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Annona dioica
« on: June 16, 2013, 09:59:13 AM »
can anyone confirm this plants ID?

It reminds me of A. senegalensis...it's supposed to be Annona dioica, but I've never heard of that.

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Re: Annona dioce
« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2013, 11:00:03 AM »
You mean Annona dioica.  It looks right, per other pictures and drawings that I have seen.
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Re: Annona dioce
« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2013, 11:19:05 AM »
yes!  thanks for the correction Har!

I have an extra seedling for you if you want one.
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Re: Annona dioica
« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2013, 11:40:13 AM »
Yes, pretty please!
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Re: Annona dioica
« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2013, 11:47:02 AM »
That's are orange flesh annona correct? It looks beautiful, good luck!
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Re: Annona dioica
« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2013, 12:35:56 PM »
Reminds me of a young jack fruit plant. The shiny glossy thick dark green leaves. Does it have thicker leaves than other annonas, sure seems like it?

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Re: Annona dioica
« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2013, 01:01:53 PM »
I agree..foliage is real nice on this...probably make a good looking specimen plant...

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Re: Annona dioica
« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2013, 02:35:18 PM »
Yes, pretty please!

Ok Har...u got it...I'm glad you want one.

I sort of had low expectations for this species, because I thought it would be hard to grow...and I've never heard of it.

But it turns out that this tree is very easy to grow...and very rugged.  Handles transplant shock very well, handles drought, likes full sun, even when small...and wasn't sensitive to frost or city water!

I'd like to learn more about the fruit quality, and this trees max height, and it's native habitat.

seems like it might be a small plant? less than 10ft max?

Thao, the leaves are fuzzy when young and mature, and they're very thick.
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Re: Annona dioica
« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2013, 03:05:07 PM »
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5255/5474384496_40ddd2efd1.jpg

Wow!  I found a picture of the plant!  It is small!!!

Reminds me of annona cornifolia...with huge leaves!

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Re: Annona dioica
« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2013, 03:41:42 PM »
Hello Adam

I believe this is the one that Helton calls Annona tomentosa- "Araticum de moita".

If you search on Helton web page you can see a picture of the fruit, and on his book "Colecionando frutas Vol.1" Helton talks about this species and even says there that the name Annona dioica is a synonymy for this species.

I also have one on my GH planted on the ground... this one is a bushy annona, not a tree... mine has 5 or 6 years now and no more than 1,5 meters... it flowered last year for the first time but no fruit yet... just one flower though... this year I don't see any flowers yet...


     

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Re: Annona dioica
« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2013, 03:48:02 PM »
Thanks for the great info Miguel!

http://www.bananasraras.org/tomentosaengl.htm

sounds like a winner!
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Re: Annona dioica
« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2013, 04:15:01 PM »



Hi Adam,
Is this the same plant?  You gave me this one when I got the red jabo and red sugar apple from you.

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Re: Annona dioica
« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2013, 04:52:12 PM »
Yep...that's the one.  At the time I knew it was rare, but didn't realize how neat this species was until today.

I'm glad you reminded me that I gave you one.  I've tried to spread them around...you got one of the last ones.  OrganicJim got the other.  I hope u guys keep me posted on the plants progress.


It really seems to like full sun...and good drainage.  Very easy to grow so far.  I bet zone pushers can easily grow this in a pot.
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Re: Annona dioica
« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2013, 05:16:47 PM »
The fruit is said to be very large--- often resting on the ground--- and excellent quality.  Subtropical scrubland habitat.

This is the first I've heard of synonymy with A. tomentosa.
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Re: Annona dioica
« Reply #14 on: June 16, 2013, 05:23:33 PM »
I have just planted seeds of A.dioica myself from 2 sources and the seeds looked a little different from each other.

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Re: Annona dioica
« Reply #15 on: June 17, 2013, 02:35:16 AM »
The fruit is said to be very large--- often resting on the ground--- and excellent quality.  Subtropical scrubland habitat.

This is the first I've heard of synonymy with A. tomentosa.

Officially tomentosa and dioica are 2 different species, not synonyms. Either Helton is mistaken or he knows something we don't?
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Re: Annona dioica
« Reply #16 on: June 17, 2013, 04:46:44 PM »
The fruit is said to be very large--- often resting on the ground--- and excellent quality.  Subtropical scrubland habitat.

This is the first I've heard of synonymy with A. tomentosa.

Officially tomentosa and dioica are 2 different species, not synonyms. Either Helton is mistaken or he knows something we don't?

Hello Oscar

I went to see exactly what Helton wrote on his book about this subject...

The exact words of Helton were : "Eu considero essa espécie uma sinonimia de Annona dioica"...  so in English: " I consider this species a synonymy of Annona dioica"

In the book text context Helton puts this observation not as anything truly scientific but just as his personal opinion... and then he justifies his opinion saying that when the botanist "August de Saint-Hilaire" classified this species as "Annona dioica" back in 1820 he just did that because he found plants with fruits and other with none on the same season, so he considered that there should be separate male and female plants... just to clarify, in Portuguese "dioica" means "dioecious"...

Helton later justifies this differences in fruiting by the presence or absence of a particular species of beetle bugs (besouros escarabideos) responsible for the polinization of the flowers...

So apparently there's no scientific background on this observation of Helton... but I also think he his right!... but of course I accept other opinions on this subject...


Just two final thoughts on this subject to all others following this:

1) Being a bushy annona it would be interesting to see if this is one is graft compatible with cherimoya or other more tree like root-stock and see the habit/aspect of the resulting grated tree... probably Adam is the correct person to in-light us all on this...

2) how about if we start a race/contest to see who's the first one to fruit this one outside Brazil?... I seem to have some years ahead of advantage but I also  have the latitude handicap on my side...



 
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Re: Annona dioica
« Reply #17 on: June 17, 2013, 05:14:21 PM »
Thanks for the detailed excellent info as usual Miguel.

I like your idea for the race, but let me propose an additional challlenge...

let's see who can graft this species first...to a rootstock other than itself.

I bet soursop, pond apple, atemoya, or cherimoya would work.  I was surprised to see that annona cornifolia (which has flowers, foliage, and growth habit like A. dioica) would easily graft to atemoya. 

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« Reply #18 on: June 18, 2013, 05:15:47 PM »
Hello Adam,

Don't want to disappoint you but I think that can probably be already done because this past April I've send scions of mine to a friend at Málaga/Spain who is a master grafter... he signed in here at the forum some days ago with the nickname "Tropimalaga"... maybe he can inlight us on his experience and results:

Tropimalaga are you there?... are you following this discussion?... did you manage to successfully graft the scions of A. tomentosa that I send you before?....which root-stocks did you use?... do you have any results already or is it still to soon to tell?

Unfortunately my grafting skills are on it's infancy but I will try it ASAP...

But Adam your experiences, comments and results on these graft attempts are always welcome. Go for it and good luck!

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Re: Annona dioica
« Reply #19 on: June 18, 2013, 05:38:26 PM »
Miguel,

thanks for the info, that's great news!

no disappointment here!

maybe I will try to graft a few onto atemoya, custard apple, cherimoya, or soursop.

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« Reply #20 on: June 18, 2013, 11:25:48 PM »
Wow Adam, sounds like you found a interesting plant please keep us posted on your work with this cultivar! :)

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Re: Annona dioica
« Reply #21 on: June 25, 2013, 05:52:36 PM »
look how the new growth emerges!  The leaf is sealed...concealing the very tip of the stem.  I've never seen an annona do this.

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Re: Annona dioica
« Reply #22 on: June 28, 2013, 11:16:46 PM »
Wow those are some big leaves Adam, nice healthy plant looking gooood! 8)

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Re: Annona dioica
« Reply #23 on: September 02, 2013, 11:29:50 AM »
Please, where I can buy these seeds?  ???
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Re: Annona dioica
« Reply #24 on: September 02, 2013, 01:43:52 PM »
This is one of my unknown annona looks like what you have  ID here .Please tell me what you think so my plant can have a name not just be a number.



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