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Will sugar apple seeds produce true to parent?
« on: October 10, 2020, 02:45:49 PM »
Im looking for a grafted purple sugar apple tree, however all i can find are from seed. Will the bear fruit similar to the tree they came from?

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Re: Will sugar apple seeds produce true to parent?
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2020, 02:51:48 PM »
I have grown allot of Sugar apples from seed and they grow true in my experience.







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Re: Will sugar apple seeds produce true to parent?
« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2020, 05:08:59 PM »
No, not all.  Kampong Mauve for one.
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Re: Will sugar apple seeds produce true to parent?
« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2020, 05:29:41 PM »
No, not all.  Kampong Mauve for one.

What do you get or what can you get if you plant Kampong Mauve seeds?

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Re: Will sugar apple seeds produce true to parent?
« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2020, 05:55:21 PM »
Depends on the variety and how stable it is and also if it outcrossed. Kampong mauve nearly always grow true. Big eyes shows a lot of variation in seedlings and some even have a red flush. My orange sugar apple seedling volunteered for mulch patrol after its fruiting debut with small green fruit that were seedy and of poor taste.

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Re: Will sugar apple seeds produce true to parent?
« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2020, 06:01:33 PM »
Depends on the variety and how stable it is and also if it outcrossed. Kampong mauve nearly always grow true. Big eyes shows a lot of variation in seedlings and some even have a red flush. My orange sugar apple seedling volunteered for mulch patrol after its fruiting debut with small green fruit that were seedy and of poor taste.

I have seen green, "red" and "KM look-a-like" fruit from KM seedlings.
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Re: Will sugar apple seeds produce true to parent?
« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2020, 07:38:30 PM »
What types would ypu recommend?
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Re: Will sugar apple seeds produce true to parent?
« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2020, 08:26:25 PM »
No, not all.  Kampong Mauve for one.

Pm sent would you be willing to sell some seeds from your sugar apple?

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Re: Will sugar apple seeds produce true to parent?
« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2020, 11:58:26 AM »
Look in the Trade section.
Cricket guy has red sugar apple seeds and scions for sale.

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Re: Will sugar apple seeds produce true to parent?
« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2020, 12:46:37 PM »
House Cricket is a great seller... really nice high-quality stuff.

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Re: Will sugar apple seeds produce true to parent?
« Reply #10 on: October 11, 2020, 09:16:55 PM »
Looking cant find a cricket guy.

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Re: Will sugar apple seeds produce true to parent?
« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2020, 05:41:54 AM »
Get yourself a cricket bat as you won't be disappointed. Even though big eyes can be a little untrue they won't actually lie and most offspring are pretty good.

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Re: Will sugar apple seeds produce true to parent?
« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2020, 10:39:52 AM »
Try achetadomestica... latin for house cricket.

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Re: Will sugar apple seeds produce true to parent?
« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2020, 12:35:47 PM »
Try achetadomestica... latin for house cricket.

Kevin Jones

Yup thats who i went thru did not know that was the cricket guy.

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Re: Will sugar apple seeds produce true to parent?
« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2020, 11:39:52 PM »
Depends on the variety and how stable it is and also if it outcrossed. Kampong mauve nearly always grow true. Big eyes shows a lot of variation in seedlings and some even have a red flush. My orange sugar apple seedling volunteered for mulch patrol after its fruiting debut with small green fruit that were seedy and of poor taste.

I have seen green, "red" and "KM look-a-like" fruit from KM seedlings.

Rob, recently a good friend of mine fruited a KM tree he bought from Excalibur and the fruit was green, we decided the tree was mislabeled. Thinking more on this does Excalibur sell grafted KM trees? Because two things could of happened A) mislabeled tree B) Seed grown KM that fruited green 🤷‍♂️

I recently fruited a seedling from Fruitscapes called “yellow Thai” along with my same friend and both our fruit were green. 🤷‍♂️

From time to time mutations can happen in the the sugar apple genome ie “seedless” sugar apple, these beneficial mutations are rare, but also not all sugar apples are the same.

-joe

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Re: Will sugar apple seeds produce true to parent?
« Reply #15 on: October 14, 2020, 04:41:06 PM »





I shared a big eyes sugar apple seedling with a friend and we compared fruit from his tree and mine. They were both different from the parent but both were still good.

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Re: Will sugar apple seeds produce true to parent?
« Reply #16 on: October 14, 2020, 05:24:58 PM »





I shared a big eyes sugar apple seedling with a friend and we compared fruit from his tree and mine. They were both different from the parent but both were still good.

Do you know anything about the big eye? Is it a cross? I recently got seeds and they are very small seeds.
What size are your seeds? Any info would be great? How was the taste? Where is the origin of your seeds/tree?
THANKS

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Re: Will sugar apple seeds produce true to parent?
« Reply #17 on: October 15, 2020, 07:05:54 AM »
Big Eyes is just a sugar apple selected in Taiwan for large segments and thus fewer seeds and good size. The Taiwanese Pineapple Sugar Apple variety appears to be a sugar apple x Atemoya.

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Re: Will sugar apple seeds produce true to parent?
« Reply #18 on: October 17, 2020, 06:40:45 PM »





I shared a big eyes sugar apple seedling with a friend and we compared fruit from his tree and mine. They were both different from the parent but both were still good.

How did these fruit taste?

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Re: Will sugar apple seeds produce true to parent?
« Reply #19 on: October 17, 2020, 07:29:10 PM »
They are a good quality sugar apple with big sections and small seeds. Standard SA taste and flesh a little firmer than average. Some on my tree get a red blush as in the pic.

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Re: Will sugar apple seeds produce true to parent?
« Reply #20 on: October 17, 2020, 11:04:55 PM »
Our Isan Indigo Purple Sugar apple is showing chewy and purple fruit from seeds, it has stable genetics so far and our trees are isolated and hand pollinated to keep genetic purity.  We have seeds avaible of three types currently.
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Re: Will sugar apple seeds produce true to parent?
« Reply #21 on: October 17, 2020, 11:15:15 PM »
They have long been grown in the Isaan region from seed so this would be a good option for growing true. Keeping them away from pimping bees is a good idea.

 

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