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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #1450 on: November 23, 2020, 07:02:19 PM »
i seent sum chatter about the sanford being an aureana seedling, but i'm saying it was a phitrantha seedling that got thrown into a bag of seeds i got that were supposed to be aureana...

there's no way you're going to get the difference in flavor and fruit composition between sanford phitrantha and aureana from seed....

and a hybrid of aureana and phitrantha, would kind of be redundant...they are so closely related, you'd probably have no way to distinguish a hybrid from a pure phitrantha...that is, maybe unless they were both selected, and rare varieties that looked totally different...

and furthermore, they are calling some trees like "watermelon" P. aureana, but i beg to differ, it's got fuzzy leaves and aureana never has fuzz like watermelon does...i'd say it's closer related to P. grandifolia....

but when you boil it all down, all these different species, are probably the same species, and we're dealing with a bunch of varieties thereof. 

Think of Sabara like the wolf, and every other plinia that can graft onto it, is like a modern day domesticated dog.  Almost all of the Plinias that look like Sabara (at least superficially, like trunciflora, grandifolia, aureana, phitrantha, coronata, etc...) can all interbreed and produce viable offspring (with the possible exception of Plinia edulis, clausa, etc.).  So they all the same species to me...


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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #1452 on: November 25, 2020, 01:11:05 AM »
i seent sum chatter about the sanford being an aureana seedling, but i'm saying it was a phitrantha seedling that got thrown into a bag of seeds i got that were supposed to be aureana...

there's no way you're going to get the difference in flavor and fruit composition between sanford phitrantha and aureana from seed....

and a hybrid of aureana and phitrantha, would kind of be redundant...they are so closely related, you'd probably have no way to distinguish a hybrid from a pure phitrantha...that is, maybe unless they were both selected, and rare varieties that looked totally different...

and furthermore, they are calling some trees like "watermelon" P. aureana, but i beg to differ, it's got fuzzy leaves and aureana never has fuzz like watermelon does...i'd say it's closer related to P. grandifolia....

but when you boil it all down, all these different species, are probably the same species, and we're dealing with a bunch of varieties thereof. 

Think of Sabara like the wolf, and every other plinia that can graft onto it, is like a modern day domesticated dog.  Almost all of the Plinias that look like Sabara (at least superficially, like trunciflora, grandifolia, aureana, phitrantha, coronata, etc...) can all interbreed and produce viable offspring (with the possible exception of Plinia edulis, clausa, etc.).  So they all the same species to me...

I agree with you 100%, Adam. 

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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #1453 on: December 17, 2020, 02:04:06 PM »
Hi ! I'm a Jaboticaba farmer in France, if you want to buy some Jaboticaba Myrciara Cauliflora, you can contact me by my website : https://jaboticaba.fr  :D
Have a good day !

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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #1454 on: December 17, 2020, 03:12:50 PM »
I think all the black southern Brazilian ones with white included are part of a clade, a composite or superspecies that are just variations of the same thing. The extra ones described in 1976 don't have much except a few rubbery morphological characteristics to differentiate them and those not occurring in the wild are of especially dubious status.The modern definition of species allows for fertile hybrids but the splitters may have taken things too far and we need a good lumper armed with genetic info to revise the group. That being said there are a few yellows that probably should be their own thing, vexators also and tenella and dubia seem distinct also.Cambuca and the species outside southern Brazil look like clearly defines species.
The definition of varieties, forms, subspecies etc is vague and basically if you can see something recognisably different and its genetically passed on that is good enough.

 

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