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EddieF

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Which Calcium for mangos?
« on: November 21, 2020, 01:31:06 PM »
I see all different types of Ca mixes with either N, K or other.  Ca seems very important & my little sugar belle & oll look to be deficient going by photos i see online.
My 5 new mango (3g 7g 15g) trees are in same soil & i want them happy.  What should i get at local big box stores or online?  I sprinkled a little super fruiter 6-3-16 so far.

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Re: Which Calcium for mangos?
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2020, 02:07:55 PM »
In SE FL, you probably do not need Ca. Limestone should supply plenty

Focus on P and K and micros

less N to none needed as they get bigger
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Re: Which Calcium for mangos?
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2020, 02:26:54 PM »
Sorry partially wrong on the limestone answer. I asked Gary Zill the same question and this was his reply;
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Usually calcium deficiency shows as softness and an off taste at the bottom of the fruit and around the seed.
 The coral will supply calcium slowly but will also raise the soil ph which can cause problems if it’s mixed with organic matter.
I use Calcium Sulfate ,Gypsum. I get it from Helena but it shouldn’t be hard to find at any ag supply.
 I’ve also been applying Boron along with calcium. It’s necessary for the calcium to move in the trees. I was surprised to see leaf levels should be as high as or higher than a number of micronutrients .  Too much can be toxic but don’t be afraid to apply a little.
Borax soap is as good as any and grocery stores have it in the detergent section. A 6 pound box should be enough for your yard maybe for more than one season.
Spread  a tablespoon evenly around larger trees along with the calcium.
I plan to start applying Ca and B in August and again in December. Calcium moves very slowly into the tops of the trees so I think it’s important to start applying it soon.
I hope this helps. Gary
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Re: Which Calcium for mangos?
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2020, 07:53:46 PM »
Ok, so Ca sulfate is very similar to gypsum i read.  True?
Is sheetrock (scraps) a good source?  I could hammer some pieces in ziplock & spread around trees.
Or simply buy 5lbs of Ca sulfate & take the easy road.
Yes i'll be asking next how much to sprinkle around trees.  Wild guess- 1/2 cup?


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Re: Which Calcium for mangos?
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2020, 08:03:27 PM »
Ok, so Ca sulfate is very similar to gypsum i read.  True?
Is sheetrock (scraps) a good source?  I could hammer some pieces in ziplock & spread around trees.
Or simply buy 5lbs of Ca sulfate & take the easy road.
Yes i'll be asking next how much to sprinkle around trees.  Wild guess- 1/2 cup?


Thanks again,
Ed

They are one and the same.
Go wild with calcium, chances are the trees will love it.

Sheet rock is an excellent source.

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Re: Which Calcium for mangos?
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2020, 09:55:08 PM »
For 3gal 7gal 15gal mango in ground...

1 square foot of sheetrock pounded to bits give/take each sound good?
I'll mix some with water & test pH too for fun.
What's mango & citrus' ultimate soil pH?  6?  6.5?  7?  I need target.
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Re: Which Calcium for mangos?
« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2020, 12:03:14 AM »
Foliage pro 9-3-6 has Calcium 2% listed on the label.

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Re: Which Calcium for mangos?
« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2020, 01:35:53 AM »
For 3gal 7gal 15gal mango in ground...

1 square foot of sheetrock pounded to bits give/take each sound good?
I'll mix some with water & test pH too for fun.
What's mango & citrus' ultimate soil pH?  6?  6.5?  7?  I need target.
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Sheet rock should not make a significant impact on soil pH, as it's near neutral.

Mangoes are less choosy compared to citrus, but both will do fine with a soil pH near 6.5.

If limestone exists as the bedrock with a thin layer of organic material on top as soil, then a more acidic topsoil will benefit the roots, as they will be in contact with a solid calcium source that just needs continual acidification to supply calcium.

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Re: Which Calcium for mangos?
« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2020, 05:39:41 AM »
Anyone tried Keyplex DP Blossom Formula.  It contains Calcium, Magnesium and Boron.  I just purchased a 2/1/2 gallon container of it to try on my mango trees as a foliar spray.  I decided to give it a go in conjunction with using the Keyplex 350.  To me, it might be a little more of a challenge because the directions do say to apply it "prior to bloom and no later than early pinhead bud stage".  I will probably have to mix small quantities as my trees are of different varieties that bloom at different times of the year.  But, I have heard some good things about Keyplex 350 so when I saw this, I figured it might be worth a shot. 

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Re: Which Calcium for mangos?
« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2020, 06:33:41 AM »
In SE FL, you probably do not need Ca. Limestone should supply plenty

Focus on P and K and micros

less N to none needed as they get bigger
This is the correct answer if you are growing biologically/organically.  Gary Zill is not an organic grower and after speaking with him multiple times he has minimal knowledge on growing organically here in Florida and is only giving you industrial growers your answer.  There is an unlimited amount of calcium available for uptake here in Florida and it is the reason Biological farming works so incredibly well here.  Unlocking the calcium  already in our sand is the key

You  backyard growers that just add every single input you hear about, no matter if itís organic or not are just staging your trees so that they eventually will succumb to disease. 

A sole focus on soil health will fix all growing problems eventually.

Eddie you continually ask for advice, never take it, and seem to double down and just take the wrong advice.   You do not need to add Calcium Florida if you grow biologically/organic.

« Last Edit: November 22, 2020, 06:38:57 AM by Frog Valley Farm »

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Re: Which Calcium for mangos?
« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2020, 07:19:30 AM »
Thanks all for input.  My soil situation differs from others because i brought in so much topsoil to grade the area & water settled it.  Hard black earth is what i got for almost 6" before i hit sand.

Frog, i know i'm full of questions and your input for inputs & soil health is great.  Thought of you when a citrus grower friend told me they're experimenting with cows, letting them graze & poo sections at a time.
 
Next week i'll try to send soil sample out so we can see exactly what i got.

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Re: Which Calcium for mangos?
« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2020, 07:39:09 AM »
I think Calcium Nitrate would be faster for the plants to absorb but it does not seem to be locally available near me at least.

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Re: Which Calcium for mangos?
« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2020, 07:44:18 AM »
Thanks all for input.  My soil situation differs from others because i brought in so much topsoil to grade the area & water settled it.  Hard black earth is what i got for almost 6" before i hit sand.

Frog, i know i'm full of questions and your input for inputs & soil health is great.  Thought of you when a citrus grower friend told me they're experimenting with cows, letting them graze & poo sections at a time.
 
Next week i'll try to send soil sample out so we can see exactly what i got.

Eddie, I have never taken a soil test on any of the 5 farms I have owned. Soil health management fixes ALL soil problems even yours.   Donít waste any of your money on all the inputs. Get a small bucket (5 gal.)  of cow manure from your friend and scatter it around your property repeat in a couple weeks.  This works here, makes fruit sweet and is probably free.  Manage your soil for health yours and your trees.
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Re: Which Calcium for mangos?
« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2020, 08:10:41 AM »
I agree manure is great but some of the stuff in bags has a lot of salts in it.

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Re: Which Calcium for mangos?
« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2020, 08:36:28 AM »
I agree manure is great but some of the stuff in bags has a lot of salts in it.

Depending on the type and how its composted, manure can be detrimental to mangoes
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Re: Which Calcium for mangos?
« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2020, 09:07:27 AM »
I believe the application of elemental sulfur can speed up the conversion of the abundant calcium carbonate in our soil to calcium sulfate. It also makes available other minerals in the soil that would normally be bound and unavailable by lowering pH. The pH change is usually only temporary due to the high buffer capacity of our soils.  I apply Tiger90 sulfur pellets annually, 600lbs per acre for areas where soil pH is regularly in the high 7s or low 8s.
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Re: Which Calcium for mangos?
« Reply #16 on: November 22, 2020, 09:22:03 AM »
I believe the application of elemental sulfur can speed up the conversion of the abundant calcium carbonate in our soil to calcium sulfate. It also makes available other minerals in the soil that would normally be bound and unavailable by lowering pH. The pH change is usually only temporary due to the high buffer capacity of our soils.  I apply Tiger90 sulfur pellets annually, 600lbs per acre for areas where soil pH is regularly in the high 7s or low 8s.

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Re: Which Calcium for mangos?
« Reply #17 on: November 22, 2020, 09:30:46 AM »
I agree manure is great but some of the stuff in bags has a lot of salts in it.

Depending on the type and how its composted, manure can be detrimental to mangoes
Any input applied with ignorance can be detrimental to Mangos and life in general.

As a user of manures and compost for fertilizing plants continuously for. Over 40 years.  To my knowledge I have never killed a plant or Mango tree with either.  I can think of ways this could happen.  You have to know your source for inputs and a knowledge of what real compost is.
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Re: Which Calcium for mangos?
« Reply #18 on: November 22, 2020, 12:16:37 PM »
I agree manure is great but some of the stuff in bags has a lot of salts in it.

Depending on the type and how its composted, manure can be detrimental to mangoes
Any input applied with ignorance can be detrimental to Mangos and life in general.

As a user of manures and compost for fertilizing plants continuously for. Over 40 years.  To my knowledge I have never killed a plant or Mango tree with either.  I can think of ways this could happen.  You have to know your source for inputs and a knowledge of what real compost is.

THATS WHAT I SAID IF YOU WOULD TAKE YOUR KNOW IT ALL ORGANIC GLASSES OFF....
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Re: Which Calcium for mangos?
« Reply #19 on: November 22, 2020, 12:42:53 PM »
that's what I thought too.

can find conflict when even when you appear to agree.

Best stop arguing or I'm going to have to employ some couples/family therapy interventions on ya'll!


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Re: Which Calcium for mangos?
« Reply #20 on: November 22, 2020, 07:18:22 PM »
We all have our ways & reading text is horrible cause you can't hear chuckles or exchange words as if at a table.

Back to Ca & cow poo, my fear of cow poo (or any smelly ant friendly fert) is fire ants.  I've had mounds appear overnight, seen grapefruit tree from seed get covered by so many ants it looked like it was waving at me.  My 7gal fruit cocktail planted a few days ago must be sweet cause red friggin ants today were all around trunk, removing soil from roots, climbing up & on leaves.  I had to do something so i mixed bifenthrin 1/4 strength or less and sprayed base & trunk.

Ca i'll use sulfate or sheetrock, nitrogen in nitrate i'll avoid, cr90 sulfur i have & will sprinkle some around.  Hopefully ants avoid sulfur.

If i hadn't just planted 6 mangos, i imagine if i had tilled rows for trees with amendments that would be optimal, keeping surrounding ground firm for wheelchair.
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Re: Which Calcium for mangos?
« Reply #21 on: November 23, 2020, 05:37:14 PM »
I really like using tanglefoot for ants/scale and it probably wards off some other creepy crawlies too. Itís definitely more work than pesticides but still not too bad.  I put it on all my trees in spring time when the ants start expanding their territory, just need to take it off or move it mid summer to let the bark breathe/expand.

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Re: Which Calcium for mangos?
« Reply #22 on: November 23, 2020, 07:02:04 PM »
I just googled it- cool.   Great for flying insects too.
The weak mix i sprayed yesterday is working hurray.  No ants on my new little mango trees.

Calcium sulfate- got 6lbs of pellets just to get ball rolling.  Apply tomorrow, sheetrock will be next venture.
I'll try hammering to powder or soaking some to get it absorbed quicker & spread the rest.

 

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