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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango fungus help
« on: October 20, 2022, 06:26:22 AM »
Seems like a lichen to me.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Latest blooming loquat varieties?
« on: October 19, 2022, 05:27:32 PM »
CarolinaZone, ok, good to know. I will let you know when it flowers here.
My Tanaka is flowering now. Also the Argelino/Angelino, Shambala, Novak, Mogi, Genoa, BJW, Imperiale, Tori, Novak, China White, China Doll, Champagne, and many others.

Same in Spain for Tanaka and Argelino. Never heard of spring blossoms for this species, in Spain fruit makes it through winter only there where there are mild winters, for example in Ronda (a city in the south but with several days with minimum temps below zero) loquat typically don't bear fruit while other areas of the region with milder winters have commercial crops.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: mango osteen graft
« on: June 20, 2022, 07:25:13 PM »
That's a whip and tongue graft but without the tongue, it's the most common graft for cherimoyas in Spanish nurseries, I tried once on mango and it took. Some people say it's less traumatic for the tree than the cleft graft. Truth is that I do both every year on stone fruit, figs, Annona or mulberries and in the mid term I never noticed a difference. They both heal fine for me and hold well in my windy area.

This thread is already a few years old but regarding suitable mangoes for pots it's quite informative:

Thanks once again for the info, Kaz. I'm pretty sure that being that methodical and growing the varieties under the same conditions is a matter of time to clarify if all these cvs are at least close enough that we can't tell one from another without molecular analysis. For us who grow them in the yard is more than enough. Here in Europe mulberries trade is also becoming messy regarding names, there are some varieties circulating like Shelli 150 or Black Pakistan that aren't the real deal, for example.


Looks like I'm going to have to try and track down some Skinner and Himalayan FSP cuttings...

There's a dedicated group of mulberry growers in town that would leap on these like rabid fiends. Since all other mulberries grow here like it's going out of style, they should succeed just fine here without nematode issues.

Doesn't look like Craig sells cuttings or ships grafted trees.

If Skinner is already being propagated among members of TFF, my guess is that Himalayan FSP is also out there already. Aside from these two, Bran and Kaz have mentioned a RH that they grow in SoCal and is outstanding as well, I wonder if is the same than any of the 2 Craig's favorites in Florida or a 3rd top tier cv.



Nice fruit you have on such an early graft. I would let to many fruits hang or your graft may not grow as fast. I like to leave just a few fruits when my new grafts have fruits before 1 year, just to make sure it is the correct variety. I also got some Lavender mulberry scions a month ago and grafted many on my trees. The pictures I saw of the fruit was more lavender/purple color. I'm sure yours will have more color next year when your grafted branches are larger. I have a purple/white colored fruit from Italay called Sangue e Latte and it did the same thing as yours. The first fruits wasn't as nice looking and tasting as the second year fruits.

Thanks Kaz for your answer, so informative. That Sangue e Latte certainly looks similar to Sweet Lavende and mine, specially in the first and second pics. Mine so far has not shown those dark tones when fully ripened, although in the first year get conclusions about phenotype might be risky as you point. My grafts have no problems of vigor, on the contrary, I had to pinch the apical grow from them a few weeks ago to make them branch a little. The roostock is a >30 years old M. alba tree that gets water and nutrients from several other trees in my yard and from the yard of my neighbor so it grows like crazy. I have to keep in check every few days all the suckers from the original variety (worthless in the flavor aspect) and even nigra cvs are going well over 2 meters (7 feet) in their first season. The tree was 8-10 meter high when I decided to get some control of it and let some room and light for other fruit trees so it pushes really hard to get back to its original size.

I wanted to ask your opinion about Spice Parkís variety of Himalayan mulberry describe by Craig Hepworth here A member from Florida has already commented on the other variety that he recommends, Skinner, and confirms what Craig already explains on his blog, that Skinner is exceptional, but this other one that I link above is the GOAT for him and I would like to know if someone has tried it and shares his opinion about the exceptionality of this cv.



Hi guys,

I'd like to know your opinion on Sweet Lavender mulberry I got some scions this winter and grafted them on my 30 years old Morus alba, they are already producing a bunch of mulberries (6 or so per graft) and they look a lot like SL, and are really sweet but with some complexity. May is being anomalously warm this year so I don't know if this is a stable trait of the cv or more related to our weather this season, anyway for a 3 months graft they are not bad at all.


Very interesting experiences. I use bags for grafting, but so far I only did it for grafting pitayas (a plastic bag plus a paper bag if in direct sunlight). Now I'll give it a try on mangoes, avocados and anonas too.

Maybe another thing worth considering is the type of grafting depending on the season (or weather), I don't know of people switching from scion to bud grafting in subtropical trees, but on Prunus spp it's common to switch whip & tongue/cleft in winter for chip grafting when trees start to push and for other bud grafting types once they are already actively growing. At least here in Spain. It wouldn't be surprising if mangoes/avocados/anonas also showed better rates depending on the method and the season. I wonder if anyone has already done or found some trails on this matter.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Covering flowering mangoes
« on: May 18, 2022, 11:21:03 AM »
The main problem in the combination of heavy rains and pollination for most fruit trees is a combination of the polen being washed out and pollinators (mainly flies in mangoes) usually becoming inactive. I don't know though if mangoes can set fruit on their own even without insects like for example most peaches do... Keeping mangoes under 2 meters in your climate can be challenging too, even more so if you already have a problem of production because of rains.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing "Lolita" Suriname Cherry?
« on: May 10, 2022, 05:32:57 PM »
I have 6 seedling of Red Lolita from Raķl, the original plant is so sweet that even his dogs eat the fruit, mine didn't produce yet but the biggest ones should do it this year, or at least that's what I hope...

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Thinning Mahachanok mango
« on: May 10, 2022, 04:03:15 PM »
It hurts to watch those pics  :'( I have strong winds in my area too, what I do when the branches carry a lot of fruit is to use fork-shaped thick sticks to hold them up. Well placed and fastened, they are very efficient in preventing breakage.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Finally a giant Megalanthus
« on: May 10, 2022, 12:38:52 PM »
Pay attention to the flower, especially when is closing again, if the stigma gets widely in contact with the anthers as the flower closes back then there is a good chance for the variety to be able to set flowers without hand pollination, all megalanthus cvs as far as I know are at least self-fertile.

For example I suspect that the Pal 3 giant megalanthus that I posted today earlier will set fruit on its own (the flowers are as I described) but I hand pollinated the 3 fruits to ensure the crop and see the kind of fruit it produces (and also because I'm using this cv as a parental to make crosses and get new varieties with big size for the autumn-winter season).

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Finally a giant Megalanthus
« on: May 10, 2022, 07:26:23 AM »
A couple of pictures of a fruit over 600 gr from my seedling which I call Pal #3, first year of production (it comes from a seed of a Palora sowed in the spring of 2019). The plant is still young and barely branched, just 3 stems but the main one is about 3 meters long (this variety grows fast on its own roots). It's starting now to push new growth so I expect to get this size in the fruit again, maybe even bigger with proper thinning. It gave me 3 fruits this year (ripening took 7 months here).

I also have the original Palora from a couple of grafts I did from the fruit I bought in the supermarket and the original one is also growing really fast here (on undatus roostock in this case). We'll see how Pal 3 performs compared to Palora this year. I gonna plant also cuttings of both (and of another seedling, a sister of Pal 3) side by side to keep comparing.   

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Picking Sugarloaf (E-4) Mango
« on: May 02, 2022, 11:48:45 AM »
In this thread Alex and Rob made some comments on flavor related to harvest time:

Probably cold-soil-induced deficiencies, of Calcium, Sulfur, Zinc, Iron, etc.  Red spots may be from thrips or from micro-mites.

Thank you very much, Har. Indeed, since the beginning of March we have been experiencing unusually cool and quite rainy weather. Thanks for your answer.


Planted last year, a graft from this young tree is putting out a normal looking panicle, but these rootstock shoots clearly have some problem. It seems like a deficiency but I don't know what it is. Any idea what could it be? Thanks.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Guava mango
« on: February 19, 2022, 02:55:32 AM »
I'm going to bump this thread up because I think the information that Alex shares in this video is very interesting and I couldn't find it in the forum: Guava is actually Sein Ta Lone from Myanmar:

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Zill 23-2 mango
« on: November 15, 2021, 06:11:23 PM »
Havenít been impressed with it yet and itís prone to rot.

Thanks for the update, Alex. Too bad it doesn't share the quality of its 2 supposed siblings, combined with its extra late ripening season would have done a great combination.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Zill 23-2 mango
« on: November 14, 2021, 11:38:49 AM »
Thanks, JP. Yes, according to TAF is a very late season cv.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Zill 23-2 mango
« on: November 12, 2021, 11:55:33 AM »
Didn't find any info about Zill 23-2 aside from the web of Tropical Acres Farms but being a possible sibling of M4 and CC and a late season variety I'd like to know if there is more data already.

Anyone grows or has any experience about this cv regarding taste, season, etc?


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit - Hand Pollination
« on: November 08, 2021, 05:17:21 PM »
As for ripening, California has a similar climate to Andalusia but I'm not sure to what extent they are really equivalent, here the Colombian megalanthus start to change color in April, and they are harvested through May until the end of June easily, as least in my location.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit - Hand Pollination
« on: November 08, 2021, 05:10:29 PM »

If anyone can tell me how long after you hand pollinate that you will see the results and how long does it take before the fruit grow and ripens that would help out.


With megalanthus (specially Colombian cv) might take a bit longer than with other DF as a result of its natural slow pace and also because as it blossoms at this part of the year, temperatures make any pitaya slow down. Usually about 1 week-10 days after pollination, a thin line appears in the point where the tube of the flower will eventually die and separate from the fruit, from this line backwards the color is green and towards the flower is first pink-yellow (in your first fruit it's about to appear). I have pollinized megalanthus as late as 2PM, the next day to the flower opening, but doing it the early morning would be better and doing it at the early night the same day it opens would be even better. But as Brad explained, this species doesn't really need hand pollination unless that you want to make some cross or get your fruit as big as possible.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Reviews
« on: June 27, 2021, 07:18:28 PM »
Thanks Simon, I have ST and Venus but didn't have the chance to taste them yet.

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