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Re: Seedling Mango tree thread
« Reply #25 on: October 16, 2020, 02:40:44 PM »
Guava seed has 5 sprouts coming out


Seed from this guava mango


At first, thought  seed was mono












Hey Max, did the fruit taste like Guava? This thread has people saying that itís monoembryonic and polyembryonic. Perhaps this is one of those varieties that is Polyembryonic but sometimes throws mono seeds? http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=15929.msg368142#msg368142

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Re: Seedling Mango tree thread
« Reply #26 on: October 16, 2020, 02:41:26 PM »
...so, people growing polyembryonic seeds of named mangoes DO NOT actually have the exact same fruit tree as the named cultivars.

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Re: Seedling Mango tree thread
« Reply #27 on: October 16, 2020, 05:24:49 PM »
@Simon
I did not taste any guava flavor. To me, the flavor reminds me of the kesar mango. Love this tree for the Indian flavor profile and the vigorous growth it has. Flowers and sets fruit very well too. If your into kesars and Alponsos, I think this is a very good alternative for growing in SoCal.

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Re: Seedling Mango tree thread
« Reply #28 on: October 16, 2020, 05:36:05 PM »
Guava seed has 5 sprouts coming out


Seed from this guava mango


At first, thought  seed was mono











It is mono. With paradoxical multiple sprouts.  It happens

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Re: Seedling Mango tree thread
« Reply #29 on: October 16, 2020, 07:38:13 PM »
...so, people growing polyembryonic seeds of named mangoes DO NOT actually have the exact same fruit tree as the named cultivars.

That's what I was thinking after reading shaneatwell's post, roblack. I guess I'm waiting to see how close the polyembryonic seedlings' fruits are to the parent or if they're different enough to get a new name.

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Re: Seedling Mango tree thread
« Reply #30 on: October 16, 2020, 08:44:58 PM »
This is my mono embryonic mango seedling  which is 9 weeks old. It came from a Keitt mango and I have yet to see any fruit.
The second one is also a keitt mango which was poly embryonic but ironically, the leaves look quite different. Than a typical mango tree let alone a keitt. To be honest, I think the mono embryonic one is going to produce more true to type.



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Re: Seedling Mango tree thread
« Reply #31 on: October 16, 2020, 11:45:06 PM »
...so, people growing polyembryonic seeds of named mangoes DO NOT actually have the exact same fruit tree as the named cultivars.

Hey Roblack, sort of. When you plant a seed from a Polyembryonic mango, you can get a clone or the zygotic seedling. The Zygotic seedling will be genetically different so it will have a different genotype and the phenotype will likely be different as well.

The clone should have identical or near identical genetics so it should have the same genotype and phenotype although there may also be other factors such as genetic drift.

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Re: Seedling Mango tree thread
« Reply #32 on: October 16, 2020, 11:48:43 PM »
@Simon
I did not taste any guava flavor. To me, the flavor reminds me of the kesar mango. Love this tree for the Indian flavor profile and the vigorous growth it has. Flowers and sets fruit very well too. If your into kesars and Alponsos, I think this is a very good alternative for growing in SoCal.

Max

Thanks Max, thatís good to know. Iíll add this to my list. Thereís an Indian mango called Rajapuri that actually has a strong guava flavor. Itís a large mango, sweet and also has tropical fruit punch flavors.

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Re: Seedling Mango tree thread
« Reply #33 on: October 17, 2020, 12:15:12 AM »
I forgot to mention that when my Sweet tart Seedling #2 fruit came off in my hand, it leaked some clear sap that had a very strong Indochinese resin scent. The fruit is turning a bit more yellow and it will probably be ripe tomorrow or the day after. Iíll report back once I cut it open.

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Re: Seedling Mango tree thread
« Reply #34 on: October 17, 2020, 01:54:13 AM »
I fruited a seedling sweet tart for the first time off my seedling tree and off my aunt's manila tree that I grafted onto. The seedling tree  itself  produced around  15 decent size fruits. It tasted very similar to the original. Fruit was just smaller. The seed was from the mango tasting at Gary's house in Palm Springs from way back when. It was in a pot until two years ago.

Original ST on left, seedling on the right
 


Seedling sweet tart grafted onto manila holding  7 fruits on the small graft. You can still see the graft union on the bottom.



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Re: Seedling Mango tree thread
« Reply #35 on: October 17, 2020, 07:03:37 AM »
I fruited a seedling sweet tart for the first time off my seedling tree and off my aunt's manila tree that I grafted onto. The seedling tree  itself  produced around  15 decent size fruits. It tasted very similar to the original. Fruit was just smaller. The seed was from the mango tasting at Gary's house in Palm Springs from way back when. It was in a pot until two years ago.

Original ST on left, seedling on the right
 


Seedling sweet tart grafted onto manila holding  7 fruits on the small graft. You can still see the graft union on the bottom.



Do you by chance have a picture of the entire seedling tree? Also how old is the seedling and was this itís first year fruiting? Thanks!

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Re: Seedling Mango tree thread
« Reply #36 on: October 17, 2020, 11:00:23 AM »
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I don't  remember  exactly how old the tree is. Guessing 5 or 6 years old. The tree flowered  last year but wasn't able to hold  any  fruits. This is the first  year  holding  fruits.
Here's  the seedling tree

Picture of the leafs pruned back after harvest


New leaf


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Re: Seedling Mango tree thread
« Reply #37 on: October 17, 2020, 02:04:43 PM »
...so, people growing polyembryonic seeds of named mangoes DO NOT actually have the exact same fruit tree as the named cultivars.

Hey Roblack, sort of. When you plant a seed from a Polyembryonic mango, you can get a clone or the zygotic seedling. The Zygotic seedling will be genetically different so it will have a different genotype and the phenotype will likely be different as well.

The clone should have identical or near identical genetics so it should have the same genotype and phenotype although there may also be other factors such as genetic drift.

Simon

I'm starting to get it, thanks Simon! Slight variations of preferred cultivars are of interest to me.

As for another's post re: guava mango; of the ones I've tasted, most had a distinct guava taste to them. Not a typical Indian mango. Different from Kesar or Alphonso.



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Re: Seedling Mango tree thread
« Reply #38 on: October 17, 2020, 11:06:27 PM »
This is my mono embryonic mango seedling  which is 9 weeks old. It came from a Keitt mango and I have yet to see any fruit.
The second one is also a keitt mango which was poly embryonic but ironically, the leaves look quite different. Than a typical mango tree let alone a keitt. To be honest, I think the mono embryonic one is going to produce more true to type.




Keitt should be monoembryonic. Sometimes monoembryonic mango varieties can sprout multiple sprouts from a single seed but they usually have a single point of origin with a single root system.

Polyembryonic mango sprouts will have multiple sprouts but each sprout will have its own set of roots although some of the seedlings may have multiple tops.

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Re: Seedling Mango tree thread
« Reply #39 on: October 17, 2020, 11:15:47 PM »
I fruited a seedling sweet tart for the first time off my seedling tree and off my aunt's manila tree that I grafted onto. The seedling tree  itself  produced around  15 decent size fruits. It tasted very similar to the original. Fruit was just smaller. The seed was from the mango tasting at Gary's house in Palm Springs from way back when. It was in a pot until two years ago.

Original ST on left, seedling on the right
 


Seedling sweet tart grafted onto manila holding  7 fruits on the small graft. You can still see the graft union on the bottom.


Max, this is awesome! Iím especially interested in Sweet Tart and other top tier Polyembryonic seedlings.
Do you happen to remember which seedling you kept? Was it the more vigorous or less vigorous seedling from the seed?

If we consistently find that either the more vigorous or less vigorous seedling is the clone, that will help out a lot of the mango growers out there.

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Re: Seedling Mango tree thread
« Reply #40 on: October 17, 2020, 11:33:00 PM »
@Simon
I did not taste any guava flavor. To me, the flavor reminds me of the kesar mango. Love this tree for the Indian flavor profile and the vigorous growth it has. Flowers and sets fruit very well too. If your into kesars and Alponsos, I think this is a very good alternative for growing in SoCal.

Max


I've never tried that.

Thanks Max, thatís good to know. Iíll add this to my list. Thereís an Indian mango called Rajapuri that actually has a strong guava flavor. Itís a large mango, sweet and also has tropical fruit punch flavors.

Simon
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Re: Seedling Mango tree thread
« Reply #41 on: October 18, 2020, 12:27:34 AM »
Here is an E4 seedling. I planted out several E4 seeds and some came up with multiple sprouts but this seed only had a single sprout come up. It was planted about June-July of last year and is growing very well. It is currently 43 inches tall but has a new vegetative flush pushing right now.





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Re: Seedling Mango tree thread
« Reply #42 on: October 18, 2020, 01:51:26 AM »

Max, this is awesome! I’m especially interested in Sweet Tart and other top tier Polyembryonic seedlings.
Do you happen to remember which seedling you kept? Was it the more vigorous or less vigorous seedling from the seed?

If we consistently find that either the more vigorous or less vigorous seedling is the clone, that will help out a lot of the mango growers out there.

Simon
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I kept the most vigorous seedling because it was the only one that survived. It had three seedlings total from one seed.  I tried separating the three seedlings. But, the two smaller ones didn’t make it.
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Re: Seedling Mango tree thread
« Reply #43 on: October 18, 2020, 02:09:20 AM »
Here is an E4 seedling. I planted out several E4 seeds and some came up with multiple sprouts but this seed only had a single sprout come up. It was planted about June-July of last year and is growing very well. It is currently 43 inches tall but has a new vegetative flush pushing right now.





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Wow! If this was my tree and I have the space, I let it get as big as it wants. Love growth on that thing. This is what I love about growing vigorous seedlings. No worrying about getting die backs.

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Re: Seedling Mango tree thread
« Reply #44 on: October 19, 2020, 06:09:48 PM »
Hereís a thread of a mango seedling from my friend Margot:
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=21350.msg261001#msg261001

Many growers out there have already fruited their seed grown mango trees. Leo Manuel has many great tasting and productive varieties that he has named as well.

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Re: Seedling Mango tree thread
« Reply #45 on: October 19, 2020, 10:08:35 PM »
I just cut up my Sweet Tart seedling #2 fruit and it was super good! It tastes exactly like the real Sweet Tart and it had a Brix of 26%. This came from a two foot tall tree with approximately 80 leaves. The flesh was a deep orange color and it leaked a lot of juice when cut. I ate this fruit maybe a day or two too late because it was overly sweet and I wanted additional acidity to balance it out. I did have a couple bites where there was good acidity.

Max grew out his largest Sweet Tart seedling and said his fruit tasted like the real Sweet Tart. This is my smaller seedling and it tastes identical to the real Sweet Tart. Iíll probably allow my larger Sweet Tart Seedling #1 to hold a fruit next year to see if it also makes identical fruit compared to the real Sweet Tart.








This fruit had a very small seed as you can see in the picture

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Re: Seedling Mango tree thread
« Reply #46 on: October 21, 2020, 01:12:06 PM »
Here is an Orange Sherbet seedling. Iím sure I posted a picture of this tree when it was smaller but I donít recall where I posted it. An animal knocked off the tag so I donít have the exact date it was planted but Iím guessing itís around 3-4 years old. It is about 5.5 feet tall and about 5 feet wide at the widest point. The crushed young leaves smell very citrusy. This is an extremely vigorous grower.





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