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He responded to this thread, send him a PM. Not sure what he has available this year
but the tree I got from him 2 years ago is setting fruit all over the place. I have never
eaten this and can't wait.

Come on man, you can't say something like that and not post at least one picture of this fruit set.  ;) .  Congrats on the Dream fruit set man, it is one heck of a fruit!

I don't have much of anything for sale this year unfortunately due to some rootstock dying unexpectedly on me (damping off) and life/business mostly taking up all of my time otherwise. I'm getting seeds going now for rootstock for Spring 2019, and hope to have lots of annonas available then.

Because I called out achetadomestica on pics, I should probably share one myself. This Dream on cherimoya roots was stepped up from a 7gal to a 15gal pretty recently at the time this pic was taken. Right now it has two fruits set and developing, I'll post some pics tomorrow afternoon sometime.

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So lots of flowers and no fruit set...took advice and didnt hand pollinate.
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I Want a tree if anyone has it for sale

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So lots of flowers and no fruit set...took advice and didnt hand pollinate.

As long as your tree is big enough to hold fruit I'd absolutely start hand pollinating. For me my Dream from Wayne on Dream seedling roots hasn't done great with natural fruit set. That could partially be because I've got it a little crowded with other trees nearby, but a Gefner I've got in similarly crowded conditions definitely sets a higher percentage on its own. Even with varieties that set well on their own, hand pollination is still recommended because you will tend to get more complete pollination which means larger fruit.
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Here's the pictures of the dream I got from Dom.
I counted 14 fruits yesterday and still flowering











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Here's the pictures of the dream I got from Dom.
I counted 14 fruits yesterday and still flowering










That's one beautiful little tree!
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So lots of flowers and no fruit set...took advice and didnt hand pollinate.

As long as your tree is big enough to hold fruit I'd absolutely start hand pollinating. For me my Dream from Wayne on Dream seedling roots hasn't done great with natural fruit set. That could partially be because I've got it a little crowded with other trees nearby, but a Gefner I've got in similarly crowded conditions definitely sets a higher percentage on its own. Even with varieties that set well on their own, hand pollination is still recommended because you will tend to get more complete pollination which means larger fruit.

Ok some more flowers are coming along, so will try...and yeah the tree is plenty big enough.
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Acheta - that is a beautiful tree. I got a Dream from Dom last year. It is growing well. Can't wait till it looks like yours and starts to fruit.

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Thanks Jackson and Johnb51.
Another amazing thing about this tree, it was flattened by Irma.
I can't wait to try the fruit!

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Hello All,,
Just had this yellow fruit in fruit and spice park, it does look like this dream cherimoya/
it must had been 3 to 4 LBS, the tree had no name. or can this be something else ?







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Hello All,,
Just had this yellow fruit in fruit and spice park, it does look like this dream cherimoya/
it must had been 3 to 4 LBS, the tree had no name. or can this be something else ?








That's Annona mucosa, formerly known as Rollinia deliciosa/Rollinia mucosa, AKA Biriba.
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Thanks Jackson and Johnb51.
Another amazing thing about this tree, it was flattened by Irma.
I can't wait to try the fruit!

That is a great looking tree, nice work!
Dom

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Re: Dream Atemoya, a variety that fruits in FL ! Introduced by Wayne Clifton
« Reply #312 on: August 21, 2018, 05:24:08 PM »
Hello fellow members...

I successfully grafted a dream _____ (fill in the blank with atemoya, chirimoya or whatever you see fit) onto a chirimoya rootstock last.... may I wanna say or some time around there...

It's grown quite a bit eventhough it is in a pot and the person who was supposed to take care of it nearly left it to die of thirst while I was taking a trip to the tropical coast of Spain in search for other tropicals to bring back home.

Anyway... I'm very happy with how much it has grown so far.... much less with it's shape and I really don't know how to prune it. It seems it doesn't want to grow in 3 dimensions but only 2, which makes it looks like a peacock's tail...

I'm afraid that any storm that comes by might totally uproot it or break it or twist it down to the trunk.

What do you guys suggest???










« Last Edit: August 21, 2018, 05:32:50 PM by Diospyros »

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Re: Dream Atemoya, a variety that fruits in FL ! Introduced by Wayne Clifton
« Reply #313 on: August 21, 2018, 08:53:20 PM »
After those branches go dormant, the next season's growth will be in the other two directions, from the sides of those branches.

You could have made it three-dimensional already this season by twisting the main trunk a little when it was tender.
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Re: Dream Atemoya, a variety that fruits in FL ! Introduced by Wayne Clifton
« Reply #314 on: November 05, 2018, 06:50:33 PM »
TFF Members,

I followed this very interesting topic from its beginning and became excited to learn that the apparently very cold tolerant Chirimoya/Atemoya cultivar 'DREAM' was being produced by a gentleman in Bradenton.

I had been trying to decide on the best Atemoya for me in Zone 9b which might be a bit cold tolerant.

'Gefner' had seemed a good choice, but then I was alerted to this topic on TFF where the members were excited about 'DREAM' and that it was tolerating temps in the 20s!

So here is an update on 'DREAM's' availbility from WC in Bradenton, whom I contacted to ask about getting one.  The gentleman replied promptly but advised me that he is no longer producing 'DREAM'.

Alas, I seem to have come late to the banquet, as it were.

So . . . .  Does anyone here on TFF know of a source of 'DREAM' grafter onto Atemoya or Chirimoya?

I'm in Tampa so could come pick one up if it weren't too far, say Orlando or Bradenton/Sarasota of closer.

Please PM me if you have grafted plants or know someone who does.  I'd like somethng that's about 3gal size if possible.

ˇPuras Frutas!

Paul M.
Tampa –Zone 9b

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Re: Dream Atemoya, a variety that fruits in FL ! Introduced by Wayne Clifton
« Reply #315 on: November 05, 2018, 07:47:17 PM »
Well, that is shocking!  Did he say why?
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Re: Dream Atemoya, a variety that fruits in FL ! Introduced by Wayne Clifton
« Reply #316 on: November 05, 2018, 09:35:17 PM »
I was told Dream is the same as Arka Sahan Atemoya, is that correct?
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Re: Dream Atemoya, a variety that fruits in FL ! Introduced by Wayne Clifton
« Reply #317 on: November 06, 2018, 08:19:06 AM »
I was told Dream is the same as Arka Sahan Atemoya, is that correct?

There's been a heated debate on this topic and some believe yes and no. I planted a couple seeds
this year and was thinking if the dream is truly a cherimoya like some say then it should have
the same traits as the mother tree? I meant to plant 10 or more but I had allot of seeds going at
once and it didn't happen. If the dream is indeed an atemoya then the seedlings should be more variable?
I have read there are a few people raising them side by side and should have a definitive answer dwon the road

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Re: Dream Atemoya, a variety that fruits in FL ! Introduced by Wayne Clifton
« Reply #318 on: November 06, 2018, 08:37:21 AM »
TFF Members,

I followed this very interesting topic from its beginning and became excited to learn that the apparently very cold tolerant Chirimoya/Atemoya cultivar 'DREAM' was being produced by a gentleman in Bradenton.

I had been trying to decide on the best Atemoya for me in Zone 9b which might be a bit cold tolerant.

'Gefner' had seemed a good choice, but then I was alerted to this topic on TFF where the members were excited about 'DREAM' and that it was tolerating temps in the 20s!

So here is an update on 'DREAM's' availbility from WC in Bradenton, whom I contacted to ask about getting one.  The gentleman replied promptly but advised me that he is no longer producing 'DREAM'.

Alas, I seem to have come late to the banquet, as it were.

So . . . .  Does anyone here on TFF know of a source of 'DREAM' grafter onto Atemoya or Chirimoya?

I'm in Tampa so could come pick one up if it weren't too far, say Orlando or Bradenton/Sarasota of closer.

Please PM me if you have grafted plants or know someone who does.  I'd like somethng that's about 3gal size if possible.

ˇPuras Frutas!

Paul M.
Tampa –Zone 9b

The consensus is that the spring is the best time to graft Annonas. This is late in the year to find dreams, but
Fruitscapes in Pine Island might have them? I would suggest looking for seedling cherimoya/ sugar apples and
buy scions in the Spring and do your own? I had my first dream fruit this year and my second year of fruit from
the Lisa atemoya. What a huge difference in fruit quality. The Lisa atemoya was my favorite fruit I produced this year
in my whole yard. I can't wait to see if the quality changes on the dream next year? I have been told the grafted
atemoyas have a short live span of around 10-12 year which is another reason to graft your own. Also you could send
forum member Vermented from Sarasota a PM, he has mentioned having several types of Atemoyas and is ahead of
most of us in acquiring some of the newest atemoyas and may have dream available in the Spring? 

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Re: Dream Atemoya, a variety that fruits in FL ! Introduced by Wayne Clifton
« Reply #319 on: November 06, 2018, 08:55:38 AM »
I was told Dream is the same as Arka Sahan Atemoya, is that correct?

I know Wayne Clifton very well. I have the Dream origin story corraborated by Wayne and one of my best friends that has been in the tropical fruit societies since the late 1980s.

Dr. Paul Beaver was active in the local Rare Fruit Councils before I started growing. I believe he lived in Tampa and owns/runs Amazon eco tours through this company. https://perujungle.com/

Dr. Beaver supplied some seeds from Peru that Wayne grew out and Wayne ended up grafting the most vigorous seedling to an established in ground Annona.

Here are some pics of my homegrown Dream fruit from this year. No grit, no weird hard areas around the seeds and A++++ flavor.

The fruit tend to be small to medium size here in Florida and it doesn't seem to crop heavily but I haven't seen a tree really heavily pruned, hand pollinated and ideally fertilized and watered either.

I love this fruit.









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Re: Dream Atemoya, a variety that fruits in FL ! Introduced by Wayne Clifton
« Reply #320 on: November 06, 2018, 09:00:20 AM »
I don't have any grafted at the moment. My yard/nursery is going through some renovations and I was going to concentrate on grafting some rarer stuff. They are around though. Good luck!

TFF Members,

I followed this very interesting topic from its beginning and became excited to learn that the apparently very cold tolerant Chirimoya/Atemoya cultivar 'DREAM' was being produced by a gentleman in Bradenton.

I had been trying to decide on the best Atemoya for me in Zone 9b which might be a bit cold tolerant.

'Gefner' had seemed a good choice, but then I was alerted to this topic on TFF where the members were excited about 'DREAM' and that it was tolerating temps in the 20s!

So here is an update on 'DREAM's' availbility from WC in Bradenton, whom I contacted to ask about getting one.  The gentleman replied promptly but advised me that he is no longer producing 'DREAM'.

Alas, I seem to have come late to the banquet, as it were.

So . . . .  Does anyone here on TFF know of a source of 'DREAM' grafter onto Atemoya or Chirimoya?

I'm in Tampa so could come pick one up if it weren't too far, say Orlando or Bradenton/Sarasota of closer.

Please PM me if you have grafted plants or know someone who does.  I'd like somethng that's about 3gal size if possible.

ˇPuras Frutas!

Paul M.
Tampa –Zone 9b

The consensus is that the spring is the best time to graft Annonas. This is late in the year to find dreams, but
Fruitscapes in Pine Island might have them? I would suggest looking for seedling cherimoya/ sugar apples and
buy scions in the Spring and do your own? I had my first dream fruit this year and my second year of fruit from
the Lisa atemoya. What a huge difference in fruit quality. The Lisa atemoya was my favorite fruit I produced this year
in my whole yard. I can't wait to see if the quality changes on the dream next year? I have been told the grafted
atemoyas have a short live span of around 10-12 year which is another reason to graft your own. Also you could send
forum member Vermented from Sarasota a PM, he has mentioned having several types of Atemoyas and is ahead of
most of us in acquiring some of the newest atemoyas and may have dream available in the Spring?
-Josh

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Re: Dream Atemoya, a variety that fruits in FL ! Introduced by Wayne Clifton
« Reply #321 on: November 06, 2018, 10:12:46 AM »
Fruitscapes had a bunch of them earlier this year...

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Re: Dream Atemoya, a variety that fruits in FL ! Introduced by Wayne Clifton
« Reply #322 on: November 06, 2018, 04:07:37 PM »
Solid post Vernmented,

congrats on your fruit...

my trees died with hurricanes and freezes...

i sent scions to Hi and PR, and saw the fruits produced there, and they looked much larger (still medium, but medium large), they get golden shoulders, and have nice symmetrical shape.

everyone seems to love them.

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if you look at pics of both fruits, the Dream is smoother, all the Arkas I've seen have more prominent protuberances.

I was told Dream is the same as Arka Sahan Atemoya, is that correct?

I know Wayne Clifton very well. I have the Dream origin story corraborated by Wayne and one of my best friends that has been in the tropical fruit societies since the late 1980s.

Dr. Paul Beaver was active in the local Rare Fruit Councils before I started growing. I believe he lived in Tampa and owns/runs Amazon eco tours through this company. https://perujungle.com/

Dr. Beaver supplied some seeds from Peru that Wayne grew out and Wayne ended up grafting the most vigorous seedling to an established in ground Annona.

Here are some pics of my homegrown Dream fruit from this year. No grit, no weird hard areas around the seeds and A++++ flavor.

The fruit tend to be small to medium size here in Florida and it doesn't seem to crop heavily but I haven't seen a tree really heavily pruned, hand pollinated and ideally fertilized and watered either.

I love this fruit.






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Re: Dream Atemoya, a variety that fruits in FL ! Introduced by Wayne Clifton
« Reply #323 on: November 06, 2018, 09:07:41 PM »
There are large one in SoCal but I consider them medium size aremoyas




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Re: Dream Atemoya, a variety that fruits in FL ! Introduced by Wayne Clifton
« Reply #324 on: November 06, 2018, 11:43:07 PM »
Frank,

    What variety are those two fruits? Are they Dream atemoya? They look very tasty and great looking fruit to boot.

Vincent.

 

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