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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Honey Pomelo seedlings
« on: January 30, 2023, 07:10:22 AM »
Interesting, seems to have some Poncirus and probably coldhardy genes. Interesting how hardy and how the fruit quality is ?
It seems hardy enough to survive the winters in my basement, with close to freezing temps, and has froze in its pot several times.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Honey Pomelo seedlings
« on: January 30, 2023, 04:32:31 AM »
Sure here it is, i found just 1 of the bilobed leaves, the other ones must have fallen off. It is a seedling from a standart white fleshed pomello, the only pomello seed that i have ever found in store bought pomello.

Plantinyum, chimney fires are scary, were your babies all ok? How far down does your ground freeze? Could u dig deep around the periphery and place tubes for an earth battery air exchange? I have no experience with this, and have now idea what happens if the water table is high.
Well the times where it got fire i was there and was shooting some water on it on the outside, which didnt really help anything. On the inside the metal chimney would get all yewolly- orange, hot as hell, of course it would burn and dessicate all livving things around it.
Our ground rarely freezes lately, we are yet to have it freeze this winter. I can do the pipe earth battery thing, but i dont really need it now, if i want to have a warmer temp inside i can just add an additional radiator ,which i already have.  Will have to disterb alot of plant roots too, in my case now, when i have  a good heating system, i wouldn't do it.
The water table here is quite low i think, ive never hit a standing water anywhere. It is a seasonal thing probably.
Yes such tubes into the ground would fill with water ,to where the water table is. People do wells this way.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Honey Pomelo seedlings
« on: January 29, 2023, 04:51:49 PM »
Yeah i am not fixed on the idea of fruiting the seedling, i will graft it with my other 2 pomello varieties, since i see its growing vigorously and seems like a good rootstock . I hate flying dragon rootstocks, stunts the plants really bad in my experience.
I suspect mine a hybrid since it pushed out several bilobed leaves, probably some trifoliata gene in there. 

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Honey Pomelo seedlings
« on: January 29, 2023, 03:55:20 PM »
Pomelo do not come true from seed & also require a large node count before they will flower. In ground they will take 5+ years in perfect conditions. In a container they will never flower or produce fruit, that's just the nature of the variety.

I have seen a number of containerized pomello that fruited in containers, in Bulgarian citrus and garden forums, people manage to pull it off. They are grafted on dwarfing rootstocks thought ,thats may be the reason why they manage to fruit them.

I also have one 3 year old seedling , a single seed in a store bought fruit, planning to graft it with my standart and red pomello this summer, will also let a original branch to grow probably. Its quite a besutifful plant, my healthiest citrus by far.

I removed scale successfully without killing my plant by doing this:

get a bucket of water and add a little bit of high strength rubbing alcohol and get a q-tip, find some scale, and test the alcohol strength. if they turn red in 1-2 seconds, its probably strong enough. just keep testing back and forth back and forth until they die really quickly, but not immediate (because that means its too strong and will probably hurt the plant too)

then douse a papertowel in it and coat every single surface above and below, extremely thoroughly. I find that just spraying can leave gaps sometimes whereas wiping you can really get into the crevices of new growth. Then spray off with water

Took me like 40 minutes for a <2 foot tall plant, but it did seem to work
interesting technique! I can see it being alot usefull for the nymphs or whatever their babies are called, like the big ones i could just scrape off but the alcohol will also kill the very small ones.

 I have been an indoor grower for like 5- 10 years since i started to maniacally collect whatever tropical fruit species i could get my hands on. Here in zone 6- 7 at 830 m above sea level, growing tropical stuff is hard, althought i have a greenhouse now i still have the house chock-full with plants, placed near the brightest windows. They really hate it in winter for alot of reasons, lack of light being the major one.
I will say that the ones that are in the greenhouse / inground are doing fantastic. I see most people here that have greenhauses are having their plants stay in there potted. I hardly have anything potted in the gh, only a few plants that will go out in summer. I hate having potted stuff in there since i made it with the solo reason and idea of everithing thats inside to be planted inground.
The walls are 20cm thick,60-80 cm deep into the ground on south and west side, and around 40cm  on the north and east sides where i have it incorporated into the pathway. The walls
have 5cm thick styrofoam on both sides. All this was with the idea of keeping the internal soil isolated from the cold soil outside.
Construction is a standart greenhouse one with square metal
pipes 2 cm width, 1mm thick, galvanized. The policarbonate is 4 mm thick . Its ment to sustain a 80 kg snow load per square meter(its 3 on 4 m), thats what i remember from the instruction list. Snow hardly ever persists on the structure, the form combined with the warmth that comes from below quicly melts and slides it off. On the outside of the policarbonate i have 1 sheet of big balloon bubble wrap, on top of which i have 1 layer of clear nylon. Those 2 additional layers ive attached to the structure via the same screws that are supporting the policarbonate.ive NEVER had a problem with it blowing off , the way ive fixed it is keeping the layers nice and tight on top of each other. Yes, water gets between the layers at places, also inside the bubble wrap, but ive never had it green up or get dirty becouse of this. Green algae i have a lot of on the inside of the greenhouse, mainly on the walls.
Heating- last year i was heating with a wood stove, what a horrible experience that was, dont reccomend, although i pilled my plants trought winter fine i needed to stay till late evening to set the fire so it would last the night. I also almost lit the greenhouse on fire on several occasions, on which the chimney got fire, as i said, dont reccomend!  This year i made a radiator heating system, i dug a 20 meter long, 60 cm wide, 80 cm deep canal for the pipes that cary the water from our fire place. Did the digging myself and at one point was questioning my existance, now im real happy i did it though as i knew the alternative was nasty aff. The inground pipes also were insolated with a very thick 20+ cm stirofoam on every side, filled the crevices with fixing foam.
I have 3 radiators, 1 140cm by 60cm and 2 60 by 80 cm. They are sufficient at this point , succesfully keep the inside 15 to 20 c at -7c outside temp.
The 2 barrels i use for wattering, i fill them with water from my ponds, in a matter of a day the water is warm and ready for use, they also add a little of a buffer heat as they are heated up by the radiator.

Are the quails food or pets? Try neem oil because it is not toxic it just smells bad.

Does neem work on scale? I ve spraied neem before, my cherimoya plants hated the stuff. If its effective against them i can spray with it, the citrus did not show any sings of damage.

I bought 2 snonna reticulata seedlings in individual pots, those had already several leaves on them, in one of the pots there was an additional seedling that was decapitated. From my experience with cherimoya and with this particular reticulata, if the decapitation happens below the point where the cotyledon leaves were/are, theres no chance for sprouting back. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Persimmons
« on: January 28, 2023, 05:24:28 AM »
With that much fruit it's no wonder the tree doesn't bear the next year. The way to solve alternate bearing is to thin the fruit. That also often results in higher quality of the fruit that remains after thinning.

I was just going to say the same, alternate fruiting is what happens when a tree has a load of fruit one year, and none or a small quantity the next. Just thin the fruit as fruitnut suggested, that will brake the cicle.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Strawberry tower
« on: January 28, 2023, 01:37:38 AM »
Looks great!

Thanks! I'll keep it updated trought summer!

I canít get rid of scale and donít understand it. My large red lime and Meyer lemon were completely free for years while others were infested, now this year only they have it. Yeah Iím stuck using hose in summer and spray bottle with soap/rubbing alcohol And a toothbrush in winter. Iím gonna try mass rearing of lacewings next year, scale destroyers donít work at all for me (tired them twice).

i think i will start to just scrape them off from the leaves occasionally,  without messing with wiping the leaves..eventually the life sicle should be interrupted. It just takes alot of effort and persistance to do it this way..

 Havent had the fruit of feijoa,
I have 3 feijoas , none of which have fruited yet, they are reasonbly big plants. The one it the greenhouse has around 20 flower buds forming right now , the other 2 that are potted havent bloomed yet. The poted ones are an unknown variety, the greenhouse one is Jemini. Last year i self pollinated the gemini, didnt form fruit. I hope they all bloom in spring at the same time so i can cross pollinate, butthis may be challenging as the greenhouse one doesnt experience any winter temps whatsoever, doesnt get below 10 c in there, and rarely does it get below 15c. The potted ones are in the basement at much colder temps.

Nice greenhouses and plants!

Daintree, i am jealous of your cacao, bananas and the rest place that you have in there! The parot has a very nice colouring.

Tropicaltoba, supposing that you have planting space outside the greenhouse, why dont you plant the stonefruit outside? Is it too cold to grow peaches there outside, or you just have space limitations in the yard?
I have thought about a similar thing, supplying cold to my feijoa in the gh. Ive thought about enclosing it in someking of a box, and opening a small window in the policarbonate, to supply the cold needed. I think you could do a wooden or other box around the peach trees, and install small windows to supply the cold air. I dont know your setup so excuse me if this is impossible to do...

Ive seen parasitic wasps in my yard, infact i think i saw their larvae on 2 occations, 1 time they were parasitazing a caterpillar,  the other time i found a live ground worm that was full of oranje little worms,this may have not been a parasitic wasp, dunno. Their life sicle is badass!
When i have aphid infestations outside, usually a strong poppulation of ladybugs gets established, cant beat ladybug at eating aphids, their larvae are the best thing that can happen to a garden.

To be fair, my plants leaves/canopies in the gh are above the line that the quail can reach, mine seem to nibble at the banana pups,  those juicy big leaves do atract them somehow. Strangely they dont bother one potted surinam cherry that has its branches crawling on the ground, not a single nib on it so they do have preferences lol.
 I also have scale on my citrus there and it doesnt get phased by any insecticide ive tried,nasty stuff. Only thing that works for me ( havent tried imidicloprid ) is removing them manually  and ultimately spraying with a insecticide after that. One of my pomello is clean after this,still need to do the lemon which i badly infested.

Thanks for the suggestions, the ground here freezes to 6-8 feet here so Iím gonna have to start working out to get my shoveling muscles ready for the spring. Iíll probably pick your brain closer to the spring in an attempt to minimize failed pond experiments.

No worries, i'll share what i know !

Tropicaltoba- Hahah ;D , if you have the space ,make one, it doesnt have to be huge u know, just make it deeper since your in a cold zone and fish like to have a deeper place to go to ,when its very cold.
My ponds look like nothing right now, they look spectacular in summer with all the vegetation, waterfall running and water lillies blooming. Its a little more work in the start untill the water has circulated itself, after that its on a autopilot mode.

i keep goldfish and some native species

Plantinyum, what native Bulgarian fish species do you keep ? Just wondering what they might be ?

 We have Carp, Tench, Redfin Perch ( Perca ) and Rudd/Roach introduced to Australia.
I only have two wild species in the ponds, one is crucian carp, which is kind of an invasive species in our area. The other one i dont really know the name of it, its a small elongated fish, dark grey in colour with quite prominent protrusions on the sides of the gills/head. They may stay so small due to the confinement of the ponds.
I also had wild juppies at one time, those died out the first winter, they are native in some southern areas of my country, invasive as f**k.
I also have 2 big lake clams in the bigger pond, i should get more of those for both ponds, they seem to love trailing trought the muck.
I would love to really stock the ponds with all kinds of native fish, but they are too small for heavy fish raising. Will stick with goldies since they are the most friendly and beautiful to look at, native fish are too shy, thought my crucian carps do eat food from my hand at this point.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Strawberry tower
« on: January 26, 2023, 02:32:46 AM »
This turned out very nice, i would like to do several of theese, but dont really have space so may do 1 more at most. The idea is to have more space to plant the strawberries, they wont shade themselves as much when grown vertically. I would imagine that the fruit would also be alot easier to pick, there is enough space for it to hang down. I will paint the green plastic with brown paint, as its kinda my main colour of the structures in the garden..I cant wait to plant them and hopefully to have a nice crop this year.
Its 120 cm high, i am thinking how cool this would be if it was like 3- 4 m high lol

Tropicaltoba, i dont really feed my fish, i keep goldfish and some native species, which i want to replace with goldfish ultimately. I have bought 1 goldfish feed this summer, very small quantity and that was all i fed them the whole summer. I dont usually feed them becouse i have introduced river crustaceans,  dunno which species but are very small and have a stable poppulation of theese. I also have dragonfly larvae ,some stranje muck worms that show themselves trough the muck , and all other kinds of nasties.
My ponds are not heavily stocked with fish, so what in there naturally is sufficient at this point.
For the mosquitos i dont really know if the ponds are making a dent in the poppulation, i have never seen a flock of musquitos like flying above them. Ive seen them laying eggs on the water's surface, and i do have a substantial amount of mosquitos in the yard in spring and early summer, BUT at that time wherever i go there are awlays alot of mosquitos, forests are the worst place to go with summer outfit lol. 
Ive red there are some biological means of controlling mosquitos in ponds that do work, i just let mine run as naturally as possible, i will possibly get more goldfish this summer, this should help with their control.
Also if you make a pond u can add a strong watterfal or some kind of watter aggitation device, mosquito hate moving highly oxigenated water.
Sintetic ferts, i use whatever i get my hands on..npk ones, micronutrient ones, i found a hidroponic store where they offer some stuff that is usually hard to find here, like terra aquatica brand along others. I also use kristalon, which i think does a good job.
Here are both of them right now.

Organic fertilizers are def a safer option for pot culture, ive read that with the sintetics its easier to overdo on potted plants due to the confinement of the pot.
I also started making my own fish emulsion, i have set 2 10 liter bottles past summer, should be ready by june probably.
That said i am generally very bad at keeping up the fertilization schedules, so i only used it like 2- 3 times this summer, mostly doing the sintetic stuff ,also not on a schedule and probably could do way more.
I have 2 ponds with fish in my yard, both of them have accumulated like 10 cm of muck at the bottom, i will be removing a part of it, leaving the rest for the water lilies to enjoy as they are growing straight into it. I plan on dessicating the muck and probably mixing it with irigation water as needed. This thing is literally black, years of worth of acummulating of sediment and fish waste, i just imagine how fertile it is.
In summer when i am hand wattering i use the water from the ponds , then backfill them with my well's water, its a pain to cary so much water trough my yard ,but i have to change the ponds water periodically anyways, and i hate to just spill it out on the tiles, not gonna happen!

I hope at least one of mine ends up being a sweet fruited female, haha just how that sounds  ;D
I am puzzled since all the pics of key apple seedlings picture a single stem seedlings, i am begginning to think that mine are just 2 plants planted/sprouted very close together. I also think that if the species was to be poliembrionik, this would had been pointed out in the articles that i red about the species. Anyway i was thinking of transplanting them into individual pots, but i may just continue to grow them as pairs and just uppot them as needed, they will be grown in pots, if i dont end up planting one of them in the greenhouse, but that would be after i taste the fruit.

I have 10 seed plants that I sowed, none of which originated more than one branch, I don't think they are polyembryonic, at least in my case.
Thanks for the feedback, strange...the plants do grow very close together. I wonder could the case be similar to citrus, where some varieties are poli, others not....
I couldn't find any information about this on the web, there is just a tad basic information about dovialis seeds, germination conditions etc...
She/the seller may be joking with me,  she isn't a communicative tipe so may just have wanted to get rid of me asking questions....

So i bought two plants from the seller. I was chatting with her for like a year, waiting for the plants she had to bloom, so that she could send me a male and a female, ended up bying the last two ones. They are seedlings, 3 years old she said.
In each pot there are 2 plants, i asked her if they sprouted from 1 or 2 seeds, she said that both of the two pots had 1 seed that sprouted 2 plants each.
So is dovialis caffra poliembrionic? Anyone sprouted seeds before amd got 2+ sprouts from each seed?
Does that actually mean that i now have 1 clone of the fruiting plant and 1 zygotic plant each pot?
So now i basically should have 2 female plants, and hopefully at least one of the other 2 ends up being a male to pollinate them, that is if they are truly poliembrionic.
Please share your 2 cents on this.
Here are pics of the plants.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: New summer time passion fruit trellis
« on: January 23, 2023, 01:17:52 AM »
Super cool vine and fruit arch you are working on there! Love it.
An extended soft brush could help with hand pollinatio, if needed,

Thanks! I have tried before to use brushes but its alot more sketchy since the pollen carying organs are hard to take the pollen from with a brush. It can work if i harvest the pollen parts in a cup first, i like to just take the stamens and work them  on the stigma , that way i get most of the pollen directly where i need it.
I,ll have to use a ladder and the net wont help either, but my hands do pass trough the holes of the net so i'll manage...

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