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Sorry for bragging on this everyone! I am becomming a helicopter gardener probably, but do theese leaves look willted, like tat they need more water? Both of the plants have some of the new leaves slightly curved inward, this happens only in the day, the temp at the time that it happens is around 35 C. The soil is slightly moist to moist 3-4 cm down, def not wet ! Is this just a reaction to the hot temps ,that will be happenning regardless soil moisture? The tips of the new growths are sturdy and arent drooping more than they naturally do...
When something is fruiting i really get paranoid i'd los3 the crop if i did this or that etc .....











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Ok i will thin the fruitset once the blooming is done, i saw several pollinated ones that dropped so want to know which ones are a sure set. The ones that drop do not gain size ,they just stay for around a week and drop off. Anyway i'm seeing at least 10 that are growing well and look promising, its just too early to tell for most of them ...
I usually fertilize with green / red cristalon fert every 10 days or so. I have some ready fish emulsion so will be using it on the gh plants in a bit...will add a bit of citrus feed to the cherimoyas next time !

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An update, the plants are in peak bloom right now, the one that had around 20 buds is almost finished with the blooming, a few flowers left to open. This is the first one.... some of the pollinated flowers are starting to size up, but still too early to tell...




The second one is def the star , clusters of flower buds didnt count but they are many ! The first flower i hand pollinated set and this is the biggest fruit set on the plant to date, numerous smaller ones that appear to have also set are dragging their asses behind. I am still pollinating flowers and at the second plant i esstimate theres one third of them all that have yet to flower. My plan is to just pollinate everything and at a later stage thin fruitset probably.
Heres some pics of the second plant ...
 








I also have some questions which are....

 1 - Does cherimoya generally thin alot of its fruitset on its own ,like persimmon, or do what sets from the beginning generally stay on?

2- i am wondering lately if i am giving them too much or too little water, how much moisture do i have to have in the soil, like a feel to it if u can describe it this way?

3- is there a chance for the plants to discard the fruit set if i averfeed them ,if that happens .....?

Thanks in advance for the tips and the help !

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Calcium carbonate use for tropicals
« on: August 03, 2022, 09:55:53 AM »
Thanks for all the comments to all of you!!




I am also interested in gypsum, what tipe of gypsum is generally used? Does the builders gypsum, the one that combined with water hardens up, can be used for amending?

Gypsum is Calcium Sulphate, It can be used to supply Ca and S. It is useful as a non lime form of Ca. i.e. not Limestone or Dolomite Lime.
Gypsum will not push up the pH like lime because the Sulphur balances the Ca. In pot mixes up to about 1 kg of Gypsum per cubic metre will not alter pH.
The finer the gypsum particles the greater the reaction. Coarse Gypsum particles act as slow release. Fine powder will be used faster.
You can even bust up Gypsum based building plasterboard for a source.
Natural Gypsum is mined from deposits.
Phosphogypsum is a byproduct of Superphosphate, which is derived from phosphate rock. It can contain heavy metals etc.

When I first started investigating pot mix fertilisers, I often over did amendments. That includes an episode of top dressing Citrus rootstock pots with a good handful of coarse,  "slow release" Gypsum. Over time it severely set them back. The rate was too much, and burnt the roots.
Now I would calculate the amount to apply based on the size of the pots.

so i should rather not use the building one then , i will look for a garden friendly gipsum .
So gipsum is highly priced by citrus? I am having some problems with citrus and i think i may have a too acidic soil....citrus NEVER do well for me !

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Calcium carbonate use for tropicals
« on: August 02, 2022, 06:11:06 AM »
A am also interested in gipsum, what tipe of gipsum is generally used? Does the builders gipsum, the one that combined with water hardens up, can be used for amending?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Calcium carbonate use for tropicals
« on: August 02, 2022, 04:34:55 AM »
Calcium carbonate is basically limestone dust, the most common source.
In horticulture it would be used to supply Calcium and increase the pH of soils or pot mix. i.e. to pH balance acid bog peat in pot mix.
Generally the finer the powder, the more pH reactive it is.
Not sure I would be rushing in to apply it to tropicals, unless your pot mix is low pH.
I think many species prefer neutral to slightly acid soil.
There are other Calcium sources that don't alter pH as easily.
Thanks, were talking about plants grown directly into the ground, no pots. Ok i think i have to test my soil firts to see what ph it is, i have the ph strips and a ph meter that will be using and will compare the results  .....

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Calcium carbonate use for tropicals
« on: August 02, 2022, 12:58:49 AM »
I recently had a deficiency on a banana in my gh, one member of the forum suggested me to use calcium carbonate and borax and after i added those two the new leaf of the plant has no defformation.
Now since i have around 3 kilos of calcium carbonate i wonder if i should use it on all of my tropicals in the gh/ fruit plants.
I am planning on removing the mulch ,adding the calcium along with a granular npk fert and placing the mulch back.
Are there any risks to adding calcium carbonate to the soil? How much sould i use, like per square meter if theres such a reccomandation ?
Thank you, have a nice day !

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Usually fragrance is more pronounced at male stage. If I'm pollinating, I usually do it when the flowers first open, if you break a petal to mark the pollinated flower and see that the pollen is well adhered to the center of the flower, you're usually good to go.
Strange, for mey seem to have the most fragrance while their in the female stage. When i do them i do not see the pollen that sticks to the flower , its too small to be seen, however i know i am at leasr getting something in there since i see it on the brush after i dip in the jar. I have around 24 hours from when the flowers first open ,till they start shedding pollen...

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The plants are in full bloom mode now, i have been pollinating flowers from two days ago, i just now happen to have overlapping male and female flowers to work with.
I think i also have the first fruit set on one of the plants, the fruitlet is the size of medium to large pea bean now. Non pollinated flowers just fall off in a week or so, but this one i pollinated with a kinda oldish pollen kept in the fridje but it seems to have worked.
Now what i do is i collect the pollen in the evening, usually its ready arround 7 pm, keep it in a small jar in the fridje till the next day when i pollinate the new females. What remains after pollination i just discard.
What i am wondering is when should i pollinate the females, i mean at what time of the day is best to do this. Today i pollinated about 12 flowers at 2 pm, some of them were barely starting to open but was visible that they would open today later. I wonder since the flowers didnt had any smell to them at the time, should i wait till the fragrance is notecable? Is this a sighn that the flower is ready to accept the pollen ?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Plants that need shade protection?
« on: July 25, 2022, 06:49:55 AM »
Here in BG we are not as warm as California i think, but for me coffee and carambolla do better in a shady condition.
Actually all mu tropicals in the gh are shaded with a shade net, dont know the shade percentage of it thought, looks to be something like 25 %. Cherimoya, guava, surinam cherry, dragonfruit and avocado along others doo quite well in there. Coffee is also there ,but i have added two layers of the dense shade cloth on it, since i added it it resumed growth and is doing way better, it stalled before i added the shade.
Our climates are too different so amma stop here and let others that are closer to u share their experiences.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Guava tree sending runners.
« on: July 23, 2022, 07:32:37 AM »
I also get suckers on my two potted guavas, regular ones. Seems like the pot constraints make them sucker, since i have 4 more in my gh directly in the ground and they do not have any suckers.
Several of the suckers i have are ones that arrised from the uncovered parts of the roots, i should really transplant them soon....

do you think that I should remove them? I am thinking because my guava tree is so tall and the root system seems fairly weak that these runners could help strengthen the plant.
the runners i think do not strenghten the original plant, they are ment to be different plants so the way i see it they produce energy for themselves. To make the original more bushy and stout  u should prune harder and not let the branches just grow straight. The way i do it is i just pinch the new growth after it makes 3-4 new sets of leaves. That way u get a plant thats shorter and more branched .

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Guava tree sending runners.
« on: July 22, 2022, 06:48:11 AM »
I also get suckers on my two potted guavas, regular ones. Seems like the pot constraints make them sucker, since i have 4 more in my gh directly in the ground and they do not have any suckers.
Several of the suckers i have are ones that arrised from the uncovered parts of the roots, i should really transplant them soon....

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Possibly Epsom salt in beginning of spring and end of June supposed to help. Don't forget leave compost, blood meal and bone meal. As you said restrict to much watering during fruiting. This holds good for Jujubes. Most of the ones whom I recommended had luck. But I myself didn't see much of a difference in taste! Last week a friend from Houston called me to thank how sweet his jujubes are this year after following my regimen. Melons supposed to turn sweeter with Epsom salt. But don't forget to provide calcium also as Magnesium retards calcium absorption in plants. Hope this may help. Veseli praznits. Triphal
thanks, well i havend feed them all that well now when i think about it, i only added a granular fert thats designed for berry crops twice this year. I have some calcium carbonate so i will add from this , the other ferts ill have to see if i'll find them fere locally...

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U can guide the branch in the direction u want, since there is a wall behind, the way to save it it to guide it to the front. Personally though i would have pruned it, it seems like a weak branch and not a strong  water shoot or something like the ones that i had on my nectarine. Its below the scaffold branches and a bit too low on the trunk so my advice would be to just prune .....

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Passiflora 'Snow Queen' fruits
« on: July 16, 2022, 07:22:45 AM »
So..    I might probably stop eating those fruits..
It's a pity since they are numerous, and they taste good..   or I could continue eating them, using myself as a guinea pig and make a report weeks later to inform you..


try to do a deep investigation on the species's edibility. U may or may not be fine with eating the fruit....

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Hello! I was given this bonsŠi and determined to save it if possible. I guess Iím just asking if itís a waste of time or if it looks salvageable. I am very new to this and all tips/advice appreciated!

i think that plant may be looking down at u from heaven  ;D ;D....
It may have a chance of surviving' scratch the stem here and there as reccomended above, if the bark is moist and alive looking it may make it.
Not fammiliar with jabos, but it may have a chance of sprouting from the roots also....

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Passiflora 'Snow Queen' fruits
« on: July 16, 2022, 04:36:39 AM »
PS : I also wanted to know if there is any problem to eat mature fruits from this.. ?
Generally, do some Passiflora produce toxic fruits ?

Just for the sight, two flowers of 'Snow Queen'



beautiful blooms ! I think all of the pasiflora fruits have some toxins until they are fully mature' that said there may be some varieties of passiflora that have higher levels of toxicity in their fruit' even when ripe...

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Great news.
I have found that the smell of the blooms can sometimes mimic that of the fruit aroma, that said the fruit aroma can vary dramatically year to year, so it's not always an accurate reflection.

I'd be a little concerned about the narrow crotch angle at the bottom branch, as cherimoyas tend to split when carrying heavy crops.

Some of the branches on my trees inside the gh can be considered as prone to splitting or brakage in the future, but in reality the plants will be short and stout, pruned every year for size measure, the cherimoyas are the ones that get pruned  harder and i will have to make some serious chops in the future.
What i mean is that they wont be getting tree size ,they will be sitting at the bush size forever. I'm severely limiting the crops of the plants this way' but theres no way around it....

On the pic with the sharp croch theres a smaller branch which is coming directly drom inside the croch, i am thinking of removing it some time soon.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Time for air layering ??
« on: July 15, 2022, 05:09:40 PM »
UPDATE ! The guavas are striking slowly, some shy rootlets are visible on the regular guavas trought the transparent nylon bag, res catleyanum has no roots for now. 
Avocado is still a stubborn ,no roots thought a calous is happening probably....
Suriname cherry was done with transparent cups filled with soil, the lowest branches were "planted" into those ,nothing is visible at this point.
I'll take pictures of the new plants once time comes for separation...

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Just wanted to say that this worked like a charm,  both of the plants are now having flower buds at various stages of development, one of them prolly has around a 100 or more flower buds, no flowers overlapping at this stage thought, the earliest ones are blooming ,but awlays together or with too much of a gap between them.....
The flowers smell quite nice, actually just like a ripe cherimoya .

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Banana leaf defformation
« on: July 15, 2022, 04:54:52 PM »
Calcium added today, i gave the plant half a water/ tea cup, hopefully i havent overdone it....

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Banana leaf defformation
« on: July 13, 2022, 11:05:41 PM »
It may take them a little time since its a rock. What I've found is that when I propagate new babies the youngsters will show deficiencies for a while before they start doing their thing. During this period I like to hit them with micronutrients and calcium 3-4 times a week. Once they get going i hit them once a month. I use down to earth products. Their liquid calcium and micronutrients are great in spray form. I've grown 110lb racks. Keep on feeding and watering them
thanks for the info ! I'll start to feed it more heavily. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Banana leaf defformation
« on: July 13, 2022, 03:24:39 PM »
Probably fine, but it will be hard to get a cup full to feed your banana!
i ordered 3 kilos from the stuff , not the tablet one but the regular.....i awready added boraks, let we see how the patient reacts....

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / How to make blackberries sweeter ?
« on: July 13, 2022, 03:10:17 AM »
I have two varieties planted together' Karaka Black and Loch Ness. They are with different ripening seasons 'the karaka is doing its thing right now and the loch ness will be shortly after the karaka finishes.
Sooo the karaka fruits are very big and juicy but kinda lack sweetness. Ive found that i need to wait until thefruit drops or is just about to drop and detaches with the slightest of pull, thats when the flavour is most complex and the fruit is the sweetest.
Now how can i make both of the varieties sweeter, sould i stop wattering them while they are ripening? Wright now i am giving them some water every other day, their soil i usually dryish but the plants do not show sighns of water stress?
Thanks, here are a few pics...
I should also add that the plants are still young, its their second year and second fruiting ,so they sould be improving as they age up ?









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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Help me understand plant feeding
« on: July 13, 2022, 12:00:06 AM »
One big nursery I know says never fertilize twice with the same fertilizer.
every time you fertlilize give the plant something different then the previous round.
Taking notes is a very good idea.
  thanks, i usually use several brands of ferts ,but havent used them this way, i'll start to rotate them.

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