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Grafting Pawpaw and Pond Apple
« on: September 20, 2020, 08:57:08 AM »
Has anyone attempted to test graft compatibility within the Annonaceae?  I have a few dozen pond apple yearlings that I won't use for anything.  I'm curious if there is any precedent of successful grafts with A. triloba.  Looking for interesting graft-inducible weirdnesses (dwarfing, precocious flowering,etc).
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Re: Grafting Pawpaw and Pond Apple
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2020, 10:56:20 AM »
Since they are not in the same family, it would be hard but doesn't hurt to try. I have tried grafting mulberry to jackfruit and it looks like it took...time will tell.
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Re: Grafting Pawpaw and Pond Apple
« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2020, 01:04:06 PM »
Asimina and Annona are different genera, but they ARE in the same family:  Annonaceae.

Graft compatibility is not consistently per classification hierarchies:  incompatibility can occur even within what is currently classified as a same species, and compatibility can occur between two genera.
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Re: Grafting Pawpaw and Pond Apple
« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2020, 02:17:57 PM »
Keep on getting genus and species mixed up :-\
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Re: Grafting Pawpaw and Pond Apple
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2020, 09:52:32 AM »
I just watched a presentation by Kentucky State University pawpaw researchers in which it was asserted that Asimina triloba is not graft-compatible with Annona species.
However, this was not with Annona glabra specifically in mind.

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Re: Grafting Pawpaw and Pond Apple
« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2020, 11:10:07 AM »
Thanks Everyone,

Thanks for your thoughts.  I guess I have to do the experiment.  Results next summer!

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Re: Grafting Pawpaw and Pond Apple
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2020, 11:53:31 AM »
Good luck!

I just noticed your Signature line - are you interested in A. triloba in that context?
It seems like it would be a great object of research. To me itís like the durian of North American native fruits - it has a powerful aroma (though nothing like durian in scent!) and odd, nuanced, highly variable flavors....

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Re: Grafting Pawpaw and Pond Apple
« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2020, 01:35:23 PM »
Check out other Asimina species. The others are all native to Florida, and are generally smaller than triloba. Lots of potential for dwarfing and other weirdness. https://www.indefenseofplants.com/blog/2018/3/13/the-other-pawpaws

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Re: Grafting Pawpaw and Pond Apple
« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2020, 09:44:45 PM »
I thought somebody on this forum had successfully grafted cherimoya to paw paw?? Now, I have no idea what specific varieties. But apparently loquats can be grafted onto apples pears and quinces, and thatís pretty far out there... I must wonder who has time for all these strange futile grafting endeavors LOL

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Re: Grafting Pawpaw and Pond Apple
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2020, 10:11:23 PM »
You may be thinking of usirus who is trying to cross cherimoya with pawpaw.

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Re: Grafting Pawpaw and Pond Apple
« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2020, 06:46:24 PM »
There are 2 pawpaw (Asimina triloba) species that do not take other grafts onto them according to KYSU research.

I thought somebody on this forum had successfully grafted cherimoya to paw paw?? Now, I have no idea what specific varieties. But apparently loquats can be grafted onto apples pears and quinces, and thatís pretty far out there... I must wonder who has time for all these strange futile grafting endeavors LOL

Seems the apple or rosaceae family things cross a lot
A intergeneric hybrid happens a lot in the rose family See pear x mountain ash berry  = shipova (found hundreds of years ago)
 (the latin name will have a x in front like this  X Sorbopyrus auricularis)


As for hybrids of Asimina with Florida ones I'd be interested in that myself
One thing that I would be afraid of grafting is the graft might out grow the small Florida species ,
but I am really not sure just a possibility as it happens I hear with other stuff.

another interesting species in Florida is the 2 Deeringothamnus (beautiful Pawpaw)
Asimina manasota is said to be discovered less then 15 years ago so who knows what else is still out there.

 

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