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I have heard Cherimoyas do not do well in Florida, but, thought I would ask this anyways. ;D  Is anyone growing Cherimoyas in Florida?


Update 9/2/2014:

Changed Subject of thread from:

Dream Cherimoya, a variety that fruits in FL !  Introduced by Wayne Clifton

To:

Dream Atemoya, a variety that fruits in FL !  Introduced by Wayne Clifton

Reason: New information shows that the "Dream" variety of Annona is possibly an Atemoya instead of a Cherimoya.


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Re: Dream Cherimoya, a variety that fruits in FL ! Introduced by Wayne Clifton
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2012, 10:05:38 PM »
ya, there is someone selling cherimoyas that fruit in FL, the variety is "dream"

I didn't believe it myself, but others confirmed what's believed to be a cherimoya, has been selected, named, and fruited, here in FL.
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Re: Dream Cherimoya, a variety that fruits in FL ! Introduced by Wayne Clifton
« Reply #2 on: February 29, 2012, 08:52:29 PM »
I don't know of anyone's having enough success with Annona cherimola in Florida to be able to recommend it.  I have been given a one gallon plant of 'Dream' and will wait and see what it does.  The leaves of 'Dream' appear to be atemoya, i.e. 1/2 cherimoya, 1/2 sugar-apple.  I have not seen the flower or fruit.

During my years of Annona hybridizing at Zill High Performance Plants, here in eastern Palm Beach County, I worked with 8 or 9 varieties of cherimoya that Gary Zill bought at nurseries in California.  Most never produced a properly-ripened fruit for eating purposes, though we often got viable seeds from them for our breeding program.  The variety called 'Spain' had a few decent-tasting fruits on it some years, and none other years. These varieties were all growing in 45-gallon or larger containers, well-drained, with drip irrigation, frequent spraying against potato leafhoppers and fungi, and plenty of fertilizer.  I have not worked with cherimoya selections made since the 1980's, so, for example, I have not worked with 'Fino-de-Jete.'
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Adam, this looks like chirimoya to me...

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It sure does look like Cherimoya to me also. They have those round leaves.   
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that's a cherimoya.


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that's a cherimoya.

thats the tree called "dream"

Supposed to be a cherimoya...everyone but Har answered....

I still have an unanswered question about the height and age of the A. reticulata from Noels post.

click on the picture of the whole tree, and you'll see when its enlarged that some leaves have the lance shape, and confirm Guanabanus ,and my confusion, about this suppsed true cherimoya.

I see hints of Squamosa witin this tree.  But without genetic testing, I don't know if I'll ever know for sure. :(

Hope fruits taste good! and it bears! thats all that matters I reckon.
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Anikulapo,

The leaves in your picture do look like cherimoya.   Are they hairy?  The small plant that I received had narrower, pointy leaves.
The flowers could be either cherimoya or atemoya.  Another thing to check will be seed shape and color, but that won't be definitive either, because, as hybrids, different atemoyas will have different throwback details to their ancestors.
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Anikulapo,

The leaves in your picture do look like cherimoya.   Are they hairy?  The small plant that I received had narrower, pointy leaves.
The flowers could be either cherimoya or atemoya.  Another thing to check will be seed shape and color, but that won't be definitive either, because, as hybrids, different atemoyas will have different throwback details to their ancestors.

No more hairy than atemoya when new, but fully formed leaves look hairless (click on my picture of the leaves and see for yourself! if you click twice you can see how many megapixels my camera is, the detail is astounding).  Some of the leaves on this tree became more pointed, but most were round.
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that's a cherimoya.


thats the tree called "dream"

Supposed to be a cherimoya...everyone but Har answered....

I still have an unanswered question about the height and age of the A. reticulata from Noels post.

click on the picture of the whole tree, and you'll see when its enlarged that some leaves have the lance shape, and confirm Guanabanus ,and my confusion, about this suppsed true cherimoya.

I see hints of Squamosa witin this tree.  But without genetic testing, I don't know if I'll ever know for sure. :(

Hope fruits taste good! and it bears! thats all that matters I reckon.


Here are pics of my Pierce leaves. The smaller leaves tend to be narrower and pointy.


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JF,

Nice Pictures, and good point!
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saw another fruiting cherimoya tree near tampa, that made satisfactory fruits only about 4 per year, without hand pollination,and not too large of fruit, size of large sugar apple.

so more people fruit them than we think.
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Why is it these fail to thrive in Florida?  I have a a out 5 trees from seed and am wondering if I am wasting time with them in Bermuda or not....

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Green Leafhoppers (I believe, Potato Leafhoppers.).  It doesn't take many to induce toxicity.
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Ok.  If that is it I should be fine.  Don't have them that I know of.

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I have a few growing well. They bloomed well the last few years but were small so I didnt do much pollinating. I did hand pollinate a few flowers and had a couple small fruit develop. They ended up getting a little smaller than a baseball when they were ripe. Taste was good. This year none of them put out many blooms. I think the warm winter screwed them up. I didn't bother hand pollinating any flower because I couldnt find any males and females that were ready at the same time.

I do not think there has ever been an issue with growing cherimoya in fl. I think the issue has to do more with the fruiting. There was one member on GW that had a large tree a few years back that she said produced well. Can't remember her name right now but I am sure you could find it by doing a search on the GW tropical fruit forum.
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Thanks.  And Well yes, when I say growing, I mean fruiting (no use growing without fruit). Are your plants grafted or from seed?

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All of mine are grafted. Selma, Honeyheart, Pierce, Fino de jete.

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If your cherimoyas or atemoyas look healthy, without cupped leaves with burnt edges from leafhopper toxicity, but don't flower much or hold fruit sets, then they probably have a zinc deficiency.  The sandy soils of the southeastern US are notoriously deficient in Zinc.  Calcium, Potassium, or Boron deficiencies would be other possibilities.
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Re: Dream Cherimoya, a variety that fruits in FL ! Introduced by Wayne Clifton
« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2013, 11:56:18 PM »
Hello,

I recently had the pleasure of meeting Wayne Clifton, the person who introduced the "Dream" cultivar, or Annona cherimola (Cherimoya), which reportedly fruits quite well in FL, with out hand pollination.

If I remember right, Wayne said he collected the seeds about 10yrs ago, from Peru (not scions I believe), and that he grafted the seeding onto an atemoya rootstock.   Also the tree survived a 19 F temp drop with no problems.

It fruits in cluster, and needs thinning...also is reported to taste incredible, and make large fruits.

I'm excited to start growing this one!  I have spoke with several other growers in the Manatee county area, who swear that the Dream cherimoya is an excellent cultivar for FL.
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Re: Dream Cherimoya, a variety that fruits in FL ! Introduced by Wayne Clifton
« Reply #20 on: January 15, 2013, 12:09:49 AM »
Sounds good. Are the trees available anywhere?

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Re: Dream Cherimoya, a variety that fruits in FL ! Introduced by Wayne Clifton
« Reply #21 on: January 15, 2013, 12:44:27 AM »
This was discussed last year.  Not sure what happened to the pictures that Adam had posted...

http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=492.0
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Re: Dream Cherimoya, a variety that fruits in FL ! Introduced by Wayne Clifton
« Reply #22 on: January 15, 2013, 08:45:00 PM »
BSBullie,

thanks for helping merge this topic!  Good eye.

Murahilin,

I don't know where to get the trees other than Wayne Clifton.  I've requested the last ones he has this year, but he's making another batch.

If you'd like his information let me know!

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Re: Dream Cherimoya, a variety that fruits in FL ! Introduced by Wayne Clifton
« Reply #23 on: January 15, 2013, 09:53:45 PM »
Where does Wayne live?
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Re: Dream Cherimoya, a variety that fruits in FL ! Introduced by Wayne Clifton
« Reply #24 on: January 15, 2013, 10:10:08 PM »
Where can I get one of these dream cherimoyas??!!
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