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Re: Must have mulberries (looking for new varieties)
« Reply #100 on: April 15, 2015, 02:56:33 PM »
I did some reaearch.

The variety of green mulberry that is "all the rage" in flavor is the "Australian."

It is green/white, tastes like honey dew melon, very large/long berries, and very rare and hard to find.

Of course, I found one and it is in order.  ;)

I believe this is also known as the "White Pakistan" or "King Shatoot" from other reports....seems like there is a ton of mislabeling and renaming in the Mulberry varieties especially from different regions... From the reports I've read, The red Pakistan or "Himalayan", especially LE Cookes Select Pakistan is much better than the Green/White Pakistan...

I'm hunting for the Cookes Pakistan but have only found large size trees locally... Number one on my list is Morus Nigras which are held by many of the Mulberry Gurus as the most explosive in Flavor with incredible sweetness plus acidity to match... Noir De Spain from Whitmans Nursery (I love Lucille) is going to be mine!!!
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Re: Must have mulberries (looking for new varieties)
« Reply #102 on: April 15, 2015, 03:14:36 PM »
Is this what you are looking for, ClayMango?

http://www.logees.com/dwarf-mulberry-dwarf-everbearing-morus-nigra.html

http://www.treesofantiquity.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=277



Morus Nigra...terrible labeling that seems to also cause tremendous confusion....In most cases "I think" Morus Nigra classifies Mulberries into the dark colored Mulberry category such as the Black Persian, Black beauty, and Noir De Spain...all Morus Nigras. The ones you linked dont really fall under the others as they are not dwarfs... Black Persian and Noir De Spain reach up 30-40ft, Black Beauty is the most Dwarfish coming in at 15-20 ft.... but again I believe Morus Nigra is just classifying them as dark Berries....same as Morus Alba's being white.

A link to some of the varietites out there. 
http://www.whitmanfarms.com/category/allplants/edible-plants/mulberries/
« Last Edit: April 15, 2015, 03:16:25 PM by ClayMango »
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Re: Must have mulberries (looking for new varieties)
« Reply #103 on: April 15, 2015, 08:40:55 PM »
Green Pak isn't the same as Green Aussie.

I already had the Pak and when my Aussie arrived they look very different.  Will hopefully get to see the fruit differences within a year from my home grown.  Although I've eaten them from other sources and they both taste very different.
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Re: Must have mulberries (looking for new varieties)
« Reply #104 on: April 15, 2015, 09:06:27 PM »
Green Pak isn't the same as Green Aussie.

I already had the Pak and when my Aussie arrived they look very different.  Will hopefully get to see the fruit differences within a year from my home grown.  Although I've eaten them from other sources and they both taste very different.


Which one tastes better?
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Re: Must have mulberries (looking for new varieties)
« Reply #105 on: April 15, 2015, 09:18:29 PM »
Aussie is better to me, but timing seems to help as tastes were variable.

Rob said they have some at Excal you can try.
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Re: Must have mulberries (looking for new varieties)
« Reply #106 on: April 15, 2015, 10:38:01 PM »
I want to try more variaties,but I just made a mulberry pie from a potted mulberry
label Thai from excaliber. A fast growing tree. It was as good as any I had when I was
a kid in Palm Beach in the 1940s

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Re: Must have mulberries (looking for new varieties)
« Reply #107 on: April 15, 2015, 10:54:00 PM »
I want to try more variaties,but I just made a mulberry pie from a potted mulberry
label Thai from excaliber. A fast growing tree. It was as good as any I had when I was
a kid in Palm Beach in the 1940s

I'm the same way! I have only had the dark colored Pakistan, which had an incredible ultrasweet Rasberry Flavor without the horrible Rasberry seeds... Will definitely be buying an Improved Cookes selection Pakistan from LE Cookes... But I'm stoked about the Noir De Spain I just ordered more than anything... According to some people, they consider the Morus Albas bland or just sweet tasting to some of the Nigras such as Black Persian...well I fell in love with the Morus Alba Pakistan...I can only imagine what Persian or Noir De Spain taste like which is supposedly packed with sweetness and acidity which all the Albas lack.
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Re: Must have mulberries (looking for new varieties)
« Reply #108 on: April 16, 2015, 06:59:22 AM »
are there named varieties of Morus Rubra ?

I have one that showed up in my yard, i thought it was a "trash tree",
 i was going to keep it for shading that side of the house, only to find out
it is a mulberry. I started taking care of it and the fruit started tasting better.

I went to Wall Mart yesterday to see 3 of them in the parking lot
all 3 had ripe fruit. It seems about 1/2 taste  insipid, watery/bland,
but the others seem pretty good, not great, but OK

So now i am not %100 sure mine is the wild local red
as mine havent started to ripen,, and they taste better.
or, not as many insipid berries.

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Re: Must have mulberries (looking for new varieties)
« Reply #109 on: April 16, 2015, 09:56:15 AM »
Fruit grown in pots without the right supplements rarely ever tastes as good as when they're in the ground.

Pretty awesome planting a bird did for you there.  :D
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Re: Must have mulberries (looking for new varieties)
« Reply #110 on: April 16, 2015, 10:43:27 AM »
We have those in Bulgaria too, I hope you can find someone with this type of mulberries.

Bulgarian mulberries.
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Re: Must have mulberries (looking for new varieties)
« Reply #111 on: April 16, 2015, 10:57:04 AM »
We have those in Bulgaria too, I hope you can find someone with this type of mulberries.

Bulgarian mulberries.


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Re: Must have mulberries (looking for new varieties)
« Reply #112 on: April 17, 2015, 04:20:55 AM »
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Re: Must have mulberries (looking for new varieties)
« Reply #113 on: April 17, 2015, 04:38:55 PM »
Where in Bulgaria are you? I once spent a week in Varna. The climate seemed very similar to California. It happened to be cherry season when I was there.

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Re: Must have mulberries (looking for new varieties)
« Reply #114 on: May 19, 2015, 03:35:19 PM »
I recently got a few mulberries from Excalibur, one of them was named "Thai Dwarf" I believe...

I'm very impressed by the tree so far, fruits are large like Tice, but slightly firmer with a nice tart zing, and a delicious sweetness

I'm wondering if this is the right name?

And is the tree everbearing? Or does it make multiple crops?

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Re: Must have mulberries (looking for new varieties)
« Reply #115 on: November 22, 2015, 03:13:33 PM »
getting a nice fall crop on my mulbz...the green mulberry, and tice (and giant, which seems to be same as tice) are all starting to fruit...and now the Himalayan Red is throwing out a few fruit...I hope they fruit again this spring.

maybe this is the way to stimulate them to fruit several times per year...pruning them at the end of summer, or early fall, seems to be the trick.




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Re: Must have mulberries (looking for new varieties)
« Reply #116 on: November 23, 2015, 09:40:14 AM »
getting a nice fall crop on my mulbz...the green mulberry, and tice (and giant, which seems to be same as tice) are all starting to fruit...and now the Himalayan Red is throwing out a few fruit...I hope they fruit again this spring.

maybe this is the way to stimulate them to fruit several times per year...pruning them at the end of summer, or early fall, seems to be the trick.





ive got one fruiting now.
i got the cuttings from someone here i think.
there are at least a dozen fruit on it.
the fruit are smal and black, a bit sweet and tart,
not nearly as complex as a  very ripe fruit from my red.

but, i am guessing since its only 6ft tall
and just started from a cutting in spring, this is not the final size or taste of the fruit.



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Re: Must have mulberries (looking for new varieties)
« Reply #117 on: November 23, 2015, 06:05:18 PM »
but, i am guessing since its only 6ft tall
and just started from a cutting in spring, this is not the final size or taste of the fruit.

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Re: Must have mulberries (looking for new varieties)
« Reply #118 on: November 24, 2015, 10:31:44 PM »
Can these trees be kept small over the years? I've seen quite a few old ones in the valley here (non-fruiting type) that are monstrous and have lifted block walls and sidewalks. I'm planning on get a couple to plant in ground but I'm worried they'll do some damage in the future.

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Re: Must have mulberries (looking for new varieties)
« Reply #119 on: November 25, 2015, 07:53:10 AM »
Can these trees be kept small over the years? I've seen quite a few old ones in the valley here (non-fruiting type) that are monstrous and have lifted block walls and sidewalks. I'm planning on get a couple to plant in ground but I'm worried they'll do some damage in the future.

I seem to have had good luck controlling size by whacking them back hard each year. 
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Re: Must have mulberries (looking for new varieties)
« Reply #120 on: November 25, 2015, 05:10:17 PM »
Can these trees be kept small over the years? I've seen quite a few old ones in the valley here (non-fruiting type) that are monstrous and have lifted block walls and sidewalks. I'm planning on get a couple to plant in ground but I'm worried they'll do some damage in the future.

I seem to have had good luck controlling size by whacking them back hard each year.
Or 4 or more times a year down to 3 ft. :)

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Re: Must have mulberries (looking for new varieties)
« Reply #121 on: November 25, 2015, 05:11:32 PM »
Can these trees be kept small over the years? I've seen quite a few old ones in the valley here (non-fruiting type) that are monstrous and have lifted block walls and sidewalks. I'm planning on get a couple to plant in ground but I'm worried they'll do some damage in the future.

I seem to have had good luck controlling size by whacking them back hard each year.

does that keep their main trunk from getting any girth over the years?

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Re: Must have mulberries (looking for new varieties)
« Reply #122 on: November 25, 2015, 08:47:46 PM »
yeah, and they seem to fruit on new wood.
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Re: Must have mulberries (looking for new varieties)
« Reply #123 on: January 16, 2016, 09:35:53 PM »
it's mid Jan, and I'm still picking Australian (or Green) Mulberries!

also a few on the tice tree.

I didn't realize you can get more than one crop per year.

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Re: Must have mulberries (looking for new varieties)
« Reply #124 on: January 23, 2016, 07:58:43 PM »
The other day, someone gave me some cuttings of an evergreen and everbearing variety, wich produces masses of berries of good size and taste, but I have no idea on the species, and/or variety. I think it's not Morus nigra, as from what I know, they're not evergreen.
Does anyone knows this?
They're very sweet in summer and in winter when there's less sun/heat available, they're a bit less good, but still ok, and great for making jam.
As you can see, the cuttings I'm rooting, are already setting fruit, even the small one (4th pic), that is about 5cm.











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