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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #800 on: April 26, 2015, 04:55:01 AM »
hello,few questions about jaboticaba.
Are seeds short or long lived and I what cultivar to choose if I want to plant say 3 differents CV.
For private eating as fresh fruit and commercial sale too.Land is bit acid with humid season from mai-->december and dry dec-->april.
Any suggestions and seeds available

thanks
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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #801 on: April 26, 2015, 05:47:55 AM »
So my first jabos can I join the club now? Or only once I secure a few more varieties and species? I'm already addicted in spirit ;)

These are seeds from Ponhema looking really cut and making.me happy




Is it normal for one seed to send up multiple shoots? All of these seem to.be doing it like 2-3 shoots from the same seed
Is it preferable to leave it multistemmed or rather remove extra stems?
Patience is bitter, but its fruit is sweet.
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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #802 on: April 26, 2015, 02:47:03 PM »
Stuart,

you're in the club!  Having a plant is not even a requisite.....the only requirement, is that you're totally obsessed!

nice plants!

i'm curious to know how you are growing them? just inside your house? like a house plant?  if so, they can look happy at first, but they rapidly decline (if the humidity is too low).  When I'm growing them indoors, I always put a covering over them to increase humidity (like a bottle, or clear plastic bag, to make a greenhouse environment)

as for the multiple stems on your small seedlings...I would leave them...even though it looks like your tree will have several trunks, over time, it might only have one.   Also, just in case something happens to the plant while it's small and fragile, I would keep as many stems as possible.

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« Reply #803 on: April 26, 2015, 07:19:40 PM »
Stuart,

you're in the club!  Having a plant is not even a requisite.....the only requirement, is that you're totally obsessed!

nice plants!

i'm curious to know how you are growing them? just inside your house? like a house plant?  if so, they can look happy at first, but they rapidly decline (if the humidity is too low).  When I'm growing them indoors, I always put a covering over them to increase humidity (like a bottle, or clear plastic bag, to make a greenhouse environment)

as for the multiple stems on your small seedlings...I would leave them...even though it looks like your tree will have several trunks, over time, it might only have one.   Also, just in case something happens to the plant while it's small and fragile, I would keep as many stems as possible.

Thanks!
I'm definitely got jabo fever in my blood:)
Thanks for the advice I will make sure they stay nice and humid they still seem rather fragile and don't grow that fast are brown leaf tips a sign of low humidity? .

I have half on my desk inside they get min 35% max 70% humidity

The other half are in my cupboard humidity always above 60%

They will go outside in my greenhouse when they are abit bigger but I was just worried they might be abit sensitive while so small.
Not a jabo but at least a cousin cambuca also in my cupboard
Patience is bitter, but its fruit is sweet.
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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #804 on: April 27, 2015, 12:34:54 PM »
Stuart,
 I separated all of my multi stem seedlings at around 8 months old when they started to get a good root system. I wanted as many Jaboticaba tree's as possible and now have a lot of Sabara for graing options etc...They all survived after separating and the herd is growing nicely . Now I am tempted to start pruning these little bushes for shape, some of the branches weep down and sit at soil level.

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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #805 on: April 29, 2015, 10:09:54 AM »
Hey Adam, I read through many of the pages on this thread and noticed that many people recommend lots of water for these Jaboticaba plants. We have a drought in California and I was wondering if you would recommend using an olla for watering? It's supposed to be very water efficient and the plant can pull what water it needs without the roots sitting in a pool of water. After a while, there are reports of a root mass completely surrounding the olla.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KGxqShoGKFI

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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #806 on: April 29, 2015, 11:04:32 AM »
Hey Adam, I read through many of the pages on this thread and noticed that many people recommend lots of water for these Jaboticaba plants. We have a drought in California and I was wondering if you would recommend using an olla for watering? It's supposed to be very water efficient and the plant can pull what water it needs without the roots sitting in a pool of water. After a while, there are reports of a root mass completely surrounding the olla.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KGxqShoGKFI

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looks like it could work, but you might need several of them, or maybe a larger size?


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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #807 on: April 29, 2015, 11:44:08 AM »
Stuart,
 I separated all of my multi stem seedlings at around 8 months old when they started to get a good root system. I wanted as many Jaboticaba tree's as possible and now have a lot of Sabara for graing options etc...They all survived after separating and the herd is growing nicely . Now I am tempted to start pruning these little bushes for shape, some of the branches weep down and sit at soil level.
That sounds nice and big for 8months awesome ;D
Please.post some pics so I can know what my guys will look like soon if I keep them as happy.as you did :D
Patience is bitter, but its fruit is sweet.
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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #808 on: April 29, 2015, 10:15:01 PM »
I checked out when I got the fruit and these plants started germinating March 1st last year so now 14 months from germination. All single stalk plants.



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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #809 on: April 29, 2015, 10:20:23 PM »
Very nice plants Jonah, no leaf tip burn like mine get! What gives? I use rain water too ;) 8) All red jabo?
Thanks for posting pic. 8)

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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #810 on: April 29, 2015, 11:09:01 PM »
All Sabara. These are some of the nicer ones, I have plenty of leaf tip burn on some. I think it's soil mix and overwatering small root systems contributing to leaf burn on mine, perhaps low light or too much sun as well. They all started in the greenhouse and now about half outside half in , no wind or lack of humidity in the G house and I have some leaf tip burn in there.

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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #811 on: April 30, 2015, 01:14:13 PM »
Thanks to Adam i just got my sixth jabo a real nice yellow. That makes two yellow, a blue, a red and two original purples (sorry dont know the cultivar names) With only one fruiting im hoping for enough jabo someday to have enough to get sick of them... NOT!!!   :-)
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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #812 on: April 30, 2015, 03:01:44 PM »
You know...if the skin wasn't so resinous and sandpapery, grimals would be a clearly better eating experience than muscadines.  I can eat my way through a pound of muscadines in a sitting.  There's just no way I'll ever get enough fruit from my potted specimen to ever get sick of jaboticaba.

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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #813 on: April 30, 2015, 06:36:40 PM »
You know...if the skin wasn't so resinous and sandpapery, grimals would be a clearly better eating experience than muscadines.  I can eat my way through a pound of muscadines in a sitting.  There's just no way I'll ever get enough fruit from my potted specimen to ever get sick of jaboticaba.

I can eat muscadines till I cant eat any more, but I only have have 5 vines and they are not as fruitful as the Jabo. All my Jabo are in the ground except the newest from Adam and I hope to get sick of them someday.

I've never had a Grimal... still looking. Adam???
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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #814 on: April 30, 2015, 07:44:13 PM »
Gnappi,

thanks for posting about the tree u got from me...it was one of the prettiest ones I had in that size.

should fruit (or flower at least) next year.

I have plenty of Grimals now...but price is high because of demand!  Small trees are at least $25, the are less than 12 inch tall, but are over a year old (they should have been repotted a while ago, so they stayed a bit small, but I recently repotted them, and they have started to grow quickly)

this season my trees made the most Grimals ever  (they've only been bearing for a few years)...i was eating them a bit too early at first, because I was so excited to taste them....but as the season progressed, I got to taste some that were ripened properly...they really have to sit on the tree for a long time after achieving full coloration...I also like to restrict watering, (maybe reducing the amount, or letting the leaves slightly wilt)...i believe this can hasten the ripening process, and increases the sweetness of the fruits!

when you squeeze them, they should feel like a partially deflated basket ball, then they are ready to be harvested.

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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #815 on: April 30, 2015, 09:10:39 PM »
Does anyone have a rough idea of the size of a vexator at maturity?
I have one spot that I currently have a vexator in, that I put in because it holds water, but only has room for a tree of around 6-8ft. I had read it only grows to around that, but I suspect that could be an underestimation. I could easily dig the plant out at this stage and replace it with a smaller growing species like strigipes or quaquica.

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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #816 on: April 30, 2015, 09:12:27 PM »
here in FL i doubt they will exceed 20ft...the largest I have seen was at fruit and spice park, maybe 12 ft tall, by 15 ft wide...

i hear the one at fairchild is closer to 20ft tall

in it's natural habitat I wouldn't be surprised if it gets closer to 25-30 ft all.

Does anyone have a rough idea of the size of a vexator at maturity?
I have one spot that I currently have a vexator in, that I put in because it holds water, but only has room for a tree of around 6-8ft. I had read it only grows to around that, but I suspect that could be an underestimation. I could easily dig the plant out at this stage and replace it with a smaller growing species like strigipes or quaquica.

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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #817 on: May 09, 2015, 11:13:02 PM »
Looks like Jaboticaba close New Caledonian relative:
http://www.endemia.nc/flore/fiche2112.html

They ID this to Eugenia genus, not Myrciaria.  Any ideas?

Also interesting:
http://www.endemia.nc/flore/fiche613.html
« Last Edit: May 09, 2015, 11:20:09 PM by AlexRF »
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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #818 on: May 09, 2015, 11:57:08 PM »
very beautiful pics!

eugenia bullata reminds me of M. aureana, (but looks like it was put in the microwave!)

wonder how they taste? those trees are so beautiful...but I bet they are not easy to grow!

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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #819 on: May 10, 2015, 12:40:07 AM »
Just recently went to Fruit Spice 2 weeks or so ago,  JUST in hopes to eat some jabos. Got rewarded, few sabara, and got to try some vexator.  I found them to have a smokey taste if that makes any sense???? But yes definitly the vexator trees there seem to be growing more out than up, and would put them at 9-12ft tall.  Bonus of the trip was a large 2-3lb purple custard apple, not sure which variety could not find tag on tree. But was DELISH.

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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #820 on: May 10, 2015, 10:46:45 AM »
Thanks for the New Caledonia (NC)  link.  I grow a bunch of different type of palms from NC.  They are some of the most beautiful palms.  Neat to see the Eugenia ouentoroensis and other types. 

NC is an interesting island for plant evolution study. 

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« Reply #821 on: May 10, 2015, 11:53:02 AM »
Thanks for the New Caledonia (NC)  link.  I grow a bunch of different type of palms from NC.  They are some of the most beautiful palms.  Neat to see the Eugenia ouentoroensis and other types. 

NC is an interesting island for plant evolution study.


And one of N. Caledonian "Jabo-Syzigium":
http://www.endemia.nc/flore/fiche1027.html
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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #822 on: May 10, 2015, 12:23:34 PM »
wow Alex!

I bet collectors would go crazy for something like that!

thanks for sharing pics and links!!

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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #823 on: May 10, 2015, 12:39:28 PM »
Adam,
I supppose alot of fantastic wild fruit in N. Caledonia that worthy for domestication and further breeding.
Maybe one day our Australian friends to visit this nearby wonderful island.  :)

For those whose jaboticaboholizm is complicated by Eugenia addiction:
http://www.endemia.nc/flore/fiche4231.html
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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #824 on: May 11, 2015, 10:39:01 AM »

Also interesting:
http://www.endemia.nc/flore/fiche613.html


Beautifull plant!
Would be interesting to have seeds of her.

 

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