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-'Dream' atemoya
-Lemon Guava

None of these will survive 22 degrees. Most of them will not survive 30 degrees. Not sure on the others as I have not tried them myself. I dont think almonds particularly like cold weather either.

Curious why pecans wont do well, the temperature is perfect on the cold side. I know the groves in GA regularly get down to the lower 20s and teens. I lived in GA for a time near the groves areas. Is it the lack of 90+ degree weather?

Pecans might be interesting to try. Arent there some avocados that survive that low in temp? Paw Paws. There are lots of apples, peaches and plums that will work for you. In my opinion you are in a much more ideal temp zone than I am in 9b Florida where we have the worst of all conditions, too cold for tropicals, too hot for sub tropicals, and all the disease and bugs of both.

Just to tag along, right there with you in a slightly cooler 9b. I have some recently acquired land I want to put fruit trees on and paw paws are high on the list.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Kei apple cold tolerance
« on: September 21, 2023, 01:42:09 PM »
I started two from seeds back in 2013 or so. One is about 4 foot and the other is 7 feet tall, they are about four feet from each other. In my experience, it doesnt care about cold in Florida 9b. But it neither of mine have flowered either. I would have pulled them long ago but they are in a corner of my yard I dont really care about so I let them do their slow thing.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Thief Caught
« on: September 14, 2023, 09:01:56 AM »
We had fruit thief issues here while I was deployed. Some big dude with a machete picked all my citrus and star fruit trees clean and then knocked on the door to be answered by my wife. He said he hoped we didnt mind him taking the fruit. She replied that yeah she minded but its a little late now. He then cussed her out and she slammed the door. We keep a shotgun by the door now. She was also severely suffering from a migraine and wasnt thinking straight.

Nicks Edibles over in St Cloud has some at very good prices.

I went walking through my new property last night and discovered some more clear areas in the palmetto under oaks I hadnt noticed before. Next year I might give some more varieties of citrus a try. Always happy to try a new mandarin flavor and while I personally do not care for grapefruit, they do turn into really nice big trees that would look good under the oaks. Dont know what a sun dragon is but it has a cool name.

I have no clue what variety of jujube I have is. It does have thorns and the fruit is about  the size of 2/3 of my thumb. Yeah it tastes like a super grainy and dry apple. 

Citrus General Discussion / Re: CLM & Citrus Canker
« on: August 01, 2023, 10:20:21 AM »
What can be used to control CLM? In FL Neem and other oils are a No-Go since we tend to hit 85 in early spring and doesnt cool down until late November.

Jujube? In winter? Its a deciduous tree or it is in 9b. Loses its leaves in fall and is fairly unattractive, the fruit is kind of meh anyway. Irish Strawberry isnt specifically winter ripening and ripens throughout the year. Citrus of course but has its own issues and if you dont have oaks, dont bother.

My favorite cactus is my Peruvian apple cactus that I took a 1 foot cutting out of someones garbage in the tampa area while I was visiting. In one years time, it is over 6 feet and with many offshoots. Im hoping for some fruits this year

I have one in a pot that is about 2' tall. I have had it since last fall and it hasnt grown at all. It does have a single what I think will be a bloom on it. I am clearing a bit of a glade in my new property and am planning on putting it there in ground over the winter when I can get some heavy work done in more than 15 minute efforts due to the heat.

That was the idea, plus supposedly the psillids do not like oak trees. Ill give it a bit, not using the land for anything else and once established I will only have to fertilize every so often so no real work involved although right now I am lugging 5 gallon buckets of water over there to make sure they get started well.

Just some background, I have recently picked up an adjacent plot of land which has a large section covered in oaks with some fairly decent open areas under them hidden behind an outer layer of palmetto and I didnt even have to clear it. About six months ago I planted a Ponderosa lemon in the greyish sand there. Grey sand seems to be formed in areas of current or former heavy palmetto growth and is also the reason we cant grow figs thanks to a nasty nematode infestation. On the outskirts still under the canopy, about 2 years ago, I planted a blood orange and a tangerine of some kind and mulched them with oak leaves from the neighbor. I fertilize them sporadically. So far, so good. I havent noticed even any leaf miners like I have on my other citrus elsewhere in my yard who are in full sun for the most part. Leaves on the three are much greener and the growth and bushiness is much thicker. After I move some logs and drive my mower through to knock down some of the stickers and wild grape I am going to plant a red naval orange, a Persian lime and a Centennial kumquat that is hurting in a pot I have it in now. Given the success so far, I will likely start fertilizing more often using the fertilizer listed higher in this thread and doing some fish emulsion leaf spraying which is always highly recommended for citrus.

Mostly this is to continue my experiment on the whole oak protection thing. Not sure if I will expand the citrus aspect of my grove past that point as I have other trees and such I am working on. Maybe a key lime if it looks like there is space to test the micro-climate aspect of the under-canopy.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Spice trees
« on: June 06, 2023, 07:40:55 AM »
All-spice is a great tree. Very slow grower, will survive short freezes. Deer will rub their antlers on it. I have mine in the shade under oak trees. One is a tiny bush from the deer, the other I fenced off and is about 8 foot tall and produces fruit.

Aside from a freak shower here and there its almost a standard dry season for us in Central Florida. Mangos are developing correctly and should be ripe soon. Typical light winter and spring. Still in the 80s, hopefully that continues.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Show Your Loquat Fruits - 2023
« on: April 18, 2023, 11:34:41 AM »
Mine that fruited did their thing back in late Feb, early March and are long gone now. Crazy to be hearing about loquats in mid April. Ripe mango season is coming up soon.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Blame the rain on me
« on: April 17, 2023, 10:03:17 AM »
Meanwhile, I'm in east Orange county and we have barely gotten a drop, most of which evaporates as soon as it hits the hot ground.

Supposedly if you grow a citrus under an oak canopy with oak leaf mulch you are more likely to have less problems. I am experimenting with this currently in a neighboring wooded lot. I know I see a lot of citrus in pine farms under the canopy and they appear from the road to be doing quite well.

You guys are odd. I am 9b, in east Orlando, we get at least one freeze and several frosts a year and it is disastrous every time.  The last one we had in March nuked almost all fruit production on all of my trees for the year and my mangos never recovered fully. This one strikes early where most trees that do it havent even went dormant yet while my mangos are pushing new growth. My Friday is going to suck.

31 degrees as of one forecast on Friday night. National weather apparently has a tendril of hard freeze going right over my house in 9b. Supposedly freezing Christmas night as well. Even better since we are driving long distance on Saturday. I have incandescent christmas lights on all my mango trees. I will cover them on Friday night and put a heat lamp under one of them if I can find a bulb. Anything potted that cares will go in the garage for a few days. My figs(nor anything else) are not dormant so I might have to lug them in as well, in their giant pots. Glad I havent started planting my food forest yet, nothing would have had time to get established. Saturday night, everything will have to hope for the best although I will leave various trunks wrapped.

Its Fall, unless you are in south Florida they will lose their leaves and come back in Spring. It just doesnt do the pretty fall colors like most Northern trees that do this since our Fall doesnt seem very well defined.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Evil weevils
« on: December 06, 2022, 07:53:44 AM »
I use Andora(something) root drench, I believe its some sort of imaclorid. If I see them I mix some in a five gallon bucket and dump it all around the roots of the tree. Then I dont see any for awhile. The worst I see them is on my Lemon Zest mango and on my Brogden avocado. They ignore my other varieties. They were pretty heavy on my key lime as well but its gone now, that last cold snap last year finished it off. I also remove any I see by hand. Shake a branch and their natural reaction is to drop off and they are easy to pick up. If its day time I throw them in the canal and the bream will eat them, if at night I squish them on pavement. This seems to keep them at bay.

Note, defoliating a tree isnt just cosmetic, I have learned from experience dealing with snakehead caterpillars that it will absolutely stunt the growth and hurt the health of the tree.

A number of citrus should survive for you. Kumquat, Satsuma mandarin, and Calamondin to mention a few. Mulberries, Chinese by Jujube, sugarcane, and Cherry of the Rio Grande are some others that might work. Its not a fruit, but I think pecan might grow well for you if you could keep it well watered. If I were in Greece, I would also be growing grapes.

I would say no to Cherry of Rio Grande unless its potted. For me when the temp drops to the low 30s it will die back to the roots and is stupidly slow to grow back, as in years.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Central Florida Food Forest planning ideas
« on: November 30, 2022, 10:23:33 AM »
I take range things with a grain of salt and believe much of it is just in general. I have never gone looking for trees in the woods and if mosquitoes werent so bad right now I might go off into the nearby swamps and pine scrub looking for native pawpaws. I know from experience fauna typically doesnt like to stay in defined ranges humans have made for them, provided their needs are met even if its a small area. Copperhead snakes for example are not "supposed" to be below Gainesville which is about an hour north of me as a crow flies, longer by road. I have found two in the last 8 years within 100feet of a horse farm stable down the street. If I would have known beforehand that this was out of range I would have taken pics and sent them in to the DNR. The farm has since been pretty much abandoned, so their ample rat food source likely left for greener pastures and I havent seen them since, plenty of cool ring necks, rat snakes, corals, black racers out the yin yang, and even one of those rare king snakes. Quite sure when I dig into the palm stand I will find rattlesnakes as well.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Central Florida Food Forest planning ideas
« on: November 28, 2022, 09:38:33 AM »
It's not a perfectly ideal mulch solution, but if O-town's landfill doesn't, the Melbourne (Fl) landfill will give you all the free mulch you can take and isn't that far from you. You'd just want to find access to a dump trailer to make the hour drive worth it.
I've had the same experience with Chipdrop. Going on nothing for a year and a half.  I even stopped and told the Asplund guy when they were in the neighborhood. He pulled out his phone and said "ok, I see you here. The next load's coming your way." -- That was 6 months ago, so I expect it to be a big load  ;)

... And thanks to whoever shared the fruitgeek link. Another fruit blog to obsessively read, just what I needed.
Good ideas, I am not sure if the Orlando dump is making mulch yet. As a crow flies, its literally about 3 miles from me, but by vehicle its closer to 25 minutes with tolls lol.

I actually had a Spanish speaking coworker translate the entire process of talking to tree workers about getting the mulch dropped at my house complete with address and such and keep it on a piece of paper in my glove compartment just in case I see tree people in the neighborhood. As my luck would have it, havent seen a tree company in over a year and a half lol.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Frost hardiness data for White Sapote?
« on: November 28, 2022, 09:32:27 AM »
I have one in cold 9B and it has survived the last few years of winter freezes and frosts. It most likely will lose its leaves however but they come back in spring. I bought it at the Tampa fruit tree show a few years back as a seedling, it was cheap and the owner didnt want to reload it and as a seedling, I couldnt begin to tell you what variety. Its about 8 feet tall now. I found health and growth improved greatly once I started to actively remove those snakehead looking caterpillars that would ravage the thing.

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