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Sweet Elena Mango‏
« on: February 14, 2013, 10:41:30 AM »
Does anyone have this mango in Florida:

Sweet Elena Mango‏

Has anyone tasted it?  It is supposed to be an improved carabao mango and super sweet.

Thanks,
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Re: Sweet Elena Mango‏
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2013, 12:46:33 PM »
Does anyone have this mango in Florida:

Sweet Elena Mango‏

Has anyone tasted it?  It is supposed to be an improved carabao mango and super sweet.

Thanks,

Haven't had Elena, sweet or otherwise.  Where did you hear about this mango?
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Re: Sweet Elena Mango‏
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2013, 01:46:38 PM »
Tropicdude, thank you for sharing that very interesting article on the Sweet Elena.  Are you also trying to obtain a grafted tree/budwood for this one?
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Re: Sweet Elena Mango‏
« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2013, 02:51:22 PM »
Very interesting article.  Sounds like a good mango to acquire (is there such a thing as a mango that is not good to acquire?). I don't know about all this sweetness title claims though.  I grow what has been named Philippine and also Carabao.  And while both are excellent and quite sweet, Okrung is considerably more sweet than either of those.  We need to do further BRIX testing to confirm what my tongue says.  Perhaps one of our Moderators with a BRIXometer would like to confirm my statement this coming season?
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Re: Sweet Elena Mango‏
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2013, 05:49:09 PM »
At the moment I only have 2 mango trees on my "to get" list,  ( Angie, and Golden Queen ) Sweet Elena sounds great and would love to try some fruit from it, but high brix may not always translate into a great tasting mango, a lot more to a fruit than just Brix.  Sweet Elena may be a super mango, I have no idea.  Mahachanok is not a super high Brix mango compared to others, but is usually considered top tier by many.

Locally we have many very sweet ( almost sickening sweet ) varieties, usually fibrous. I do not care for them much.  I guess my preference is a balance between sweet/tart.  but that is just my preference, locals just love their intensely sweet mangoes with all that fiber. 

If I had the land, I would get em all hahaha I envy folks like Harry with their 2000 variety orchards  ;)
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Re: Sweet Elena Mango‏
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2013, 08:33:53 PM »
Interesting new variaty but i would like to see brix-numbers first from an independant tester first.

I have seen some Phillipine mangowebsites which tell  the chocanon is one of the best mango's in the world which is not in my opinion. Also the Mahachanok is not the best one for me.

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Re: Sweet Elena Mango‏
« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2013, 12:54:16 AM »
I have no "best one" yet, once I try a few dozen varieties, and more than one fruit of each then maybe I might say which is my favorite.  so far there are many I like.  and some I do not.   another thing is, the same variety has a lot of variation from year to year and even from which tree it comes from, areas just an hour away can have semi arid weather, and around here its rainy humid just like Fla.   Hopefully someone will eventually get a Sweet Elena in Fla, and I might get to sample one someday.
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Re: Sweet Elena Mango‏
« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2013, 04:03:54 AM »
At the moment I only have 2 mango trees on my "to get" list,  ( Angie, and Golden Queen ) Sweet Elena sounds great and would love to try some fruit from it, but high brix may not always translate into a great tasting mango, a lot more to a fruit than just Brix.  Sweet Elena may be a super mango, I have no idea.  Mahachanok is not a super high Brix mango compared to others, but is usually considered top tier by many.

Locally we have many very sweet ( almost sickening sweet ) varieties, usually fibrous. I do not care for them much.  I guess my preference is a balance between sweet/tart.  but that is just my preference, locals just love their intensely sweet mangoes with all that fiber. 

If I had the land, I would get em all hahaha I envy folks like Harry with their 2000 variety orchards ;)


2000 sounds like a bit of an exaggeration.  ;) Worldwide who does have the largest mango varietal collection?
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Re: Sweet Elena Mango‏
« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2013, 02:47:19 PM »
I found some pictures on the Sweet Elena Mother Tree in the Phillipines where the budwood was
obtained:

Mother Tree:


Mother Tree:


Alot of work to bag over there:


Mother Tree:

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Re: Sweet Elena Mango‏
« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2013, 02:48:40 PM »
At the moment I only have 2 mango trees on my "to get" list,  ( Angie, and Golden Queen )

Tropicdude, I will trade you budwood of "Angie" for "Sweet Elena".   :)
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Re: Sweet Elena Mango‏
« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2013, 03:08:06 PM »

If I had the land, I would get em all hahaha I envy folks like Harry with their 2000 variety orchards ;)

2000 sounds like a bit of an exaggeration.  ;) Worldwide who does have the largest mango varietal collection?

Slightly over stated, indeed.  But give me a chance and some time.  I am heading in that direction.
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Re: Sweet Elena Mango‏
« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2013, 05:19:17 PM »

If I had the land, I would get em all hahaha I envy folks like Harry with their 2000 variety orchards ;)

2000 sounds like a bit of an exaggeration.  ;) Worldwide who does have the largest mango varietal collection?

Slightly over stated, indeed.  But give me a chance and some time.  I am heading in that direction.

Harry, how many mango cultivars do you have planted right now?
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Re: Sweet Elena Mango‏
« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2013, 07:06:21 PM »
Harry, how many mango cultivars do you have planted right now?

MY off the top of my head count is that I have 108 genetically different mango plantings....be they named cultivars or seedlings that I have fruited.  I have about 16 or so additional mango trees planted because I either liked those cultivars especially or I purchased a mis-labeled tree and got a second or third of a tree type  by mistake. Might be one or two more.  Not sure I am up to date in my count.
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Re: Sweet Elena Mango‏
« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2013, 07:54:39 PM »

2000 sounds like a bit of an exaggeration.  ;) Worldwide who does have the largest mango varietal collection?

I think Fairchild Farm has over 300 cultivars. I think it is definitely the largest collection in the US but there is probably somewhere in India with a much larger collection. I think I remember reading an article once about a single tree in India with 300 cultivars grafted on it

Edit: Just checked and Fairchild Farm has around 400 cultivars.
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Re: Sweet Elena Mango‏
« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2013, 10:38:26 PM »

If I had the land, I would get em all hahaha I envy folks like Harry with their 2000 variety orchards ;)

2000 sounds like a bit of an exaggeration.  ;) Worldwide who does have the largest mango varietal collection?

Slightly over stated, indeed.  But give me a chance and some time.  I am heading in that direction.

A worthy goal hahaha,  but I was also including all the other fruit trees in your orchard, not just the  mangoes.   ;D ;)

adiel, I do not have Angie or Sweet Elena,    planing on getting Angie next trip for sure, seems people experience with it, is good tasting, trouble free, and productive.   Golden Queen aka Jin Huang, looks like it has commercial potential, big attractive fiberless, etc.  but its wait and see if anyone in Fla. has one Jeff "might" have one if they sent him the right tree.  scions are available online, soooo I think eventually I will get that one.   Oh there is one other variety that has my interest, the "Sindhu"

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Sindhu (Ratna back-crossed with Alphonso): Regular bearer, fruits medium sized, fibreless, free from spongy tissue with high pulp to stone ratio and very thin and small stone.

also known as the "seedless" mango, because  the stone has no embryo or endosperm, and is extremely small and flat.

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Tree and fruit characteristics of Sindhu.

        Its parents are Ratna X Alphonso. Ratna itself is hybrid of two parents, Neelam X Alphonso.

        Tree is dwarf occupying 11 square meters at an age of 8 years.

        Fruit medium size (215 grams).

        Pulp to stone ratio 26:1.

        Very attractive red blush on shoulders.

        Deep orange flesh (82.3%).

        Fibreless, spongy tissue, pleasant taste.

        Rich in ascorbic acid or vitamin C (52.22mg/100g of pulp).

        Colyledon free stone 3.1% of weight of fruit.

 

Chemical characteristics.
Total soluble solids.      21.1%
Acidity.          0.3113%
Total sugars.       16.22%
Reducing sugars.     4.81%
 Non reducing sugars.     11.41%
Ascorbic acid.        0.052%
 First fruiting.     5th year
Bearing habit.    Regular
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Re: Sweet Elena Mango‏
« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2013, 10:47:44 PM »

2000 sounds like a bit of an exaggeration.  ;) Worldwide who does have the largest mango varietal collection?

I think Fairchild Farm has over 300 cultivars. I think it is definitely the largest collection in the US but there is probably somewhere in India with a much larger collection. I think I remember reading an article once about a single tree in India with 300 cultivars grafted on it

Edit: Just checked and Fairchild Farm has around 400 cultivars.

I'd also guess somewhere in India there's probably a collection larger than Fairchild's. Possibly in Thailand as well.

Last I saw Fairchild was claiming over 500 cultivars. Crazy stuff; puts my little collection to shame.


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Re: Sweet Elena Mango‏
« Reply #17 on: February 16, 2013, 12:06:15 AM »
I'd also guess somewhere in India there's probably a collection larger than Fairchild's. Possibly in Thailand as well.

Last I saw Fairchild was claiming over 500 cultivars. Crazy stuff; puts my little collection to shame.

I doubt Thailand would have a collection larger than Fairchild's. India, very likely. Now that Fairchild's has over 500, it may be close to being the single largest collection in the entire world. It would be great to get a definitive answer on that. Get to work Squam.

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Re: Sweet Elena Mango‏
« Reply #18 on: February 16, 2013, 12:07:55 AM »

2000 sounds like a bit of an exaggeration.  ;) Worldwide who does have the largest mango varietal collection?

I think Fairchild Farm has over 300 cultivars. I think it is definitely the largest collection in the US but there is probably somewhere in India with a much larger collection. I think I remember reading an article once about a single tree in India with 300 cultivars grafted on it

Edit: Just checked and Fairchild Farm has around 400 cultivars.

I think i posted the article of the man in India with 300 different mangos on his tree.
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Re: Sweet Elena Mango‏
« Reply #19 on: February 16, 2013, 01:08:34 AM »
Hi,

I have Sweet Elena Mango and Golden Queen Mango.  I think some of you have requested some scions from me before but had no time of doing this because I needed to go back to corporate work and has eaten my time on collecting different mango varieties and exchanging scions from members here and rare fruit group. 

I would like to apologize to members here and the rare fruit group for my inconsistency but when you need to pay bills for your mortgages, then you will surely neglect your hobby. But I am trying to renovate my farm here in the Philippines. 

My only concern with exchanging scions is our reliability of our postal office and the quarantine issue of my recipient of the scions.  Sometimes I get a bad feedback from my recipient that the scions are in bad shape or sometimes the package was compromised by the quarantine office by the recipient. 

I also have a new variety that came from Sweet elena codenmed LL07.  Its much bigger sized variant that could weigh about 700 grams to 1 kilo as a carabao mango variety if thinning was used in the fruits.  This probably the best carabao mango variety that is still a secret.  I actually went to the mother tree of the sweet elena which is about 100 years old.  I bought 5 grafted plants and planted it in my farm.  Then the owner gave me LL07.  An offspring of sweet elena.

I am interested in exchanging scions  different mango varieties especially sensation and chaunsa...

Regards,

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Re: Sweet Elena Mango‏
« Reply #20 on: February 16, 2013, 01:37:21 AM »
I'd also guess somewhere in India there's probably a collection larger than Fairchild's. Possibly in Thailand as well.

Last I saw Fairchild was claiming over 500 cultivars. Crazy stuff; puts my little collection to shame.


I doubt Thailand would have a collection larger than Fairchild's. India, very likely. Now that Fairchild's has over 500, it may be close to being the single largest collection in the entire world. It would be great to get a definitive answer on that. Get to work Squam.


Mango: One of the largest field gene banks of
mango germplasm has been maintained at CISH,
Lucknow, having 735 accessions collected from
diverse agro-ecological zones of the country.

http://www.icar.org.in/files/reports/icar-dare-annual-reports/2009-10/Genetic-Resources.pdf

This also has some useful info: http://bookshop.cabi.org/Uploads/Books/PDF/9781845934897/9781845934897.pdf
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Re: Sweet Elena Mango‏
« Reply #21 on: February 16, 2013, 02:30:26 AM »
Hi,

I have Sweet Elena Mango and Golden Queen Mango.  I think some of you have requested some scions from me before but had no time of doing this because I needed to go back to corporate work and has eaten my time on collecting different mango varieties and exchanging scions from members here and rare fruit group. 

I would like to apologize to members here and the rare fruit group for my inconsistency but when you need to pay bills for your mortgages, then you will surely neglect your hobby. But I am trying to renovate my farm here in the Philippines. 

My only concern with exchanging scions is our reliability of our postal office and the quarantine issue of my recipient of the scions.  Sometimes I get a bad feedback from my recipient that the scions are in bad shape or sometimes the package was compromised by the quarantine office by the recipient. 

I also have a new variety that came from Sweet elena codenmed LL07.  Its much bigger sized variant that could weigh about 700 grams to 1 kilo as a carabao mango variety if thinning was used in the fruits.  This probably the best carabao mango variety that is still a secret.  I actually went to the mother tree of the sweet elena which is about 100 years old.  I bought 5 grafted plants and planted it in my farm.  Then the owner gave me LL07.  An offspring of sweet elena.

I am interested in exchanging scions  different mango varieties especially sensation and chaunsa...

Regards,

Berns

Welcome back Berns, do not neglect your hobby :)  I may try and get some  scions from you in July , as I will be in the US then  the LL07 sounds interesting also.
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Re: Sweet Elena Mango‏
« Reply #22 on: February 16, 2013, 04:45:07 AM »
Funny that the Fairchilds claim on their website to have the "world's largest mango collection" with only 400 cultivars. They really think they're going to get away with that claim?


"Our living genetic collection contains the world's largest mango collection, with nearly 400 mango cultivars, and has given the Tropical Fruit Program its greatest impact in the realm of fruits. We hope to further expand in number the diversity of our mango cultivars in order to encompass the widest possible diversity of cultivars and wild mango relatives."

http://www.fairchildgarden.org/livingcollections/tropicalfruitprogram/jackfruit/
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Re: Sweet Elena Mango‏
« Reply #23 on: December 01, 2013, 01:24:05 PM »
Has any more information surfaced on the Sweet Elena mango and does anyone know a south Florida source for a tree or at least budwood?
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