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Persimmon pot culture
« on: November 05, 2020, 10:19:45 AM »
Hi, does anybody have experience with persimmons growing in pots ? How is the fruiting compared to a in ground one, do they produce regularly and an amount of fruit that justifies the effort ? I have tree potted plants which have not fruited yet since are small , but i'm debating if I should plant them in the ground , or continue to raise them in pots. The thing is I do not know the varieties of them, so dont know their cold hardiness . The plants are grafted ,so must be some known varieties. In winter we almost surely have occasions where temps like 5F are present, and sometimes we get to -4 F / rare occasions . Now when they are potted I bring them in an unhited basement for winter.

So my question I as ; should I continue to raise them in pots, which is not a big problem for me if I get a worthwhile ammount of fruit, or should I plant them in the ground if they have a chance to not die back regularly from cold .
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Re: Persimmon pot culture
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2020, 03:10:23 PM »
Persimmon isn't cold sensitive.  You should plant it in the ground if you can.  The internet says good to zone 4 or 5.
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Re: Persimmon pot culture
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2020, 12:19:39 AM »
Persimmon isn't cold sensitive.  You should plant it in the ground if you can.  The internet says good to zone 4 or 5.
thanks, so this winter they are in the basement again and in spring I will plant them in the ground, to have all sumer to settle into their new home and get ready for the winter.

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Re: Persimmon pot culture
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2020, 04:21:30 AM »
Persimmon isn't cold sensitive.  You should plant it in the ground if you can.  The internet says good to zone 4 or 5.

That may be so for the American persimmon Diospyros Virginiana. Asian persimmons Diospyros Kaki are zone 7 trees, or 6b with some varieties.

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Re: Persimmon pot culture
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2020, 08:37:56 AM »
Persimmon isn't cold sensitive.  You should plant it in the ground if you can.  The internet says good to zone 4 or 5.

That may be so for the American persimmon Diospyros Virginiana. Asian persimmons Diospyros Kaki are zone 7 trees, or 6b with some varieties.
I am zome 7 here, do not know a or b thought, dont remember by the map I had looked over. I haven't seen many persimmon trees in my region, thought I've seen big fig trees/ bushes and have one pomegranate that is growing in the ground with passive protection in winter, which I will not protect this winter. I know this maybe has nothing to do with persimmons , but if I'm not wrong these three species seem to grow best in the same climate/zone. Now people here just seem to not plant such trees ,so this may be the reason that I do not see them very often,and not the climate itself.
By the way I assume mine are kaki since are grafted , don't know the varieties of both the rootstocks and scions .

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Re: Persimmon pot culture
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2020, 12:49:51 PM »
Persimmon trees do well in zones 6 and 7. They are hardy to 10 degrees
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Re: Persimmon pot culture
« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2020, 06:30:24 AM »
I am zome 7 here, do not know a or b thought, dont remember by the map I had looked over. I haven't seen many persimmon trees in my region, thought I've seen big fig trees/ bushes and have one pomegranate that is growing in the ground with passive protection in winter, which I will not protect this winter. I know this maybe has nothing to do with persimmons , but if I'm not wrong these three species seem to grow best in the same climate/zone. Now people here just seem to not plant such trees ,so this may be the reason that I do not see them very often,and not the climate itself.
By the way I assume mine are kaki since are grafted , don't know the varieties of both the rootstocks and scions .

For Europe, you can't find a map, as far as I know, where the zones are broken down to A's and B's, so you have to calculate that yourself. Bear in mind that US hardiness zones system is only partially applicable to Europe, especially in the higher zones, because for example you have places in Florida listed as zone 8 which will have daily high temperatures of +20C even in January. I would say that most Asian persimmons are borderline in your climate. To be safe, you should plant them in sheltered spots and give them some protection for the first few years. Also, if you can get some hybrids like "Nikita's Gift", that would be a good option as they would have no problems in your climate.

Persimmon trees do well in zones 6 and 7. They are hardy to 10 degrees

10F is 7b to 8a. Zone 6 starts at -10F to -5F.

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Re: Persimmon pot culture
« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2020, 06:44:18 AM »
I am zome 7 here, do not know a or b thought, dont remember by the map I had looked over. I haven't seen many persimmon trees in my region, thought I've seen big fig trees/ bushes and have one pomegranate that is growing in the ground with passive protection in winter, which I will not protect this winter. I know this maybe has nothing to do with persimmons , but if I'm not wrong these three species seem to grow best in the same climate/zone. Now people here just seem to not plant such trees ,so this may be the reason that I do not see them very often,and not the climate itself.
By the way I assume mine are kaki since are grafted , don't know the varieties of both the rootstocks and scions .

For Europe, you can't find a map, as far as I know, where the zones are broken down to A's and B's, so you have to calculate that yourself. Bear in mind that US hardiness zones system is only partially applicable to Europe, especially in the higher zones, because for example you have places in Florida listed as zone 8 which will have daily high temperatures of +20C even in January. I would say that most Asian persimmons are borderline in your climate. To be safe, you should plant them in sheltered spots and give them some protection for the first few years. Also, if you can get some hybrids like "Nikita's Gift", that would be a good option as they would have no problems in your climate.

Persimmon trees do well in zones 6 and 7. They are hardy to 10 degrees

10F is 7b to 8a. Zone 6 starts at -10F to -5F.
thanks for the info , I will try to find them a somewhat sheltered spot ,to plant in the ground.
I have one spot which gets good ammount of sun, but has no cold wind protection, do u think if I tye the trees somehow in autumn and place over them white drums to just stop the cold wind will help. Obviously this will be not double in a few years ahead when they get bigger....

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Re: Persimmon pot culture
« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2020, 06:59:19 AM »
thanks for the info , I will try to find them a somewhat sheltered spot ,to plant in the ground.
I have one spot which gets good ammount of sun, but has no cold wind protection, do u think if I tye the trees somehow in autumn and place over them white drums to just stop the cold wind will help. Obviously this will be not double in a few years ahead when they get bigger....

I can't really tell you more as I have never done it myself. Here's how this guy did it (you won't understand what he's saying, but you can see what he's doing): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4nDADM0FaQ

 

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