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With the Dolores Red seedless guava mother tree in La habra gone (not available), I am looking for someone who bought a tree from JF and willing to sell scions from it.

I will have 8 Hawaiian White Pirie mango trees for sale (local buy only) in spring 2021....after the covid pandemic subsides a little.
They are in 2, 3, or 5 gallon pots. 
They were cleft or veneer grafted onto Kent rootstocks.
They vary in size from 2-3 feet tall at this time.
They have been grown in a 50/50 peat moss and perlite mixture.
The price will likely be between $50-$80.

I am putting a feeler out there, as there is limited stock.
Please let me know if you are interested in reserving one.

There are also small trees of alphonso (5gal pot), juicy peach (2gal pot), and PPK (5gal pot).

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Anybody have Brander Mango or more info on it?
« on: September 17, 2018, 11:05:12 PM »
Just saw a Sulcata Grove YouTube video on Brander Mango.
Anyone have this mango variety or info on it?  Although it didn't score high marks from Sulcata, I am still interested and curious, as this is the only mango I know with an apple/applesauce flavor profile.   I'm not sure of the accuracy of the information on the Internet, but it may originate from Southeast Asia.

I will giving a presentation "Growing Mangos in Southern California, a hobbyist's perspective"
1.  August 4, 2018 at the LA Arboretum in Arcadia, CA for the Foothill CRFG group.
Parking is free.
Admission is free if you tell the Arboretum staff you are going to the Foothill CRFG meeting. 

2.  September 20, 2018 at the OC CRFG meeting (@ First Congregational Church in Santa Ana) at 7:30 pm.

Fruit charactersitics
Tree charactersitics
Soil/potting soils
Diseases and control
Pests and control
Flower to fruit
Newer Florida varieties
Where to buy trees?
Where to buy scions?
Where to buy fruits?
Good References for mango information
Q and A

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Brutal heatwave 7/06/18 in Socal
« on: July 07, 2018, 11:51:41 AM »
Had a brutal heatwave in SoCal yesterday.  Reached at least 111F yesterday.  Some folks reached 117F.
Was extremely lucky... didn't appear to have any immediate serious tree damage because I soaked trees the night before and sprayed intermittently on leaves throughout the day.  Younger leaves shriveled up like prunes and small fruit fell off. Pushed mango grafts made in May and early June seem to have miraculously survived (although some were in a shaded greenhouse).  Last week's mango grafts may be a different story.  Hopefully the vented shade paper bags over the recent grafts helped. Will know more in a week or less.  Crossing my fingers.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Anona Rosada seeds for sale (SOLD OUT)
« on: December 29, 2017, 06:03:40 PM »
Anona Rosada seeds for sale:
Updated 1/3/18: $20 for 10 seeds (free shipping; USA only)

I have 30 seeds total.
Reply here that you are interested and then send me a PM.  I can accept Paypal payment.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / When should Harvest Moon be picked?
« on: August 16, 2015, 09:10:03 PM »
Just wondering when Harvest Moon should be picked.
The fruit was a little soft to the squeeze, but did not give when I did the 90 degree twist.
The color is not quite the same as the picture on TT's website, despite having decent sun exposure.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Marlys mango
« on: August 16, 2015, 12:18:45 AM »
Has anyone tried this fairly new Zill's release - Marlys mango?
I was curious on its taste/flavor and texture.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Mango patents
« on: January 11, 2015, 01:04:12 PM »
I did advanced searches on the USPTO website and it seems that Coconut Cream (C-20) is the only one of Zills new creations to have a patent (current and in effect).   
Can anyone else here confirm this? 
I saw one FL nursery website that says Zill's Sweet Tart was patented, but could not independently verify this either.

Edit:  The reason I ask is that I am trying to determine what we can legally propagate (i.e. create backup trees, scion trade) and CC is the only one that legally shows up as a no-go.

I also checked to see if Tim Thompson's new mango varieties were officially patented and came up with zero...I guess in process?


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Mango and Citrus grafting day
« on: April 18, 2014, 08:28:15 PM »
Well,  I spent the better half of today with my friend ML grafting 20 mango scions and a couple citrus scions.
We did mostly cleft and offset cleft (if there is such a term) grafts, but had a few veneer grafts.
We used 1/2 inch tree tie tape to secure/wrap tight all the scions and 1/2 inch Parafilm grafting tape to seal the grafting union joints. All the cut/refrigerated  scions were previously sealed with Parafilm-M the night before.  For the veneer grafts, we also used pruning sealer at the top of the joint.

On the in-ground Glenn tree, I grafted 11 Hawaiian (at least grown in Hawaii) varieties ; white tags not all in view): 
White Pirie, Gouveia, Exel, Golden Glow, Mapulehu (Joe Welch), Ah-Ping, Rapoza, Pope, Momi-K, Kurashige, and Fukuda (...I am only missing Harders and Smith now)

On the 2nd cocktail tree (25 gallon potted), I grafted another White Pirie and Gouveia, and added a Harumanis.   This tree previously had  Brenner (Ah-Ping seedling), VP, Glenn, and Alphonso.

The third tree, which I call my Indian mango cocktail tree (15 gallon potted Kent seedling) was grafted with a Neelam and Amrapali.  There is plenty more room for other Indian varieties...once I find them (interested in Jehangir, Langra Banarsi, Kesar, Banganpalli, Chaunsa, & Alampur Baneshan... to name a few).

I also grafted 2 additional White Pirie, 1 Gouveia, and 1 Glenn scion onto LaVerne Manila rootstocks.

On my dwarf Cara Cara orange tree, I grafted a Gold Nugget mandarin, Meyer lemon, and Tahiti Seadless lime.

A special thanks to Oscar (fruitlovers) and my friend ML who supplied the scions for today's adventure!
I can't wait for the grafts to take!  That was a long day, but hopefully well worth it.

All this work being done today is in preparation for a Southern California Mango Scion Exchange Project that I am currently working on.   More details will come out another day....but for now, I will say:
[Edit]  I am currently working on the mango scion exchange list, which identifies about 160 mango varieties that SoCal'ers can purchase trees/scions for from California, Hawaii, and certified Florida nurseries.
The list also contains information on fruiting season, flavor/texture, fiber level, exterior color, fruit size, disease resistance, tree size/growth habit, production, embryo type, parentage/origin, and creator/importer of each variety.  There is a lot of work left to complete.  It is difficult to gather information because some of the characteristics exhibited in FL are not applicable to CA... and taste, for example, is subjective.  The list also identifies what each interested SoCal member wants and what varieties each SoCal member has.  The goal is to create a match-maker list that will match a person's mango wish list with a local mango scion donor.  One day, we may do a scion exchange like the CRFG does, but for mangos only.
But for now, my first goal is to complete the Mainland west coast (CA) trials of the performance of Hawaiian mango varieties.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Linda macadamia nut
« on: April 05, 2014, 01:28:24 AM »
Anybody have more information on the Linda macadamia nut (heritage, taste, size, hard-shelled?) or have one of these trees?
I saw these trees at my local Home Depot ($24), but I know they can also be directly purchased from Clausen's Nursery in Vista, CA (I think they are the maybe a Vista creation?).  I could not find any literature on the Linda variety, unlike the established Cates and Beaumonts that have been sold in Southern California for decades. 

I believe Linda's are a hard-shelled variety based on its spiny leaves.  I also think these Linda's sold are seedlings or air layered, as I could not see a graft line on the trees. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Grafting video
« on: April 05, 2014, 12:33:32 AM »
I recently bought a grafting video titled "Techniques of Grafting" for $12.  It is a video produced by the Orange County California Rare Fruit Growers.   

It is a nice video for the novice grafter.  It covered:
Splice graft
Bark graft
Cleft graft
Air Layering
Clonal Propagation (clonal stock)
Scion wood
Graft tools

Unfortunately, the video did not cover veneer or t-bud grafts.  But I guess these techniques can be found on Youtube  (i.e. Dr. Richard Campbell's video on mango veneer grafting).

Nevertheless, I found the video to be very informative.  I wish I had purchased this video earlier when I started this new hobby.

In case anyone is interested in obtaining this video:

Thank you Daniel Nelson (Director of Nursery Operations) for the tour of LaVerne Nursery!

TFF group assembles in front of the office

Growhouse #1 where avocado grafting (cleft) is done...rootstock used is Zutano

Growhouse #2 avocado and mangos

Baby Manila mangos in growhouse #2

Medium Manila mangos in growhouse #2 (these were planted 01/05/14...amazing how fast they grow in a controlled ~80 degrees F)

Source of grafted mango scions in growhouse #2

2nd source of grafted mango scions in outdoor shade "house"

Growhouse #3 grafted mangos (veneer grafts)

more Growhouse #3 grafted mangos and apples

Outdoor shade house

Another picture of outdoor shade house

Cherries (i.e. Lapins) in outdoor shade house

Bananas in greenhouse within outdoor shade house

Berries in outdoor shade house

Dragonfruit in outdoor shade house

Cherimoyas in outdoor shade house

Cherimoyas galore in the outdoor shade house

Irrigation system in outdoor shade house

Loquats in outdoor shade house

Source of dragonfruit cuttings ...outdoors

Source of avocado scions ...outdoors

Agricultural inspectors from Ventura County

Pineapple guava (Feijoa) in outdoor growing area

Outdoor growing area

Another outdoor growing area picture

Citrus in outdoor growing area

Outdoor staging area where vendors (i.e. Home Depot and Lowes) load up...was a slow day as there were no semi trucks.

Watch for new items from LaVerne in the coming years:  grafted Alphonso mangos and grafted Jan Boyce avocados.

That was a fun day!  It got a little windy near the end.
We also got a chance to hear the monthly testing of the emergency early warning system from Piru Dam.  Wow that was loud!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Trouble with Nam Doc Mai mango flowering?
« on: February 13, 2014, 10:55:15 PM »
Does anyone have trouble getting Nam Doc Mai #4 mango trees to flower and fruit in the coastal areas (i.e. Carlsbad, CA)?
I gave a La Verne Nursery grafted Nam Doc Mai #4 tree to my friend many years ago and he has never had it fruit, let alone flower.
The tree is well over 6 feet tall and looks really healthy, but is in a 20 gallon pot.
Should he give it more fertilizer with phosphorous or is this mango variety just too difficult to grow in Carlsbad's coastal climate?

I wanted to know if any of the SoCal mango enthusiasts are interested in a tour of LaVerne Nursery in Piru, CA. 
I met the Director of Operations at last week's Cherimoya tasting event and he informed me today that LaVerne can accomodate a small group tour of their 80-acre facility.

Who is interested? PLEASE RSVP to me.

UPDATED 2/28/14:
Unfortunately, the nursery cannot accomodate weekends because of their busy spring schedule.
However, the schedule is looking okay for Fridays.

The date is confirmed:
FRI March 7, 2014
11am (please be there 15 minutes earlier if possible)
Tour is 1.5 to 2 hours in duration (Mangos, other subtropicals, avocados, cherries, citrus....what else would you like to see?)

Bring good walking shoes...Nursey has a mud and gravel surface.

Pictures and video of plants and the nursery can be taken.  However, NO PICTURES OF LAVERNE PERSONNEL OR WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS ALLOWED.

Plant/tree purchases will be made available to usCash payment only on 3/7/14.  I am submitting the pre-order list to LaVerne on SAT 03/01/14 .

LaVerne Nursery's address is:
355 N Main, Piru, CA 93040

More updates to follow. 

Just ran across this announcement from the CRFG Foothill case you missed the OC scion event a few weeks ago.

February 1, 2014, 9:30 am: Annual Scion Wood Exchange
Los Angeles Arboretum

Annual Scion Wood Exchange and Grafting demonstration. Bring your favorite cultivars (but not ones with current patents). Martin Koning-Bastiaan will do a grafting demonstration, assisted by other experienced chapter members' thoughts and techniques.

At the Irvine cherimoya tasting event today, I got a chance to chat with the Director of Nursery Operations of LaVerne Nursery (Piru, CA).

Here is the latest information on La Verne SoCal mangos:
1. La Verne will soon begin to sell grafted Alphonso mangos.   
2. La Verne is experimenting with Turpentine rootstock.
Manila seedling is currently used for rootstock.  I was told that LaVerne uses the largest/healthiest sprout as rootstock. 
3. I discussed their practice of high mango graft lines and expressed a desire (on behalf of home growers/enthusiasts) for a lower graft line.   LaVerne practices veneer grafts, and the high graft lines appears to give them the most opportunities for success if the initial graft fails.
4. I was informed that a new mango orchard(s) in Ojai, CA is in the works.  Watch out Coachella Valley!
5. I submitted a list of commonly bought/desired mango trees (by the SoCal Tropical Fruit Forum members) in hopes of encouraging LaVerne to begin experimenting with other varieties for SoCal propagation. They currently only propagate Glenn, Gold Nugget, Haden, Keitt, Kent, Manila, Nam Doc Mai#4, Thompson, Timotayo, Tommy Atkins,  Valencia Pride, and Villasenor. In general, LaVerne will always be less expensive than PIN, TT, and POG because of shipping costs to CA.  However, I was told that LaVerneís mango propagation program is currently limited by the availability of a reliable source of budwood and the ability of that mango variety to thrive in the SoCal climate.

Looking to purchase mango scions (for shipment to CA in spring) for the following Indian mango cultivars:
Langra Banarasi
Dussheri (Dasheri)
Chausa (Chaunsa)

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Mango varieties sold by PIN
« on: January 11, 2014, 01:03:18 PM »
Does anyone have an updated list of current mango varieties produced/sold by PIN?
There appears to be at least one or more mango varieties that are or will be available for sale that are not in the published PIN mango viewer list.
1) PIN's mango viewer shows 39 mango varieties in pictures, but their list on the right of the mango viewer identifies only 38.  Pim Saen Meun was left accidentally off the right side listing.
2) I recall that Bendersgrove said Galaxy (Keitt cross) is a new mango variety that will be for sale in the Spring 2014.
3) Yesterday, I was made aware by Champa Nursery (El Monte, CA) that Coconut Cream (Edwards crossed with Gary) is available for purchase from PIN, but I did not see this on their website.
Just wondering if there are any more unlisted PIN varieties that we can ask SoCal nurseries to purchase in the Spring.



Floridians really have it lucky when it comes to mango tree varieties. 
In the Los Angeles CA area, Mimosa LA is probably the largest retailer of mango trees from Florida.  But the selection is very limited these days and the prices are high (relative to Florida) due to shipping and CA phyto certs.  Mimosa LA either grafts mango trees onto manila rootstock themselves or buys mango trees from PIN grafted on turpentine rootstock.

There was not much of a great 50% off sale for the last 2 years at Mimosa LA, even with the mango trees repotted up to larger size pots.  However, there are still trees that are 50% off, but were mainly the ones in poorer condition (I saw Carrie, NDM, Elephant (Lancetilla)).

Donít get me wrong, there are a lot of nice looking mango trees at Mimosa LA, but Angelinos have to pay the CA price. 
Small trees grafted by Mimosa onto Manila rootstock were tagged $85 (Pim Saen Mun, VP, NDM, Alphonso). 

I donít know what Mimosa will actually sell these for today.  [In the past, a tagged $90 tree had a 11% discount with a final price of $80]

7 gallon mango trees were tagged $180, but are selling for ~30% off (Final price $125).  The limited varieties I saw were Carrie, NDM, VP, Elephant (Lancetilla), and Alphonso.  There were a few that seem to be unlabeled, but I didnít check for labels on the pot itself.

15 gallon trees were tagged at a whopping $290 (with ~30% off = $200 final price).  The only variety I saw was Carrie.
20 gallon trees were tagged at $350 (with ~30% off = $245 final price).  The limited varieties I saw were Glen, Po Pyu Kalay, and Alphonso.

5 gallon repotted mango trees were in quarantine and will probably be sold in Spring.  They had dozens of Kent, Alphonso, and VP trees.  There were also two 7 gallon quarantined Mallikaís.

In the past, Mimosa LA has also sold Florigon, Edwards, Keitt, Haden, and Gold Nugget.
I wish Mimosa LA would buy additional varieties from PIN like Baileyís Marvel, Bombay, Brahm Kai Meu, Choc Anon, Cogshall, Cushman, Fairchild, Graham, Ice Cream, Jakarta, Okrung, Pickering, Springfels, Tebow (Young), and Zill to name a few.  Better yet, I wish Mimosa LA would buy additional varieties that are exclusively sold at Excalibur, Zills, POG, or TT.  But thatís probably all just wishful thinking.
For now, to get these other varieties, Angelinos have to order them ourselves from Florida (PIN, TT, POG) with higher shipping costs...shipping prices have skyrocketed within the last 2 years!
Although there are mango varieties propagated by Laverne Nursery in CA (Manila, Haden, Timotayo, Gold Nugget, Kent, Keitt, NDM, Villasenor, Thompson, Tommy, VP) the CA propagation selection comes nowhere near what is offered in Florida.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Watering potted mango trees
« on: November 28, 2013, 11:42:30 AM »
Hello All.  Happy Thanksgiving!

I have enclosed a picture of what I believe is the result of overwatering for a potted mango tree.  I have read posts elsewhere that the symptoms of overwatering and underwatering are similar ....resulting in browing tips of mango leaves.  Is this true?

I have shown the front and back sides of the 2 leaves from a 15 gallon potted Mallika mango tree in Southern California (SoCal).

The moisture meter [Hampton Bay three way (moisture, light, pH) conductivity 9 inch probe] is 6/10 after yesterday's watering, which means that it is very moist, but not wet.
My friend and I debated whether these meters are accurate.
On another post, CTMIAMI stated
"The only real accurate moisture indicator is a Tensionmeter. That is what I use, after spending hundreds of dollars is others over the years."
I'm thinking about this $100+ investment.

Mimosa Los Angeles (LA), where the Mallika mango tree was purchased, told me that their [Southern California] potted mango watering guidelines are:
Summer:  Water every 5 days (3 if extemely hot).  Fill it to the rim (2-3 inches of water) once.  Let it drain fully.  Fill it to the rim a 2nd time.
Winter:  Water every 15 days.  Fill it to the rim (2-3 inches of water ) only once.

I didn't ask for any advice for Fall or Spring watering...
so I interpreted Fall and Spring as water every 5-7 days, filling it to the rim (2-3 inches of water) only once....perhaps less after looking at my pics?
Sometimes it is harder to estimate this if the potting soil is filled high to the rim like mine is.
But I probably should switch to the winter watering schedule now that nighttime temperatures in SoCal will drop below 50degF really soon.

Any opinions?


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Painted Mango Collection
« on: November 16, 2013, 02:24:46 AM »
I was curious if anyone has bought any of the new line of cold hardy mangoes (Painted Mango Collection) at socalplantbreeders?!mango-varieties-currently-avai/comb
I saw tiered price(s) mentioned on another website...seemed reasonable for So Cal, but never confirmed them.

25degF hardiness seems to be pretty good!
I was really curious/interested in these mangoes for So Cal, but it appears there wasn't enough for a taste sampling this year.  Most of the varieties were described as sweet, mild flavor.
2 of the 10 varieties appear to be out of stock until 2015...those 2 were described as aromatic.
Its kind of tough to make an assessment based on the website descriptions alone.  Looks like it may take about 2-3 years before we hear feedback from other growers.
With the thousands of seeds that were tested and hybridization, I'd imagine that it was difficult to keep track of the parent(s) for each of the 10 new mango types in the collection. I didn't see the parent(s) published anywhere in their website.



Tropical Fruit Discussion / my mango collection and observations
« on: November 15, 2013, 07:14:21 PM »
Hi everyone.  This is my first start new topic post.
I wanted to share my lineup of fairly new mango trees and give my observations.

Lineup of potted mango trees:

From left to right:
1. Mallika (PIN grown, purchased from Mimosa LA today in a 7 gallon pot and transferred to a 15 gallon pot).  I heard so many good things about this variety in So Cal.  This will be fun to figure out when to pick it...from what I have read.
2. Multi-grafted Glenn, Alfonso, Valencia Pride (VP), and Haden? (purchased from Mimosa LA in Nov 2012 in a 20 gallon pot).  See comments below (close-up of multi-grafted tree).
3. Timotayo (La Verne Nursery grown, purchased from Lowes in Oct 2013)...MangoProfessor's creation that he supposedly lost patent control over by ownership change and mistake at La Verne Nursery.  Let's see how cold hardy this variety is...although it doesn't really get too cold where I live in North Orange County CA (zone 10b).
4. Carrie (PIN grown, purchased in summer 2013 from Mimosa LA in a 15 gallon pot).  Had 1 fruit that was flavorful but not sickening sweet as PIN and others have described.  In fact, I felt it was a little tart.  But the flesh was very fragrant near the skin.  This must be the piney taste that I have heard people describe.  According to Gilbert at Mimosa LA, I picked it just a little too early.  It had a yellow patch on the sunny facing side and it came off the tree fairly easily in a 90 degree twist.  Next year, I will wait a little longer...maybe yellow at the bottom beak....which would mean picking in mid-October.
5. Keitt (La Verne nursery grown, purchased from Lowes in May 2013 in a 5 gallon pot and transferred to a 7 gallon pot).  Probably will get fruit in 2 years.
6. Manila mango puchased from Home Depot in winter 2012-3 and used for grafting experiments.  Still in its 5 gallon pot.  Haven't been successful at grafting yet.

Close-up of the multi-grafted tree:

Glenn at middle right...can you believe this tiny little graft delivered 3 good sized fruit this year.  Sweet and flavorful. Yellow-orange color inside.
VP on far left...delivered 1 nice fruit.  Very sweet and flavorful...with a little tartness.
Alfonso in middle of picture ....didn't fruit.  Anxiously waiting for next year.
Haden at top (cut off in picture) ...I don't think it is a Haden based on shape and taste.  Gilbert and Tom at Mimosa LA claim the tree was originally a Haden from La Verne before they grafted onto it.  However, the 3 fruit from it this year was extremely elongated shaped (like Maha Chanok) and sweet, but lacked any tropical mango flavor that is characteristic of Haden.  There was also a lot of fiber at the seed.  Maybe I will top work this someday with another variety.  I'll give it 1 more chance this year.

In-ground tree:

Bought this tree 10 years ago (in 2003) from Mimosa Anaheim.  It was already an adult size (5-6 ft tall) in a 2 ft wide box and was labelled "Indian".
I thought it was a Baileys Marvel tree until I compared it against a "real" Glenn fruit this year from my multi-grafted tree.  I compared outward appearance, color inside, texture, flavor, size of seed).  I do note that the fruit should not be allowed to ripen too long on the tree as it becomes acidity/sour if you let it stay too long.  If it falls on the ground, it is generally overripe.
Its kind of weird...I use the smell test to determine when to pick it.  If I can smell the tropical mango scent at the skin, then its ready to pick.  Color alone doesn't determine ripeness, especially the ones that are inside the canopy and green.
My tree is now 10 feet tall in the ground and a favorite amongst my family.  It has been pruned every year, but never at the top.  It is pruned because I planted it too close to the wall and I wanted to prevent the tree from tipping over.  The growth is relatively slow and matches the characteristic of the Glenn.  Now I am curious if anyone here in So Cal has a Bailey's Marvel.

Whew...sorry for the long post.

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