Bender I have seen pix of malaysian 'reds' that deep orange almost true red.Do those ones have a real red color to the flesh? Some of the deeper orange ones here get called reds at times.I saw an article about some of the odd indian types a few years ago.At one competition white fleshed,greenish fleshed and other usual types were entered.There is a general belief here that orange is better than yellow and it is the same with papaya.