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I have a permanent greenhouse, its construction was well documented on the citrus section of this forum some years ago as I was building it -

I really like the ability to plant large trees that won't play nicely in containers directly in the dirt.  However, I am happy to keep anything that will fruit in a container that way as it is nice to be able to bring everything out in the warmer months so I can clean up the greenhouse and fight the scale insects.  No matter what I do they become a problem in the winter when it is crowded, but spring & summer give me a chance to reset things and get them back to a minimum. 

I am growing basically everything now, with representatives from all the common fruiting plant groups discussed here with few exceptions.  I try a bunch and see how they do, then pick the best and get rid of the others or condemn them to being bonsai plants.  I had a ton of in-ground citrus but now I have reduced to just a few in-ground and the in-ground spots are mostly occupied by various artocarpus types and annonas.  Many of the tropicals I got as small seedlings or plants a few years ago started to bloom last year but only a few have fruited so far.  I'm expecting more this year. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: does anyone recognize what this plant is?
« on: January 22, 2023, 05:42:36 PM »
looks like a weed to me

Do you have any kumquats?  Other than the four common types

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Dekopon/Sumo/Shiranui
« on: January 19, 2023, 10:37:19 PM »
I am picking the majority of my crop now and they are really fantastic.  The ones from my tree are twice the size of the ones I see at the store, not sure why, but they are really great.  Easy peel, sweet, seedless, and the peeled fruit is larger than my fist!  Each segment is about equivalent to a clementine's flesh.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Noble Juicy Crunch Tangerine
« on: January 19, 2023, 10:34:00 PM »
I have never heard of or seen this type.   I'd be interested in trying it, but there are so many excellent cultivars at this point I think any new advantage may be best adapting to the local climate.

I have had many mandarins from south america, europe, middle east, africa that were all nice, and also ones that were very poor.  I don't see many mandarins for sale (in grocery stores near me) from Florida, though. 

Meanwhile, if I can get great tasting mandarins to grow in Pennsylvania, it makes me question the whole idea.  Kishu, Dekopan, and Shasta Gold are all consistently excellent for me 

Citrus General Discussion / Re: flying dragon vs C35
« on: January 19, 2023, 10:02:59 PM »
My fukushu on what I suspect is c35 but not sure was far too vigorous once I planted it in the ground of my greenhouse.  I have since regrafted it onto FD and I am much happier this way.  This rootstock might be okay when constricted in containers but it was too much for me in-ground. 

The FD graft unions do end up a bit "benched", but so far I don't think it has caused any issues

What's wrong with a greenhouse?  Then all your problems go away  :D

Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: Wanted: Lemonquat/Sunquat seed
« on: January 17, 2023, 11:30:52 AM »
So, the rind has not lemony flavor?

Yes, only the juice has a significant lemon taste.  The rind is rather bland

I've got tons of Surinam cherries. They all suck so far. But no fruits of the dark variety yet, so hopeful. The hedges have that nasty petrol taste.

I have both a red and a dark seedling Surinam, not named varieties.  Both taste the same to me.  However, if I pick them when they come loose at the slightest touch or have already just fallen the resinous taste is far less.  They are very fragile at this point though

I have a ton of them growing, but most are still too small to fruit.   Meanwhile, another twenty+ varieties have appeared for sale.   At this point I am mostly giving up on "try and catch them all" and waiting to see which of dozen+ types I have actually taste good.

So far I've only tasted pitanga/suriname-cherry and pitangatuba/star-cherry

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cold tolerant Annonas
« on: January 16, 2023, 08:53:22 PM »
Pawpaw survives zone 6 at least

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Nameiwa kumquat
« on: January 15, 2023, 06:43:54 PM »
oh, wasn't aware.  A cross between these two types sounds good to me.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Nameiwa kumquat
« on: January 15, 2023, 05:12:13 PM »
I assume this is the same type called Meiwa in US?  Fortunella crassifolia?

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Fukushu kumquat - thornless?
« on: January 15, 2023, 05:10:48 PM »
Yeah, I have tiny trees on FD from recent graphs producing significant crops already.  They will produce fast

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: ISO Bouea macrophylla seeds.
« on: January 14, 2023, 10:25:54 PM »
maprang?  I'm interested in these also.  I've ordered a few seedlings over the years and they always die very soon after.  I'm thinking a soil or nutrient issue, want to try many different soils until something works

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Difference between Dwarf and Standard
« on: January 14, 2023, 09:29:44 PM »
40 years and only 2in diameter?  That is amazing.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Fukushu kumquat - thornless?
« on: January 14, 2023, 09:27:29 PM »
I have a bunch of grafted fukushu and I don't recall any thorns

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jackfruit Question
« on: January 13, 2023, 12:56:10 PM »
All of the jackfruit and its artocarpus relatives I have growing in containers did poorly, even outdoors and in greenhouse in winter.  Might just be the container soil mix for me, though. 

Are yours normally indoors when they bloom?  Are you getting seedless fruit?

I noticed that the one in my greenhouse would often make entire crops of totally seedless fruit, while the ones that spent time outdoors were very seedy.

Very nice!

These turned out to be too vigorous for me in ground, I have been re-grafting onto Flying Dragon for my greenhouse.  You might have better luck in containers, indoors, without them getting out of hand

Citrus General Discussion / Re: kishu is very much worthwhile
« on: January 12, 2023, 10:14:42 PM »
Owari is very similar to Kishu, it was one of my favorite mandarins but mine died for some unknown reason.  I haven't bothered to replace it because the Kishus are close enough

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pot size for atemoyas and sugar apples
« on: January 12, 2023, 07:56:44 PM »
These are full sun plants so you want to make sure no parts are significantly shaded by other nearby plants.  The exact dimensions aren't really important.  With my many, many container trees I end up arranging them all so that the full-sun-only plants are shading the part-shade plants, but not each other.  It is like a puzzle every spring to find the best fit.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pot size for atemoyas and sugar apples
« on: January 12, 2023, 07:27:34 PM »
yeah I have a fruiting atemoya in a 20gal and I feel it has plenty of room

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: ISO Keledang tree or seeds
« on: January 12, 2023, 07:22:38 PM »
Yeah I check seed list regularly but there is a ton of stuff listed there that is never actually in stock even if you watch all year.  Oh well, I'll report back if I see 'em for sale

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: ISO Keledang tree or seeds
« on: January 11, 2023, 10:38:13 PM »
I'm interested in this also, ever since I saw this thread:

In my greenhouse I am basically doing an artocarpus trial now, and so far everything is doing really well.  They did poorly in containers for me but once I moved them into the greenhouse dirt they started taking off. 

It looks like polynesian produce stand doesn't have them now.  I guess I will try to remember to check back in a couple months

EDIT - I just noticed PPS's prices are insane.  Nearly $200 shipped for a kwai muk seedling?  Under the Similar Items on same page... kwai muk seedling for less than twenty bucks shipped from 9waters.

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