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Question about Plinia edulis and rivularis
« on: April 19, 2013, 06:52:31 PM »
This is probably for Adam ....do you think it would benefit these 2 to prune them like you do your jaboticabas , opening up the tree so that the sun can reach the trunk and other main braches.
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Re: Question about Plinia edulis and rivularis
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2013, 07:00:34 PM »
This is probably for Adam ....do you think it would benefit these 2 to prune them like you do your jaboticabas , opening up the tree so that the sun can reach the trunk and other main braches.

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Re: Question about Plinia edulis and rivularis
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2013, 07:19:27 PM »
Luc how big is your plinia Rivularis?

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Re: Question about Plinia edulis and rivularis
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2013, 07:36:02 PM »
Luc how big is your plinia Rivularis?

About 60 cm now Ed , it looks like it will grow very wide also , different growing pattern than the Cambuca.
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Re: Question about Plinia edulis and rivularis
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2013, 07:38:43 PM »
This is probably for Adam ....do you think it would benefit these 2 to prune them like you do your jaboticabas , opening up the tree so that the sun can reach the trunk and other main braches.

no

Adam .

NO... like in not a question for Adam or NO ...like in not a good idea .
I understand it is also not your best day after what happened to your grafted plants , I feel with you....
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Re: Question about Plinia edulis and rivularis
« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2013, 07:39:21 PM »
Thanks Luc nice to know. I have 2 small plants that are about 6 cm tall so I have aways to go.

Ed

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Re: Question about Plinia edulis and rivularis
« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2013, 07:42:55 PM »
Thanks Luc nice to know. I have 2 small plants that are about 6 cm tall so I have aways to go.

Ed

They are slow Ed and I have only one left .
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Re: Question about Plinia edulis and rivularis
« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2013, 07:43:37 PM »
I was just trying to keep my answer simple :)

they both fruit near tips of branches...not on the caulis.

so never prune them...like m vexator, m glazioviana, m strigipes, and a few others...m tenella, m floribunda, m nana...and on and on...

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Re: Question about Plinia edulis and rivularis
« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2013, 07:45:36 PM »
Yes very slow! Wished I had a few more plants just for back ups!

Ed

Thanks Luc nice to know. I have 2 small plants that are about 6 cm tall so I have aways to go.

Ed

They are slow Ed and I have only one left .

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Re: Question about Plinia edulis and rivularis
« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2013, 07:50:28 PM »
take me to the rivularis...drop me in the water...

i have one that barely hung on...almost died from city water OD...now starting to recover.

In glaring contrast, I have another that's a real stud...growing like a champ, but only 8-10 inch tall.

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Re: Question about Plinia edulis and rivularis
« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2013, 08:16:31 PM »
Luc which one is slower at growing plinia Rivularis or eugenia matossi? I've heard matossi is extremely slow grower!

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Thanks Luc nice to know. I have 2 small plants that are about 6 cm tall so I have aways to go.

Ed

They are slow Ed and I have only one left .

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Re: Question about Plinia edulis and rivularis
« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2013, 08:55:49 PM »
I had 3 Cambuca , One in full sun doing great , another mostly in shade is half the size , the 3 rd was also in shade , dug it up to plant in the new lot and died...
Cambuca was slow in the beginning and really speeded up when put in the ground in full sun with lots of water .
On the rivularis in full sun I put drip irrigation , doing very well .

Ed , yes the mattosii is slow and I am really disappointed this year , I had hundreds of flowers and just a few fruits . I cleared some trees around it to give it more sun and I think that was wrong
I remember now when I collected the fruit the bush was growing in almost full shade . Also the fruits are smaller than last year when it was in a lot more shade .
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Re: Question about Plinia edulis and rivularis
« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2013, 09:10:43 PM »
Oh well maybe one day I will get to try a plinia Rivularis and eugenia mattosii before I get to old! Ha ha!

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Re: Question about Plinia edulis and rivularis
« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2013, 09:28:29 PM »
I was just trying to keep my answer simple :)

they both fruit near tips of branches...not on the caulis.

so never prune them...like m vexator, m glazioviana, m strigipes, and a few others...m tenella, m floribunda, m nana...and on and on...

Adam , looking at pics of a flowering Cambuca ( Brazilian Fruits & Cultivated Exotics page 233 ) they do flower on the caulis !!!

Oscar , you have them fruiting .....lets hear from you .
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Re: Question about Plinia edulis and rivularis
« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2013, 10:08:56 PM »
Luc,

they will flower on medium sized branches, all the way to small branches...but not on the caulis...the main stem of the plant.  If so, it would be a rare occurrence.

I was just trying to keep my answer simple :)

they both fruit near tips of branches...not on the caulis.

so never prune them...like m vexator, m glazioviana, m strigipes, and a few others...m tenella, m floribunda, m nana...and on and on...

Adam , looking at pics of a flowering Cambuca ( Brazilian Fruits & Cultivated Exotics page 233 ) they do flower on the caulis !!!

Oscar , you have them fruiting .....lets hear from you .

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Re: Question about Plinia edulis and rivularis
« Reply #15 on: April 19, 2013, 10:25:47 PM »
sorry luc..
I meant to say they fruit on the caulis, but not on the main trunk, like other species...m cauliflora and m jaboticaba...that fruit down to the soil.

plinia edulis fruits on very small branches.   so don't prune it..same with rivularis.

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Re: Question about Plinia edulis and rivularis
« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2013, 11:00:10 PM »
I was just trying to keep my answer simple :)

they both fruit near tips of branches...not on the caulis.

so never prune them...like m vexator, m glazioviana, m strigipes, and a few others...m tenella, m floribunda, m nana...and on and on...

Adam , looking at pics of a flowering Cambuca ( Brazilian Fruits & Cultivated Exotics page 233 ) they do flower on the caulis !!!

Oscar , you have them fruiting .....lets hear from you .

Yes cambuca is cauliflorous, but doesn't fruit on main trunk, only on branches, both large and small.
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Re: Question about Plinia edulis and rivularis
« Reply #17 on: April 19, 2013, 11:32:03 PM »
With the discussion of these slow growers, I was wondering which Plinias/Myrciarias are most sensitive to city water (high pH, dissolved salts, etc.)?  Here in the desert wastes of Southern California we get so little rain that storing enough rainwater to last very long isn't highly feasible.  We don't even have gutters on our house, if I wanted to try capturing some of our rain.

Adam, can you speak to which species really need rainwater/treated water to make it?
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Re: Question about Plinia edulis and rivularis
« Reply #18 on: April 19, 2013, 11:39:52 PM »
With the discussion of these slow growers, I was wondering which Plinias/Myrciarias are most sensitive to city water (high pH, dissolved salts, etc.)?  Here in the desert wastes of Southern California we get so little rain that storing enough rainwater to last very long isn't highly feasible.  We don't even have gutters on our house, if I wanted to try capturing some of our rain.

Adam, can you speak to which species really need rainwater/treated water to make it?

a general rule of thumb, if the species or variety is rare in USA, its probably moderately to highly sensitive.  Although there's always an exception to the rule.

sorry I can't list all the species.
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Re: Question about Plinia edulis and rivularis
« Reply #19 on: April 20, 2013, 12:55:09 AM »
I have a couple plinia rivularis and one of them is growing quite well.  Maybe, six inches tall now.  They like rain water every day and lots or organic matter. I am feeding them some cotton seeds meal.  Jabuticabas and all plinias love this stuff. Cotton seed meal in a feeding store near you....go get it! Excellent stuff! 8)

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Re: Question about Plinia edulis and rivularis
« Reply #20 on: April 20, 2013, 03:25:57 PM »
Plinia rivularis

Cambuca

Could these be flowers or wishful thinking..

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Re: Question about Plinia edulis and rivularis
« Reply #21 on: April 20, 2013, 04:51:52 PM »
Very nice looking plants Luc! Not sure about your buds. They look a little different from the new leaf buds that I have seen on cambucas. I haven't seen flower blooms yet. So maybe a possibility for you but I'm not positive.

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Re: Question about Plinia edulis and rivularis
« Reply #22 on: April 20, 2013, 05:15:03 PM »
Flower buds on cambuca don't look like that. They are right on the branch, not on the nodes.

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Re: Question about Plinia edulis and rivularis
« Reply #23 on: April 20, 2013, 06:23:32 PM »
Flower buds on cambuca don't look like that. They are right on the branch, not on the nodes.



Thank you Oscar , I just made 500 pesos betting they were NOT flowers .
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Re: Question about Plinia edulis and rivularis
« Reply #24 on: January 29, 2015, 06:24:33 PM »
Plinia rivularis

Cambuca

Could these be flowers or wishful thinking..



Wow looking at my 2013 pics again , those Plinias have doubled in size in less than 2 years , water water and more water....
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Re: Question about Plinia edulis and rivularis
« Reply #25 on: January 29, 2015, 06:53:07 PM »
One of side benefits of posting photos here is that it becomes a good personal record of what happened with your trees.
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Re: Question about Plinia edulis and rivularis
« Reply #26 on: January 30, 2015, 05:27:17 PM »
Very true Oscar , I forgot I posted these and was just searching the group for Plinia rivularis .
I guess nobody knows how long these will take to fruit .
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Re: Question about Plinia edulis and rivularis
« Reply #27 on: January 30, 2015, 07:05:23 PM »
Very true Oscar , I forgot I posted these and was just searching the group for Plinia rivularis .
I guess nobody knows how long these will take to fruit .

I thought best case is about 6-7 yrs from seed...worst case, the jabuticabeira judges could give you a 9-12 year sentence.

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Re: Question about Plinia edulis and rivularis
« Reply #28 on: January 12, 2016, 06:27:43 PM »
So after another year, how are your Plinias doing Luc?

Hoping to get seed from you soon. ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Question about Plinia edulis and rivularis
« Reply #29 on: January 13, 2016, 07:58:31 PM »
I just did a severe pruning on my now close to 4 meters cambuca , the Adam way ....to open the tree and let more sunlight reaching the branches , looks good , maybe I'll have some flowers later .
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Re: Question about Plinia edulis and rivularis
« Reply #30 on: January 13, 2016, 08:00:45 PM »
I just did a severe pruning on my now close to 4 meters cambuca , the Adam way ....to open the tree and let more sunlight reaching the branches , looks good , maybe I'll have some flowers later .

how about the rivularis?

has the trunk of your tree started to exfoliate yet?  how tall amigo?

 

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