:03 AM »
The ripe ones Ive had were seriously split on the tree


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Re: Ilama
« Reply #12 on: September 16, 2020, 08:33:41 AM »
The ripe ones Ive had were seriously split on the tree


Yeah we should have given ours more time. It had several small splits near the stem area. Not enough obviously  :'(

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Re: Ilama
« Reply #13 on: September 16, 2020, 10:00:24 AM »
The slight splitting at the stem may have been the start of a late abortion.

When the tree is well-established in the ground and well fertilized, with a late-starting rainy season, the fruit will be superb.

Variety may be Pajapita.
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Re: Ilama
« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2020, 10:41:21 AM »
The slight splitting at the stem may have been the start of a late abortion.

When the tree is well-established in the ground and well fertilized, with a late-starting rainy season, the fruit will be superb.

Variety may be Pajapita.

Thanks Har!

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Re: Ilama
« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2020, 01:21:59 PM »
It has to crack more and I leave them until they drop. Here I s my rosada







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Re: Ilama
« Reply #16 on: September 16, 2020, 01:31:33 PM »





This is the way they it should look When properly ripe
« Last Edit: September 16, 2020, 03:26:25 PM by JF »

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Re: Ilama
« Reply #17 on: September 18, 2020, 07:23:59 PM »
I would never speak 'Ill-a -ma". Bad pun now I can move on.They don't always split but usually with big fruit.My Rosendo perez has fuit a lot like the rosada so maybe they are the same thing. I have 3 pinks but the red Genova tastes better and is a more compact tree. There are a few tricks to germinating seeds and a lot of bad advice around on how to do it

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Re: Ilama
« Reply #18 on: September 26, 2020, 12:11:36 PM »
Sad that our first fruit was a dud, but alas there are more on the way!









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Re: Ilama
« Reply #19 on: September 26, 2020, 01:01:18 PM »
I am not a fan of pond apple as a rootstock on anything.

I agree in general but Gary Zill has a specific pond apple rootstock he uses for ilama that works great.  Problem is the availability of the seeds for it is not great.
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Re: Ilama
« Reply #20 on: September 26, 2020, 02:41:48 PM »
Cherimoya rootstock works great with Ilama. I can manage at 12í by pruning 2x a year. Here is my Genova red next to my Rollinia 5í apart




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Re: Ilama
« Reply #21 on: September 26, 2020, 04:14:32 PM »
Cherimoya rootstock works great with Ilama. I can manage at 12í by pruning 2x a year. Here is my Genova red next to my Rollinia 5í apart




For sone reason, it has had issues on moya rootstock in Florida.
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Re: Ilama
« Reply #22 on: September 26, 2020, 04:21:40 PM »
https://irrecenvhort.ifas.ufl.edu/plant-prop-glossary/06-grafting/02-graftingtypes/08-grafting-inarching.html
You should look into Inarching just in case so you should can save the tree .
Incompatible graft intake years to fail but I'm maybe incorrect

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Re: Ilama
« Reply #23 on: September 26, 2020, 04:33:12 PM »
https://irrecenvhort.ifas.ufl.edu/plant-prop-glossary/06-grafting/02-graftingtypes/08-grafting-inarching.html
You should look into Inarching just in case so you should can save the tree .
Incompatible graft intake years to fail but I'm maybe incorrect

In general, ilama have issues in Flirida with most rootstocks.  Some show early, some for not after a couple years.
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Re: Ilama
« Reply #24 on: September 26, 2020, 04:43:21 PM »
https://irrecenvhort.ifas.ufl.edu/plant-prop-glossary/06-grafting/02-graftingtypes/08-grafting-inarching.html
You should look into Inarching just in case so you should can save the tree .
Incompatible graft intake years to fail but I'm maybe incorrect

In general, ilama have issues in Flirida with most rootstocks.  Some show early, some for not after a couple years.
I like to know what the best rootstock for ilama

 

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