The Tropical Fruit Forum

How would you rate Khaled#1 vs the other three giants in taste?

Damn it my first narrow leaf with fruits on it died from nematodes and now my second one got chewed up by javelinas

My Daisy SL taste better than the Lee&Nova so far.  They are next to each other both on C22 rootstock. 
Daisy is harder to peel, but has firmer pulp than the L&N.  The birds prefer the Daisy too.

When an airlayered branch has been detached from the source tree and planted should it be cut back, defoliated, neither or both? If it needs trimming and or leaf removal how much?

Depends on the airlayer size and root ball and species.  Cutting off all younger growth and leaving the hardier part of the airlayer with some tougher mature leaves would give you the best survival rate.  More important to make sure it survives than having a bigger looking airlayer temporarily.  Then clear bag it with holes and keep it in the shade for a few weeks.  Gradually increase the holes and sunlight as it grows it's roots.

I unknowingly bought two trees with Simon's supercalifornia mango rootstock. Those two trees have outgrown my other 30 trees here in Southern California by a wide margin. My lemon zest is about 20 plus feet tall and my sweetheart is 15 ft tall and wide it must have held 60 or 70 fruit this year. I planted the trees about four or five years ago, and this is after losing a third of the sweet tart to a broken branch. Those two trees are on autopilot when it grows. My standard lemon zest constantly has to have Deadwood pruned way. The lemon zest on the super rootstock is on autopilot

That's great.  Where can you buy the SuperCA? The 13-1 is supposed to be kind of a slower grower.

Nice.  You didn't even use shade cloth?  I notice that when high temps were over 112, regardless of shade, the new growth gets burned up.  Especially when consecutive days.  Below 112, the new growth is good beneath shade (40-50%) cloth, with a few trees a little chlorotic.  I recently picked up a couple 13-1 seedlings so was curious how they were doing for you.

No shade cloth, but it gets shade before 3pm and it's close to a bigger tree which improves humidity and cooling effect.
I haven't used shade cloth in a long time because it provides no humidity and cooling effect.  Moringa works much better especially for bigger trees.

Very useful info CeeJey.  How did your jabos do in the winter and this summer?  Any standouts?

I ordered Daisy SL from CCPP and grafted it on Seville Sour and later on C22.  The C22 tree is healthier, more productive and taste better than the SSO tree.  Daisy SL taste excellent.  It's big, juicy and sweet with some tang.  I would say it's a strong classic mandarin flavor.  The tree is vigorous so is suitable for AZ unlike satsumas.  Some drawbacks are ugly twisted leaves, slightly less easy to peel than some other mandarins and have fruit split issues.  The fruit split issue is worse when the tree is young and the Phoenix desert conditions don't help.  Despite all the split fruit, production is still decent.  I think it is under patent so can't propagate it anymore.

I have Chislett navel orange(excellet sweet tasting last season navel), which is now also under some kind of license.  Does anyone know how navels like Everhard and Gillenberg compare to Washington?

Steve, the one is supposed to have white flesh, and the other orange flesh. I only got many fruits on the orange flesh grafts so far and a small handful of fruits from the white flesh. Both of these are seedling trees from Mr. Gugly in Italy. He says both are extra-large fruits.

1) Guglielmo I = Imperiale
2) Guglielmo II = white flesh loquat

I see. Which one taste better?  Do they have thick skin?

I wonder too.  Maybe they really suck at grafting loquat and are using the approach grafting method.

oops wrong thread

A longer study in Texas also concluded C22 is best:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/43272620_Evaluation_of_citrus_rootstocks_for_the_high_pH_calcareous_soils_of_South_Texas

Search and read my posts on C-22 C22 rootstock.  They are actually not hard to root.  Order some budwood from CCPP and rooting them is faster than grafting.