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anyone growing Myrciaria dubia? camu camu
« on: March 03, 2012, 01:47:32 AM »
HI

I'm growing this one,  and Chlorine water is like roundup on these guys!

Once they get cholorotic at a young age its hard to reverse.

I know whitman fruited one, and discarded it for making loads of acidic fruit...too bad he never had fresh miracle fruit or even frozen m.f. and served the two together (maybe he did, but I don't know).

I'm curious why he tossed the tree and didn't utilize it in conjunction with miraculin...which he had ample supply of.


Anyone growing this?

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Re: anyone growing Myrciaria dubia? camu camu
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2012, 03:53:33 AM »
I have several smaller trees but they are not thriving and replanting is a nightmare, and I have lost a few on that account. My problems is to get the right soil-mix; it is a subject we also discussed on the yahoo group.
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Re: anyone growing Myrciaria dubia? camu camu
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2012, 05:52:47 AM »
Likes low pH. Mix in lots of peat and keep it moist at all times. Resistant to flooding, so good to plant it in a low spot.
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Re: anyone growing Myrciaria dubia? camu camu
« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2012, 07:04:47 AM »
Not worth growing IMO. It is more then just acidic. I do not think miracle fruit would make it palatable. The fruit is only nice processed (cooked) with lots of sugar...

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Re: anyone growing Myrciaria dubia? camu camu
« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2012, 12:57:15 PM »
Not worth growing IMO. It is more then just acidic. I do not think miracle fruit would make it palatable. The fruit is only nice processed (cooked) with lots of sugar...

It will work, it effects asorbic acid, along with most any other acid.

It will taste sweet with no sugar.  The more sour, the more sweet it will taste.

I grow mine in acid mix like peat and coffee, but still chlorine in water is enough to hurt them horribly.

I should have let the water sit out before applying to plants, or added vinegar...or a mister at the end of my hose to dissipate the Chlorine.

I hope they live!

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Re: anyone growing Myrciaria dubia? camu camu
« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2012, 01:31:07 PM »

I add Camu-Camu once and and it was pretty awful.

Anikulapo, have you tried miracle fruit with Psidium acutangulum?
They are delicious juiced, but I need to add quite a bit of sugar...
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Re: anyone growing Myrciaria dubia? camu camu
« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2012, 01:44:47 PM »

I add Camu-Camu once and and it was pretty awful.

Anikulapo, have you tried miracle fruit with Psidium acutangulum?
They are delicious juiced, but I need to add quite a bit of sugar...

No,  I have never even had P acutangulum.

but of all the crazy fruits i have tried tamarind is the only acid fruit that it doesn't quite sweeten.

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« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2012, 02:04:52 PM »
Hi,

Do you want a few seeds of P. acutangulum?
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Re: anyone growing Myrciaria dubia? camu camu
« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2012, 04:01:16 PM »
quite generous of you!  I will pass, on almost all Psidium sp., except a few special ones.

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« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2012, 05:17:36 PM »

OK.

Which special Psidiums are you talking about?
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Re: anyone growing Myrciaria dubia? camu camu
« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2012, 05:49:22 PM »

OK.

Which special Psidiums are you talking about?

Oh its all a matter of personal preference.  I don't even have a list of ones I'd like, I'm sure there are over 20 I'd like to grow. If you find a rare one from africa/asia/south america, or some other far off place, let me know.  I may want to trade or purchase from you.

PS.  Oscar, before you correct me ;D ;), I know psidium is not indigenous to Africa Asia, etc. but they have been naturalized there, and varieties may exist there that aren't found elsewhere.
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Re: anyone growing Myrciaria dubia? camu camu
« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2012, 09:34:09 PM »


but of all the crazy fruits i have tried tamarind is the only acid fruit that it doesn't quite sweeten.

Miracle fruit doesn't work on bilimbi either.
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Re: anyone growing Myrciaria dubia? camu camu
« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2012, 09:40:03 PM »


but of all the crazy fruits i have tried tamarind is the only acid fruit that it doesn't quite sweeten.

Miracle fruit doesn't work on bilimbi either.
Oscar

it did for me, I loved it!

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Re: anyone growing Myrciaria dubia? camu camu
« Reply #13 on: March 04, 2012, 09:06:12 PM »
I know someone in Brazil who mixes camu camu in the blender with other fruits. He says it's great.

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Re: anyone growing Myrciaria dubia? camu camu
« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2012, 12:33:38 AM »
Likes low pH. Mix in lots of peat and keep it moist at all times. Resistant to flooding, so good to plant it in a low spot.
Oscar

I have tried with a sandy peat mix ("acid hammock sand soil") and with plenty of water of course; but as others from the yahoo group cultivating it I would not call it successful. Slow growing and high die off when replanting / transplanting - how are yours doing?
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Re: anyone growing Myrciaria dubia? camu camu
« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2012, 12:39:40 AM »
Likes low pH. Mix in lots of peat and keep it moist at all times. Resistant to flooding, so good to plant it in a low spot.
Oscar

I have tried with a sandy peat mix ("acid hammock sand soil") and with plenty of water of course; but as others from the yahoo group cultivating it I would not call it successful. Slow growing and high die off when replanting / transplanting - how are yours doing?

I killed mine, but was my fault, planted it in a terrible spot and then totally neglected it. Report me to the plant abuse hotline!  :'(
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Re: anyone growing Myrciaria dubia? camu camu
« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2012, 11:44:03 PM »
Camu Camu taste is great as is!  Let your face totally pucker up eating the first two or three, then you can eat another 50 without further objection to the acid, and able to enjoy the great flavor.  Best when swimming in the Rio Negro, bobbing for the floating fruits.

I have seen pictures of a terra firme tree type camu camu, which I am not familiar with. 

Most camu camu grow in very acidic conditions, well below 5 pH, where they are high and dry in blazing light  on a white beach part of the year, and the top is several meters under water for a month or more at the other extreme of the year.  Perhaps these conditions could be reproduced in a fine display at The Land at Epcot Center of Disney.

The home grower here might need to buy distilled water, and then soak dry leaves in the water for several weeks to provide blackened tannic water.
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Re: anyone growing Myrciaria dubia? camu camu
« Reply #17 on: March 07, 2012, 03:23:23 AM »
There's some happy camu camu trees growing here at experimental station, no white sandy beach, no tannic water, no periodic water submerging, but yes very high rainfall.
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Re: anyone growing Myrciaria dubia? camu camu
« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2012, 11:46:24 AM »
my five seedling M. dubia are hanging on.

and I hate to admit it, but this new synthetic drench I have is working wonders on my plants already.

It must be very strong..and helpful for lowering ph.  After reading the bottle of product I'm using, I realized its not only a chelated Fe and Mn drench, but it also has sulfur that lowers ph considerably.




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Re: anyone growing Myrciaria dubia? camu camu
« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2012, 12:09:49 PM »
HI

I'm growing this one,  and Chlorine water is like roundup on these guys!

Once they get cholorotic at a young age its hard to reverse.

I know whitman fruited one, and discarded it for making loads of acidic fruit...too bad he never had fresh miracle fruit or even frozen m.f. and served the two together (maybe he did, but I don't know).

I'm curious why he tossed the tree and didn't utilize it in conjunction with miraculin...which he had ample supply of.


Anyone growing this?

Have one un the ground for 7 - 8 years now , flowered ( 2 - 3 flowers ) last year no fruit set . Doing OK but not like the other Eugenias . 3 more seedlings are fine with lots of coffee grounds.
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Re: anyone growing Myrciaria dubia? camu camu
« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2012, 03:41:32 PM »
When doing some research on Camu-Camu I ran into the commercial site describing what they were doing.  It seems like the Camu-Camu seedlings may actually be fully submerged for four months.  Here's the link:

http://www.amazonherb.com/Zamu_Growing_Camu.aspx

Adam, I mentioned to you the air conditioning integrated condensation (rain) barrel.  I get about 5 to 10 gallons of clean water every day my A/C runs here in Florida.  I'm thinking you could use this system to keep the plant flooded for the summer.  Maybe add some aquarium or pond fertilizer each month.

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« Reply #22 on: October 03, 2012, 04:32:39 PM »
Marko interesting that you mentioned collecting the water that condensates from an AC unit. I have been collecting that water and I can definitely see the difference from the city water in the plants. I wish I could collect more. The plants that I was doing the test it is definitely greener and shown significant growth compare the others. Nice tip!!!

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« Reply #23 on: October 03, 2012, 07:05:57 PM »
I am making second attempt to grow camu camu. First time i planted it in raised bed, and that was a mistake. This time will plant in low spot, where it easily gets flooded when it rains. Also will plant in full on peat moss. They like super low pH soil. There are fruiting trees at our local experimental station, so it's not a hard one to grow given right conditions.
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Re: anyone growing Myrciaria dubia? camu camu
« Reply #24 on: October 03, 2012, 10:12:17 PM »
Hi, maybe I will have camu camu seeds in some weeks.

About the " air conditioning integrated condensation (rain) barrel", a great idea, I would do it in the summer, but

does it has some toxics? or is it 100% clean?

 

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