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Dragon fruit usually start blooming in June for me and ripening 45-50 days later. Guavas have been blooming in July. Avocado and citrus start flowering around Feb/March. Cherimoya and atemoya start early spring but you can induce earlier flowering by defoliating the tree. Ive also found that white sapote flowers year round.
Thank you ! Seems like guavas for me and you flower at near the same time, our zones are the same also thought judjing by the maps i have looked at lately i may be a bit colder at a zone 6, My dragonfruits havent flowered yet, hopefully this spring i can get some action on them.
For my cherimoyas i thought i will wait till the start of march when the temps for new growth will be a lot more favorable, thought they do grow now also from some of the leaf free nodes. I will prune them and strip some of the leaves and hope for a nice flowering on both of them. One of them has two flower buds forming right now.

Interesting question -
For mangoes and lychee, they normally flower when the weather warms up (March), but it varies by the year. Couple years ago I had my mango flower in may and February. Most of my trees that bloom do so when there is a change in the weather or during the summer.
I think I'm about 1-3 months behind the people in FL regarding when fruit ripens.
I also have a mango and a lychee, longan, jackfruit and others all in the gh, but they are seedlings and a long  way till flowering. I may buy a  grafted mango if the seedling one survives winter.

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Great video!!!
Yeah, i just discovered this channel a few days ago and have been watching the videos ever since ...great information in alot of them.

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Just want to update my guestion. I did the nylon thing and it totally worked, two days after i placed it the plants dried up and did not had any drops on them ever since. Now i saw one time when the heating wasnt on ,on the nylon it also had some condensation but it didnt drip....
So for everione that wonders ,do this and you will not have a problem any more, only the nylon shouldnt be touching the outer layer of the gh, i have some places like that on the vertical sides and it does condense hard on those.
Also found out that heating with a wood stove will dry up the air guite a bit and general condensation inside will not be as severe..

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I shall add that lemon and strawberry guava ripened for me this year around october. Didnt sighn the dates when they flowered thought but will start traching all of them from now on.
Some tropical guava similar to apple tipe guava with big fruit is just starting to ripen its fruit now,  yesterday i sensed a slight aroma near the tip of one of the fruits. Now the plant is a seedling and is fruiting for the first time ,so i know as aging goes it should set its flowering pattern and i will track this.
So i was also wondering as most tropicals i have read on about , here and on other places ,they may have off season flowers ,thus fruit.
My red strawberry and lemon guavas have a bit of flower buds right now that came with the new growth they are having almost all winter, its kinda week and nothing like the summers fast growth. I'd assume ones spring is here they will explode with new growth and the main crop shoulb be on that one.
I'm 830 meters above sea level , probably in zone 6b maybe 7  ,dunno my paralel exact place thought haha 😄
As i am thinking more about my question ,all this may be worth just as a slightly helpfull guide about the plants behaviour, there are too many variables weatherwise and whatnot....

Just was looking at my older posts and i found i posted pics of the guava thats is starting to ripen , it had almond sized fruit set on sep 3, so it may have bloomed around start of august. That means around 4 and a half months for fruit maturity, is that too long in generall ??

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Can anyone provide a guide for the ripening and blooming times for different tropical fruits that are grown in northern countries like here in Bulgaria? Interested in species like guava , cherimoya ,avocado ,coffee, dragonfruit and others you have information on.
Is there a relation with the earths  paralell lines, can u tell by your geographic coordinate that a sertain species will fruit or bloom at a sertain time, given that most of their growing conditions are met...
I'd imagine latitude will also be a factor ...
I am talking mostly about greenhouse growing, but if there is a difference between a gh inground plant and a potted one that gets brought inside for winter, please point it out !

Thanks for any input !!!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Can I prune my papaya?
« on: January 13, 2022, 02:07:08 PM »
I grow mine in the hothouse for all year round fruit too. If they get too tall I marcot mine and replant the top for lower setting fruit.
Do u proceed to marcot them using the typical air layering methods, moss and some scrape of the bark/ stem in the case of the papaya ?? This is a nice way to not just trow away the top when u prune it ....i'd quess papaya would air layer faster and easier compared to other woody plants...

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: When to pick those guavas ?
« on: January 09, 2022, 03:19:42 PM »
If these are pinks, wait until the skin turns somewhat yellow, has a strong guava smell, and just a little give to touch.
Thanks a bunch !! Will look for those signs,  will update this tread when the fruits ripen.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Bali salak seedlings
« on: January 09, 2022, 01:02:27 PM »
Hello and excuse me to the OP for this question, but i started some salak seeds and wanted to know the possible varietie, the fruits were all with 3 segments and the pulp had some brown coloring at some places . What variety could this be??
Once again sorry for the hijack,  thought this was not worth a new tread, did not find information on the web...

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / When to pick those guavas ?
« on: January 09, 2022, 08:18:26 AM »
Hi all !! Are theese babies close to ripening ?? Asking since the mother fruit that i got the seeds from was bought green like they are now, it was pinkish inside but was probably way underripe. Am i wating for a all yellow colour on the fruits? They have began to get paler green/ yellow but are still hard and i do not sence any fragrance to them. Thank for the feedback.







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Two of my guava seedlings (inground in a greenhouse) produced fruit last  year which was their second year from seed. The fruits havent ripened yet and are still growing atm. Just wanted to share this since i thought this is very fast for my climate, i'd imagine in the tropics they could fruit at the end of their first year .....


EDIT :  here are the fruits that i'm wating to harvest soon, they got huje for a first crop, its a promissing little tree from the start, hopefully the fruit tastes good....



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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Asian Persimmon - this season crops
« on: January 07, 2022, 04:46:14 PM »
Those look so yummy,  i had fuyu fruit from my plant this year and they were exelent. I also like much more the types that can be eaten hard, i ate my fuyus hard and probably should have let them ripen more on the tree....

Dried persimmon is something i will do someday when i buy me a dehidrator....

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sb please identify this tree
« on: December 31, 2021, 07:51:22 AM »
On the last pic i see oak leaves, u need to provide a beter pic of the leaves if u need a proper id, the first pic does not look like any oak i have seen, the leaves look to be big and oval.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherimoya Tea Leaves
« on: December 30, 2021, 12:14:17 PM »
I was also wondering about this as i am trying to use as much of my plants as possible, but WILL SKIP this tea due to those reviels.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Sorta off topic air layering question
« on: December 28, 2021, 05:25:52 PM »
Hello, i will be setting a few air layers on field maple, hornbeam and elm trees for starting bonsai, and was wondering what is the best time to set them? Read that its best to wait till the plants have their first set of leaves hardened, but as awlays i would like to hear an first hand experience.
Can i set them before the trees have leafed out ??
Thanks a ton !!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mid-winter greehouse update
« on: December 25, 2021, 05:10:15 PM »
Thank u both for the kind words! Hopefully i will be able to show off next year with some fruit from most of the plants...Merry Christmas 🎄  :D

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Mid-winter greehouse update
« on: December 25, 2021, 02:37:21 AM »
Hi everyone and happy holidays! Just making an update on the happenings at my gh as of today. As jenerall all is well ,excluding two salak casualties, and one vanilla orchid that had rotted at the root area, but is now inside and will be nursed back to health.







Heres the gh from the outside and a an group picture of the inhabitants.


My pasiflora decaisneana, having some new growth .



Here u can see seedlings of longan, oranje jasmine,  lychee, carob and one lemon guava at the back.





Heres a cumquat and pomello with some fruit, both of them are shedding some leaves... on the pic with the pomello u can also see my surinam cherry ,one very small pineapple, ant two aloe vera species.









Next are my tropical guava seedlings, 4 plants in total, 2 from a big fruited type guava and 2 from a smaller fruited one. Both of the ones that came from the bigger fruit are fruiting this year, one of which has quite big fruit which i think will be starting to ripen soon. In-between  them there is a half dead papaya, i had 3 of them , will prolly lose this one also, i think the soil temp is too cold for them.


Pachira aquatica/glabra , no idea which one of those...







Curry leaf tree/ muraya koenigii ,one lemon guava which is hardly visible, and my strawberry guava which has alot of new growth and some flower buds.








My two cherimoya seedlings, the one next to the wood stove got defoliated due to heat and has some new growth and two flower buds. Happy to see this, hopefully in spring there is alot of flowers on both of them.


Jackfruit, longan and a super dwarf cavendish banana.


Lemon guava


Lemon grass, this shit is amazing, gives such a nice flavour and smell to dishes, way better that lemon itself.








My 3 avocado plants, all of them are making new growth constantly.



Mango seedling


Camelia sasanqua, will use it in future for tea


Pasiflora ligularis coming along nicely with new growth, following a hard pruning.











Dragonfruits, also making new growth, only the grafted megalanthus seedling are sitting still.


True Cinnamon also making new growth since october, infront of it a pineapple with a rotten center.
 

Coffe arabica


Monstera deliciosa also growing at the moment...




Carambolla shedding most of its leaves , in some places i read that this is normal with them in colder climates.

Thanks for stopping by , for everyone that has experince with growing those species in a similar climate to mine, 6b -7a and colder , in a greenhouse, i would love to hear your reccomendations on keeping the plants alive trought winters, thanks !!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Seedling Mango tree thread
« on: December 21, 2021, 07:29:48 PM »
Nice plants everyone, this is my greenhouse mango seedling. Its one summer old and is holding fine trought winter for now. Lowest temp ever was 4C, but since ive started lighting the wood stove inside, the lowest temps stay above 10C , around 12 C at most times. Soil temp is around 12C also...if i could trust my termomether but i think its quite accurate...
Not talking bout varieties the seed came from, this is unknown to me but here its a question of survival for such plants anyway....







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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Yellow strawberry guava: sun vs shade
« on: December 21, 2021, 09:14:59 AM »
I also have three yellow guava plants, the catleyanum type. One of them produced quite big fruits this year, but were not very sweet nor did they had much of a flavour to them.
I have another one which was bought as a red stralberry type ,but turned out to be yellow, i makee smaller fruit but the flavour was way better than the one with the bigger ones. It should be said that i ususally pich most of my fruits slightly under ripe, due to beeing not able to wait them out.  ..
I also had several fruits from my red strawberry guava this year, they were also very nice .
Expecting alot more from all of those next year. By the way they are all greenhouse grown under a 4 mill policarbonate and some shade cloth suspended high above the gh.
They seem to be ripening from mid october onwards for me.

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Its kinda hard to see by the pictures, but the leaves do look like the ones on my cherimoya seedlings, the same broad leaves with a little sharp tip. There is variation amongs the seedlings from the same species also.
Eather way ,i think yours need way more light, they seem quite etiolated and not able to stand on their own.
Mine grown in full sun would have around twice as much leaves with the same high ,and they would get them way closer to the ground, also in a sunnier condition they get nice and fat at the base.

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The first link screwed up, i think the second should work fine....

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A long read for everyone interested in the effects of climate change on tropical fruit plants. At page 45-46 starts the more interesting part ,in which particular species's native range temperature conditions and reactions to sertain temps are described.

https://www.google.com/url?
sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.bioversityinternational.org/uploads/tx_news/Tropical_fruit_tree_species_and_climate_change_1541.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwieovvuytj0AhWHQvEDHZNkCiYQFnoECCQQAQ&usg=AOvVaw06R8wRrQ_wHAkkcS7Tsg_4

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Ok, more info on the orange flesh guava. The one I have is still a small seedling. It is called Gushiken, USDA cultivar HPSI 26.
Here's a few photos of what the fruit should look like, but not sure if the seedling will have similar fruit.



i had ate something similar to this around two years ago, the fruits were the size of big plums slightly pear shaped. The colour thought, it looks like pink to me too so ....
I have three seedling plants which are big now so hopefully next year i will see some fruit on them.
I also have three seedling plants from a bigger fruited ,pink guava, probably similar to apple guava. Two of them set fruit this year ,but due to the colder temps in the gh they are not sizing at the moment.
I had fruit this year from two catley guavas , both the yellow and the red varieties.
I liked the red strawberry guava the better, had more sweetness, very good flavour with a small amount of seeds per fruit. Fruits were the size of a medium large round plum. Both the peel and the inside just melted into the mouth, the peel had a slight piney flavour which i very much liked.
The yellow one, generally called lemon guava was kinda bland compared to the other.

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I have always germinated them in small flower pots with basic plant soil with perlite. Fresh seeds sprout way faster and generally as a group, stored ones sprout very slow and u get ones that sprout 8+ months later, ive had poor germination from stored ones also. I sprout them at room temperature, around 20C.
They are generally very easy to sprout, last winter i sprouted around 100 seeds, most i tinned, the rest ( 60 or so) were stransplanted in small plastic cups and are now in my basement for the winter with the citrus.

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