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Seems more like macronutrient deficiency. Nitrogen may help if you want darker growth, but your tree is flowering well, and that's often the downside of adding nitrogen to trees in FL.

I do see what appears to be PM on the blooms, so there may be some spraying you could do to help with that.

For nitrogen you really don't need to apply to foliage, as it's soluble over a wider pH range than are many micronutrients.

I've foliar fed mangoes many times, but it's easy to apply too much. Your seaweed extract is probably fine, and is likely to supply Potassium which is a good thing.

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Were those Marc Anthony's poly?

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Now I'm thinking bacterial black spot, not a big deal. Those leaves never greened up however, so I would guess your micronutrient balance is off. If soil test indicates out of the 6-8 range it should be corrected.

 If the leaves harden up and they are full of holes, then it is a boron deficiency.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: The Fig Hunter
« on: March 01, 2024, 04:20:28 PM »
I've only had brief interaction with him at a fig gathering where he was giving away bags of cuttings, and not selling them.

Maybe he realized driving hundreds of miles to share scions of trees he drove all over to harvest scions of was a poor business plan.

Not everyone has a strong business sense, nor are they interested in being successful. I'm just guessing he's using this as an opportunity to get his name out there. It is interesting that he went from giving bags away to selling at high prices, but he probably has to start accepting the need to generate income as a business.

Either way, if you bring a good attitude and plenty of knowledge to a gathering, you tend to get plenty from it, but it's not always so interesting, sometimes you go to meetings for the company more than the presenter.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Foliar Feeding Micronutrients
« on: March 01, 2024, 04:07:07 PM »
Does anyone know what they do for those fancy mangoes in Japan?
If you tasted them, you wouldn't be asking.

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Do the leaves stop expanding or do they continue to grow large and then stay that color?
The first is lack of boron, the second is Nitrogen.

It also looks like a fungal infection with the black spots, but that may not end up impacting the tree long term.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is this passion fruit unique or common?
« on: February 27, 2024, 08:38:41 PM »
Seems like a full meal right there.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: California Super Mango rootstock experiment
« on: February 27, 2024, 04:49:15 AM »
Wow, an excellent strategy to reduce waste.

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Yes CRFG, but not actively attending meetings, get to know the older members and you will likely meet him. I imagine at his altitude/slope there's little if any chill.

I'll just say that I've never had apricots that compared to the seed grown ones, and there were multiple seedlings with similar fruit quality. There were four seedlings, two were fruiting that year, and both were similar and remarkable. He assured me there was little difference between the four, so not a fluke.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: avocados in a lemon growing area?
« on: February 18, 2024, 05:45:27 AM »
I am assuming it's not Meyer.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafting pears
« on: February 16, 2024, 10:34:31 PM »
Thanks for the info! I am on the hunt for low chill varieties. I may have access to some but curious what you might have. Also looking for a variety of other low chill species including apples, prunus, Mulberry, persimmon, and Asian pear.

Where you are blight resistance should be the number one concern. I planted in Alabama: Shin Li, Dasui Li, Warren, and Potomac.

Of these Warren is the least vigorous and Potomac the most.

For Prunus I planted Florida Glo and Jefferson Green Gage, but I would also plant Inca Plum if available.

There should be no issues with any persimmon, but I'm partial to the pollination variant ones.

I didn't plant mulberries there, but I get plenty of them in SoCal. I will be planting them in WA when I get some, chill hours shouldn't be a consideration for these, but performance in wet weather should. I read somewhere in the Panhandle someone was getting fruit from Morus nigra by specially treating their tree, but I forget if it was by removing diseased leaves or by spraying. Most reports are that nigra is too difficult and instead efforts should be given towards alba and rubra types. My favorite by far of that group is the Frank's yellow, which appears synonymous with Aus green, White Shatoot, Sharahanpur Local, and others.

We got in excess of 600 Chill hours in AL, but I think you should be able to get the Asian pears to fruit, you may be able to get blooms out of Warren and Potomac, it's worth trying, scions are cheap and available online, I do have some spares if unable to locate.

Did you fruit Inca plum in Alabama? What did you use as a pollinator?

My tree I was going to take scions from was killed by gophers, so it never got grafted.
I think Inca is self-able, but if there's any question of pollination, Santa Rosa has a very long bloom cycle.

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If you can get Blenheim seeds, it's worth the gamble. A Spring Valley local planted a bunch out and all of the resulting seedlings yielded excellent fruit, best Apricots I've had.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: keitt mango taste
« on: February 16, 2024, 08:38:24 PM »
Try Sweet Tart, Venus, Kathy, and P-22. These all have the Parsnip flavor. I think Aussies might favor them highly. That said varieties like Edward and Karen Michelle are tropical tasting, but the resin is absent. I think these might also be well received.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: avocados in a lemon growing area?
« on: February 16, 2024, 08:34:23 PM »
Yes.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: keitt mango taste
« on: February 15, 2024, 06:08:33 PM »
I assume this is in response to the resin component near the skin.

It seems there is a strong bias in the Aussie region against mangoes with any kind of resinous component towards the skin, what is commonly sought after in India and the Caribbean. There are many kinds of resin that you can find in mangoes, with the kind in Keitt likely being passed down from the Haden (which got it from turpentine). I'm not a fan of that resin either, but I do strongly favor other types of resin in mangoes like Kesar, Alphonse, and Julie. I actually love Keitt, but quality in commercially harvested ones varies so strongly due to cultivation and harvesting practices that I would recommend growing it yourself and harvesting a well grown and ripened fruit before judging.

On the topic of resin, many people stateside call Aussie mangoes resinous, judging the strong parsnip flavor near the skin as a chemical component, so taste preferences vary greatly with region. Mangoes like Bowen and Maha would fall under this group.

That same resin you dislike is present in the mango favored in South Florida (CAC or COC), and it also has the parsnip flavor, so you will find people on both sides of the pacific who dislike this one as well based on resin.

Very few of the American ones are descended from Keitt with a few notable exceptions, but many American mangoes do contain a resin component Aussies will dislike. That said I've tasted quite a few of the newer selections, and I don't taste it in any of the newer ones like M4 or Cotton Candy (both Keitt seedlings), nor do I taste it in any of the Kent descendants.

Kent has a resinous component from Haden, but it isn't anything like the one in Tommy or Keitt.

Try getting a hold of the Guava or Sein Ta Lone mango if you can, it has an altogether different resin, but it's got a lot more going on and is fantastic (poly too).

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Small amounts of rootstock seeds are a challenge, especially from a foreign country.

The 812 is available from commercial nurseries in FL, but I was only able to obtain grafted trees. My grafted portions all died due to frost and this year was a very cold year, so the rootstock may have died. If it survives, I should be able to get seeds in a few years.

Large quantities of seed are available for research purposes, but there are some agreements you would have to sign to obtain them, and I highly doubt they would be shared outside the US due to the low enforce-ability of international agreements.

If you want to buy grafted trees and deal with the challenge of importation from FL then this is possible.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2024 FL Mango Season
« on: February 14, 2024, 03:49:33 AM »
Bovine, good job.  I too learned so much here.

1 holdout (Maha) yet to fruit planted 2-3yrs ago & i cut in half to branch out. 
Never tasted a Maha. 





It's a nice balance between indochinese and classic. I describe it as a parsnip and durio combo.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Why cant i get mango seeds to germinate!?
« on: February 11, 2024, 12:46:47 PM »
Whats the temperature and humidity in the “room” where you are trying to germinate mango.
They are tropical so want warm air.
If you have like 30C with atleast 80% humidity it will germinate fast if the embry is still alive.

Maybe you got bad seeds that got damaged by seed borers.
We are exceptionally lucky in the US, the borer hasn't made it yet.
Even heat treated seeds will grow, the problem is fruit that have been refrigerated either in transport or in storage. They won't germinate once refrigerated.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafting pears
« on: February 08, 2024, 12:57:04 PM »
Thanks for the info! I am on the hunt for low chill varieties. I may have access to some but curious what you might have. Also looking for a variety of other low chill species including apples, prunus, Mulberry, persimmon, and Asian pear.

Where you are blight resistance should be the number one concern. I planted in Alabama: Shin Li, Dasui Li, Warren, and Potomac.

Of these Warren is the least vigorous and Potomac the most.

For Prunus I planted Florida Glo and Jefferson Green Gage, but I would also plant Inca Plum if available.

There should be no issues with any persimmon, but I'm partial to the pollination variant ones.

I didn't plant mulberries there, but I get plenty of them in SoCal. I will be planting them in WA when I get some, chill hours shouldn't be a consideration for these, but performance in wet weather should. I read somewhere in the Panhandle someone was getting fruit from Morus nigra by specially treating their tree, but I forget if it was by removing diseased leaves or by spraying. Most reports are that nigra is too difficult and instead efforts should be given towards alba and rubra types. My favorite by far of that group is the Frank's yellow, which appears synonymous with Aus green, White Shatoot, Sharahanpur Local, and others.

We got in excess of 600 Chill hours in AL, but I think you should be able to get the Asian pears to fruit, you may be able to get blooms out of Warren and Potomac, it's worth trying, scions are cheap and available online, I do have some spares if unable to locate.

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I re-read the thread and wanted to revisit a post from page 2.

Has anyone actually had a PPK seed that was Poly? Gary was only using Mono seed for his project, and he definitely used PPK to select OS and LZ. I certainly see the Gary influence in OS, but not LZ.

Last year I opened 6 PPK husks, all were single large embryos.

I opened many Gary husks, all were poly. Given the number of offspring from Gary's project that produce poly seed and have Gary character (OS, O2, E4, M4, CC (both), and others), it's not like it was an unexpected result.

These results lead me even further down the road of Gary's reported parentage is incorrect. The Pettigrew, sure, but there's a poly parent in there.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafting pears
« on: February 07, 2024, 05:11:59 PM »
If scions are dormant, it's super easy. I have some scions of low chill varieties, what were you looking for?

If you want to use the already leafed out scions, it's much more challenging, but as long as the rootstock is pushing hard, you still may get good results. Try using a plastic bag and moist paper towel inside it to keep the humidity high, as the non-hardened off growth will dry out quickly while the graft is healing. Also make sure to cover that bag in foil or newspaper to prevent the light from frying the tender growth.

Best bet is to get dormant scions however.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Would 0-46-0 help mango bloom?
« on: February 07, 2024, 04:55:17 PM »
Phosphorous won't help in this case. O2 has been known to bloom poorly where it doesn't get cool.

For mangoes it seems the main stimuli for blooming is cold, then dry soil, then potassium application. Alex posted about which groups each variety falls into, and O2 was in the needs lots of cold group, which is perfect for SoCal growers, especially given the high fruit quality and poly seeds. Not so good in the warmer locations of Florida.

I was shown last year you actually can eat young mango stems. I thought the tips of OE tasted pretty good actually, but if you're sensitive to plants in this family, don't attempt.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Need Help to ID This Cherimoya again
« on: February 07, 2024, 04:50:26 PM »
It's impressa type as you've noted, it could be Fino De Jete, but there are a number of popular impressa type cherimoyas around.

If you prune to create a denser canopy (opposite of what you do for prunus), you may have a higher incidence of self pollination. The key is to keep the humidity high so the female part of the flower doesn't dry out before the pollen is ready. You can spray the canopy with a hose or use foggers on a timer as well to try to increase the humidity.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 60 Lbs of KNO3
« on: February 07, 2024, 04:43:53 PM »
It's extremely soluble in water, so if you're not applying it fertigation style it won't last, it's gone almost as soon as it's applied, so don't apply any significant quantity, as the excess will leech out/pollute.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2024 FL Mango Season
« on: February 05, 2024, 08:46:04 PM »
Peach Cobbler- making mostly leaves not flowers.  Will be my 1st tasting though so i'm looking forward to it :) 

shot, cool. 




I love watching the reaction of people who try the Peach Cobbler mango for the first time.  Hope you get fruit.
It's an impressive fruit for sure, I'm curious how much better it will taste in SoCal. High vigor and poly seeds, so it's an ideal choice for SoCal.

I hope it gets a more appropriate name soon.

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