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Is that the Hybrid guineense from Argentina that I sent you?

I think so. You've sent me a bunch of psidium, hard to keep track now haha. This was the one I won off that other forum you were trying to get going, I think the first plant I bought from you.

Yeah that’s the Hybrid, seed from Marcos. Sounds like everyone that’s tried it says it’s a keeper.

I got some Psidium Cauliflorum from Anderson (I think Bellamy has them too).  Surprisingly, they sprouted rather easily within a couple weeks.  All sprouted as well (only 4 so small sample size obviously).  Just thought I'd mention as the species is unique for a collection, and grows on the trunk like a jabo versus branches.

Congratulations! 100% germination for any Psidium is very good but especially one coming from Brazil that is unknown to cultivation.

I’ve found there is many reasons that can cause this individually or on in combination ie. Letting the taproot get too dry, not enough air humidity, too much humidity causing ideal fungus conditions, too cold, too hot, and pest damage like slugs and cutworms. I’d say most of the time it is caused by letting the tap root get too dry. When this happens the seed goes into energy conservation mode and that means stopping the growing tip. If you look at the climate in Brazil where most Eugenia comes from around this time of year it is very warm and humid, at minimum 70F low and 85F high with daily average humidity around 75%. What is the seed’s germination conditions, temperatures and air humidity?

I think I'm going to name this long leaf cultivar "DEEZ"


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You aren’t the only one that said theirs did better under full sun. https://m.facebook.com/search_results/?q=Eugenia+beaurepairiana+Wavy Also in this discussion is the information that there are 2 vars of this species, one with a wavy leaf called rugosa and a regular leaf variety.
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Yeah that was me lol. At first it was just a few of them, but the ones I tried to baby by putting in the shade did worse. They really wilt on hot summer days, but no damage.

Idk, I hope mine are the real deal, but they really don't look like the same species as what y'all have been posting. Sorry, not sure how to resize the image:


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😂 Well you’re the only one that said their seedlings are doing better in full sun. I had a Eugenia ternatifolia, E.beaurepaireana is supposed to be a synonym of that species. That seedling needed a lot of water in the heat of Summer here in NC I would water in the morning and it would wilt over around 2PM. Seemed to do well after I moved it to shade during around noon. There is a lot of leaf variation with this species so hard to say for sure with yours.

Mine are healthy, but they're the non-wavy-leaf ones. It's a bit suspicious tbh, they look like a different species. They look like E. myrcianthes, with more elongated leaves, and more silvery new growth. They had some dieback when young until I put them all in full sun, no issues since. I think they want full sun basically from the time they sprout.

Hi Nate,

You aren’t the only one that said theirs did better under full sun. https://m.facebook.com/search_results/?q=Eugenia+beaurepairiana+Wavy Also in this discussion is the information that there are 2 vars of this species, one with a wavy leaf called rugosa and a regular leaf variety.

$10 sent, Thank you very much for this site.

Maybe we're over thinking this....
I have all my Eugenias growing in a locally produced compost/sand potting mix available at Home Depot.
I water them frequently with municipal hose water and give them Miracle Grow at regular strength every so often.
Full sun or lightly filtered sun in my cool greenhouse.
No issues.

Kevin

What is your tap water calcium hardness? If I don’t over think something I under think it, no happy medium.🤔🧐🤦‍♂️😆

Thanks a lot. I'll replace the soil today. Am I understanding correctly: Regular neutral soil and some acidic peat? approximately the same as for citrus fruits.

E. pyriformis is from areas of South Brazil and into Argentina that is semi deciduous forest that tend to have slightly more calcium content in the soil which will have a little higher pH and slightly more nutrients than the Atlantic Rainforest where most Jaboticaba are native to. The pH there is typically around 4.5 but most Jaboticaba are fine with that up to neutral. Straight peat moss is around 4. A good all around media I mix is 60% peat moss 30% perlite 10% vermiculite. The perlite is around neutral and vermiculite is neutral to slightly alkaline. Not sure what the final pH of the mix is but I do think it’s slightly lower than bought bagged mixes as I don’t add calcium in the form of lime like most manufacturers do. Most all purpose fertilizers have more than enough calcium in their formulas and too much calcium will bind with iron to make it unusable by the plant. It’s the same way with us you don’t want to take a calcium and iron supplement at the same won’t. My tapwater here is very low calcium hardness but I still use mainly collected rainwater. Your E. pyriformis will be growing very well going into next year.

O wow! I didnt even know the new growth was so awsome on these there really arnt to many pictures anywhere. Thanks for making me want it even more now hahaha. How old is your plant?

The new growth can get very orange and with the leaf shape it looks like flames. Do a search on Facebook looking under Eugenia pitanguinha and you will find a lot more information about it especially from Davi Lisboa.

I’ve seen other nurseries using thsoe green pellets and the trees look incredible. Any idea what they use?

Probably a product like Nuticote that is “time released” depending on watering amount and temperatures. They are definitely easier to use for large scale nurseries to sell to retailers where they don’t have to worry about fertilizing too much or too little before the sale.

Quote from: Giant Gecko on November 18, 2023, 08:39:59 PM

Here are some pictures of mine going back to a small seedling last year. It’s grown a lot this year and looks it’s best having midday shade. It’s very ornamental looking with its new leaves that has a silver fuzz to them. It’s rare even in Brazil, the people I know that said the fruit is very good tasting is Helton of PROJETO COLECIONANDO FRUTAS,  Sítio E-jardim and Sellami of Seedshuntershop. I don’t think anyone in the USA has this species fruiting yet. Bellamy’s price now is lower than what they were going for last year and he said he’s going to have a big Black Friday sale next week.

From those pics, It looks like they do okay in containers.  They weren't too fussy as seedlings? If you every get fruit, let us know!

They grow very well in containers especially after the first year. I grew out a few and spread them around to others down to one plant. As seedlings they aren’t too fussy, they just go through a faze where they looked like they have a nutrient deficiency no matter what you do but they grow out of it. They definitely grow better here during the Summer with high air humidity.I left mine outside a little to long this Fall ,Helton said it can handle light frost which I brought it inside well before then but I think the cold dry wind caused some of it’s leaf tips to dry and turn black. I will definitely let you all know when I get it to fruit.

I live in Lexington NC just North of Concord in zone 7b as well. I’ve seen no name cultivar Feijoa growing nearby at High Point University that handled the 2 nights in a row of 7 to 8F last year before Christmas with no damage and unprotected. I planted some at my house back in September but the lack of rain right after planting them has been making them look rough even with some watering. I would recommend your friend to keep them in pots and protect them this Winter to plant in the Spring around mid to late April. There is much more rain and the ground is warm for good root development then. I plan to graft named scions on mine in the Spring but I may unfortunately be replacing some of these plants with the way they are looking now.