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Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
« Reply #25 on: October 16, 2020, 05:35:40 PM »
http://rfcarchives.org.au/Next/Fruits/Litchi/LycheeVarieties5-83.htm
A 40 or so year old guide to my local area lychees may also be useful for identifying some Californian and Floridian types that have been renamed. Yes I remember the huge yook ho pows and even snuck a marcott out from Kamerunga.

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« Reply #26 on: October 16, 2020, 07:57:40 PM »
Mike.... where in Oz could you get most of these varieties...thanks....

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Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
« Reply #27 on: October 16, 2020, 07:58:02 PM »
Fai zee siu is way better than Haak yip and tai so Mauritius and you will be hocking those up after trying FZS. I like Mauritius and the rose water taste in them but its still flapping with the turkeys instead of soaring with the eagles.

Wow. Okay but how do I get this if I’m in California? 😩

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Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
« Reply #28 on: October 17, 2020, 09:30:23 PM »
Hi
Seedless litchi comes from China.
There are 2 types
A4 (Completely non-nuclear)
There is another kind, the fruit is huge and seedless (large egg)
But I send you branches from China, maybe the grafting survival rate is not high ;D

What is the fastest shipping from China?😅
It’s hard to import

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« Reply #29 on: October 17, 2020, 09:38:08 PM »

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« Reply #30 on: October 17, 2020, 09:50:04 PM »

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« Reply #31 on: October 17, 2020, 10:21:00 PM »
Yes but it is 8 years closer to them landing. Do they look familiar in case they are labelled as something else. I didn't realise they have been in Australia for about 40 years or more.

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« Reply #32 on: October 17, 2020, 10:35:04 PM »
Maybe the unthinkable has happened. The commercial growers were opposed to fai zee siu being released and so it took maybe 15 years longer than it should. They didn't want established varieties to suddenly not be A grade or fetch high prices any more. I think amateur enthusiasts must have gone around them and some commercial growers must have broken ranks. Could the reason for the continental drift speed of getting better varieties into the US be for similar reasons? At this that no one will be chowing down on erdon lees this decade over there unless a motivated enthusiast is in the acquisition business.

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« Reply #33 on: October 17, 2020, 10:36:13 PM »
Yes but it is 8 years closer to them landing. Do they look familiar in case they are labelled as something else. I didn't realise they have been in Australia for about 40 years or more.

Pretty sure no one has ever heard of them. The only varieties people know here listed here
https://www.tropicalfruitnursery.com/variety-viewer-variety-lychee-reference-3

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« Reply #34 on: October 17, 2020, 10:47:38 PM »
Ok the first 2 should be retired immediately, the kwai mai pink has the wrong variety pictured. There are some rebadged standards with different names. Not sure the haak ip is the real deal also. Emperor looks like a small fai zee siu maybe an early selection. No sum yee hong or other good ones from more recent decades. Looks like not much new has happened for 50 years of so. Look at the link from 40 years ago in my local area to figure out some correct names.

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« Reply #35 on: October 17, 2020, 10:55:43 PM »
Ok the first 2 should be retired immediately, the kwai mai pink has the wrong variety pictured. There are some rebadged standards with different names. Not sure the haak ip is the real deal also. Emperor looks like a small fai zee siu maybe an early selection. No sum yee hong or other good ones from more recent decades. Looks like not much new has happened for 50 years of so. Look at the link from 40 years ago in my local area to figure out some correct names.

Yeah I checked that out. There’s a lot of varieties. There must be a way to get the good varieties here

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Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
« Reply #36 on: October 17, 2020, 10:57:37 PM »
Ok the first 2 should be retired immediately, the kwai mai pink has the wrong variety pictured. There are some rebadged standards with different names. Not sure the haak ip is the real deal also. Emperor looks like a small fai zee siu maybe an early selection. No sum yee hong or other good ones from more recent decades. Looks like not much new has happened for 50 years of so. Look at the link from 40 years ago in my local area to figure out some correct names.

Bengal and Brewster should be retired? They’re that bad? Lol

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Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
« Reply #37 on: October 17, 2020, 10:59:01 PM »
http://www.fruitnet.com/produceplus/article/180579/first-seedless-lychees-grown-in-australia
There are about 40 varieties here but still the old types dominate production at the moment. Mauritius is just a Tai so selection and not differentiated here. I think the same thing is going on with atemoya and passionfruit. It is only time I am sure.

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« Reply #38 on: October 17, 2020, 11:05:52 PM »
http://www.fruitnet.com/produceplus/article/180579/first-seedless-lychees-grown-in-australia
There are about 40 varieties here but still the old types dominate production at the moment. Mauritius is just a Tai so selection and not differentiated here. I think the same thing is going on with atemoya and passionfruit. It is only time I am sure.


I think it’s possible to import plants but it needs a permit and has to survive a quarantine I think

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Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
« Reply #39 on: October 17, 2020, 11:17:40 PM »
It is the same here and I am sure none ever come in through the back door.

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Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
« Reply #40 on: October 18, 2020, 01:51:01 AM »
Mike how does the seedless taste compare to its counterparts?

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« Reply #41 on: October 18, 2020, 01:53:11 AM »
Mike how does the seedless taste compare to its counterparts?
He’s gone over this above.

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« Reply #42 on: October 18, 2020, 04:03:03 AM »
I have eaten plenty of erdon lee but not seedless so can only report second hand from others who have and know lychees well. By all accounts they are very good and will dominate the high end pricing when they get in general circulation but erdon lee of course will probably rule as they are just so striking.

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« Reply #43 on: October 18, 2020, 10:50:12 AM »
I have eaten plenty of erdon lee but not seedless so can only report second hand from others who have and know lychees well. By all accounts they are very good and will dominate the high end pricing when they get in general circulation but erdon lee of course will probably rule as they are just so striking.

Is erdon Lee better than fai zee siu?

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Re: BUYING: Seedless Lychee / Litchi (California)
« Reply #44 on: October 18, 2020, 11:48:20 AM »
Mike, can you send some scions to us?
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« Reply #45 on: October 18, 2020, 01:44:03 PM »
It would good to know Erdon Lee parentage for graft compatibility, is this known?

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« Reply #46 on: October 18, 2020, 01:55:57 PM »
Looking online Fi Tsz Sui scions are available from Hilo station and landed in 1991. This is the same ‘concubines laugh’, right? Must not have caught on commercially for one reason or another

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« Reply #47 on: October 18, 2020, 02:44:49 PM »
Looking online Fi Tsz Sui scions are available from Hilo station and landed in 1991. This is the same ‘concubines laugh’, right? Must not have caught on commercially for one reason or another

How do you order from them?

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« Reply #48 on: October 18, 2020, 02:52:15 PM »
It would good to know Erdon Lee parentage for graft compatibility, is this known?

Isn’t it better to root the cutting itself? It seems like not many lychees are grafted

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« Reply #49 on: October 18, 2020, 03:58:20 PM »
You will need to graft the scions you are able to get from the mail.  Then air layer them later once the tree has grown large enough.  Lychee is not that difficult to graft, if you do it in spring during the first new vegetative flush it should not be a problem. 
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