The Tropical Fruit Forum

I usually bring in papaya without thinking about what plant it was off. I am trying to remember and let you know if one is much better than another per a possible factor.

I just brought in a roundish papaya in almost full sunshine as on south side of a mamey sapote that is not too big. It is sweet and full of seeds. I had previously fertilized it 1 to 2 months ago as this and the extra sunshine is my guess as to why it is sweeter.

I picked 2 papaya today off a tree that fell over during Sept. when raining a lot but has since reestablished and started growing. Unfortunately it fell toward the house and the top I lifted with a brick to see if the papaya would finish maturing. They did but all have been bland and I'm guessing it is due to the house blocking the sun after 1pm on the top leaves. It also was not pollinated and seedless vs. the other roundish papaya about 50 yards away.

A greater amount of sunshine increases chance of a sweeter papaya.

Once it is living, the next question is will it bear fruit. I will go to that.

Carrie: Thick foliage bears fruit well  in low light when buried within the canopy with black material on the limbs but yet still bearing fruit often unknown to all till they fall from the tree.

OK Kaz, what's the total count??

You Solicited forum members to guess a total.... Why don't you follow through and give the total after Soliciting people to guess the number of Fuyu's??

We'll have to start new topic, "Mango Season 2024."

Per Lee Corso "Not So Fast"

If your able to keep the birds, squirrels, rats, etc. etc. etc. off Keitt Mango... In South Florida, Keitt mango are possible to hang on the tree Late into November as seen today...








Update 12.4.2023..... Yes... Keitt Mango hanging on tree in December in South Florida

I spent about 4hrs picking all the fruits from this tree yesterday, also thinned some fruits from the one next to it.

=======   FREE PERSIMMON OFFER ============     

If anyone can guess how many fruits I ended up picking after 4hrs of hard labor, you get a free medium box (USPS) of Fuyu persimmons.

You can make your guess here (only 1 guess per member), and I will give the box of free Fuyu fruits to the first 2 people that guess closest to the total amount of fruits picked.

-> You must be a forum member to participate. This contest will end on Weds, 11/8
-> Lower 48 states

Here's a clue ---> It was more than 320 fruits

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Hmmmmm I would guess but regardless of my guess and regardless of the amount of time till the contest ends, I see the winners posted already as per instructions unless you decide to change the above, "I will give the box of free Fuyu fruits to the first 2 people that guess closest to the total amount of fruits picked".

The first 2 posted guesses have won unless rules are revised, regardless of time... They were the first 2 and both guessed already and both were closest per the total set of first 2.

Perhaps the word "first"  should have been omitted. lol

🐸My goal is to help Florida and humankind🐸
https://youtu.be/m81un5CKUk4?si=lqPaCYk4h36mF-OO

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3202163/

Below the video link there is the first study he lists and thus I assume most important to him but maybe not as I went to read the Discussion section of the reported study of many variables of weight/cholesterol/age/concentration of PFPA and Concentrations of PFOS levels; way too many variables for my liking. But regardless did you read what they wrote in Discussion as I'm not sure you did...

There is a significant Negative association between serum PFOS and a reported diagnosis of osteoarthritis.
That means less arthritis association than expected with highest serum PFOS individuals.

PFOA was reported to have a significant Positive association between PFOA and osteoarthritis.
The positive association of PFOA with osteoarthritis also appeared evident only at serum concentration above the mean of the US general population, suggesting a possible threshold effect for the association.

Soooo, they did find a positive association for osteoarthritis for 1 of the 2 (if serum concentrations were elevated above the mean of the US general population)....

Let's see what else they said clearly has a postive association for osteoarthritis::: 1. Female gender 2. Obesity, 3. Advancing age 4. lower educational level 5. poverty 6.Chronic comorbid conditions....7. Serum Cholesterol 8. Serum Uric Acid levels 9. etc. etc. etc. with many many things that have a positive correlation to osteoarthritis.....

Sooo, how is it that only 1 of the many many many positive associations to osteoarthritis is in your video is the one positive association that you tell us you are trying to get your friend and everyone else to believe is why he has osteoarthritis?

Yes, I see he does not agree with you for the reason he has osteoarthritis and perhaps many of the Eight other listed positive factors he feels is much more likely to be the cause of his osteoarthritis....

I do not recommend taking PFOS to increase serum levels of PFOS as they report a negative association between high serum PFOS and osteoarthritis.... I would suggest weight loss, lower your serum uric acid levels, get more educated, avoid poverty, avoid other chronic comorbid conditions by staying healthy exercising as much as your physician allows and see them regularly. These suggestions would probably be more meaningful to the world & your friend than your suggestion.

Nice pictures in video.... But tell me your opinion once instead of every 5 minutes in video repeating your harping on plastics and forever chemicals as the material cited does not agree with your opinion at least not the first listed....

I also like seeing you attempting more of a natural farming and seeing the native weeds growing with the editable plants.. I'm curious as to how fast they will grow vs. conventional practices and videos are a very nice comparison experience.

I do a lot a recycling plants/wood/etc. and also have an area that is close to but not as thick with natural plants as you.... So I will be looking for more of your farming efforts/ideas.

Ladies and gentlemen, we are at peak Mexican Kent season. I picked up a dozen Kents at Aldi last week and they were absolute perfection.  Deep orange flesh, smooth as butter, and sweet like Sunny D. Relatively undersized as Kents go, but packed a flavor punch in a small package. 
Now I know that store bought mangos have a poor reputation, but these Kents were better than most of the FL grown mangos I had shipped to me this year.  At $.59 each, it was a steal. Get ‘‘em before they’re gone.

By your experiences, you seem to be describing what I see in most of my mango varieties during their fruiting season. The first mangos to ripen/fall off and on the ground of almost any variety, does so for a reason and.... it usually is not good. I expect first fruits of a variety to usually be less sweet and less tasty than middle to end of season variety fruits, and this is for all varieties I have and I have about 50 varieties.

 

I'm eating my next to last Kent now and it is far far better than my first kents a month ago. It is very sweet, with a hint of the tropical fruit punch type taste.

Quote from: Bush2Beach on August 27, 2023, 01:14:47 PM

This theory holds true for all fruits and vegetables!
Most people are unaware our imported fruits are not only picked green from foreign but boiled to ensure sub par taste and dissuade further ripening.

Another thing is I don't know if it's a western or American thing but we don't seem to like paying for expensive or quality fruits and vegetables.  Most people i know either grew up with fruits or immigrants that would pay premiumn prices. 

Lies have become the norm since the 1960's with Nixon on. Thus there is no reason for people to believe our produce is better than imported early picked. The public is lied to daily and the consumer just looks at the price and the size of the fruit and "hopes" it will be good tasting.

I see no solution to the problem.

Farmers markets, home sales, and places like tropical acres & truly tropical are our best bet for changing the public perception. But even then, many go back to the supermarket to take the gamble for "perhaps" getting a cheap good tasting mango etc.

The OS I have on Atalufo rootstock is indeed very vigorous and very dense. Going on it's 4th year grafted in and I still can't get it to hold fruit, it just wants to grow. I girdled a few branches that caused it to flower, but it shed the fruit and went right back to vegging when they were pea-sized.

over 30 yrs ago bought my property/house and it had a pig pen area that nothing wanted to grow in and still not sure why.
About 4 years ago planted a OS in that spot and it proceeded to send out blooms and fruit for 2 years in a row although only 3 ft tall. I've been throwing fertilizer on it and I got a little growth this year after picking off all but 1 fruit and fell off very early this year.

I took scions and grafted seedling trees this year and they are growing fine in other locations on the property.

So, yours grows with no fruit and mine fruits with almost no growth due to something in the soil at that spot.... So, if you like to experiment add too much of almost any mineral or change the ph to less desirable levels and see if you can get growth stoped without killing the tree and I bet it will bloom and set fruit next year... Just IMO.

2nd/3rd/ etc. mangos this year still eating::: Carrie is typical for me in Aug. but this is the first year to get Glen on a few trees. I just finished a delicious Glen Just like in the spring. But I only have a few maybe 6 more after picking 4 on the trees (on more than 1 tree this partial bloom harvest late).

Trickling out slowly in Aug: Maalika, Orange essence, LZ, Sweet Tart. Valencia Pride, Cac, Super Julie, Tebow aka Young, Edgar, M4,Cotton Candy, Nam Doc Mai just saw 1 more on the tree.

Not yet half harvested: Kent, Venus, Rapoza.

Waiting their Day to Arrive: Various Keitt (They get sweeter and sweeter as the Day goes by) Awaiting sweetness to increase to top expected levels before selling. Only sold a few large Keitt after sampling a sweet tree's harvest but will not sell Little Keitt yet as IMO too soon at this location.

I see this search so often, especially by the "experts" looking for ways to decrease expense of trimming hundreds of trees after fruit harvest. The current way is by trimming part of the canopy after harvest. I will propose other ways for them to ponder:::

1. The relationship between canopy and root system. Instead of canopy reduction, focus your attention on root system reduction as there is a parallel relationship between the two.
One of the factors to consider is decreasing root size without causing root disease and some options will work better than others IMO but have not tried them, just imagined the outcomes.
A. Cutting roots with machinery like a ditch witch around the canopy; however this might be just as time consuming/expensive as just cutting part of the canopy.
B. Adding substances to the soil to stress the tree and decrease tree growth (this will probably increase the odds of fruit set and bloom the following year IMO).
     1. Borates/boric acid: already known to be needed in small amounts by the tree. However larger amounts should decrease root growth/canopy growth. It is just a matter of determining the dosage without killing the tree. It should be quicker/less expensive than canopy cutting reduction.
     2. Copper/various formulations: already known to be needed in small amounts by the tree. However larger amounts should decrease root growth/canopy growth.  Unknown dosage to stress the tree without killing the tree.
     3. Magnesium/chlorine: already known to be needed in small amounts by the tree. However larger amounts should decrease root growth/canopy growth. Unknown dosage to stress the tree without killing the tree.
     4. Calcium and all the other minerals: most minerals are known to be needed in small amounts by the tree. However larger amounts  of most should be able to decrease root growth/canopy growth.
     5. Soil Ph adjustments: once again root growth can be slowed by lowering/raising PH soil levels to unfavorable levels to decrease root and canopy growth.

Make the soil environment favorable to the tree when small and growing. Then change the soil environment to less favorable to growth once the tree is bearing fruit to your satisfaction and maturity size.

It is my belief that if you desire to save money/ time on tree trimming, these options should be explored more.

Quote from: palmcity on July 30, 2023, 07:54:14 AM

Quote from: Satya on July 29, 2023, 10:43:32 PM

Quote from: fruitnut1944 on July 29, 2023, 08:19:13 PM

Summer pruning does dwarf a tree, some. I summer prune my trees about 6-8 times.

I'm planting 1000 trees in my new farm, and won't have time to excessively prune anything. a solution to managing both small backyard trees and large farms. you won't need to prune 6-8 times,

Some of my mango trees are over 30 years old. I have never pruned more than once a year and I often skip a year. I do not see the big deal in just taking off 1/3 to 1/2 of the canopy after harvest. IMO makes no sense to prune 6-8 times a year unless you are sculpturing the tree like at disney making it look like perhaps micky mouse.

IMO a big tree cut low should produce as much fruit as a runt dwarf tree that is probably more susceptible to not surviving those 30 years as a producing tree anyways.

I guess I just never understood this topic or the need for producing a slow growing runt tree that might die with disease before it ever produces fruit.

But then again, I have no problem handling a chainsaw...

following this logic, all grafted trees should be susceptible and die. What makes a tree grafted to itself more disease susceptible? it won't be a runt, it'll just be a leaderless grafted tree. If anything, trimming will give more chances for parasites to attack the tree than one graft, especially in wet climates. Plus, takes so much time when you have many trees. Grove maintenance takes lots of time if you do it without chemicals, and to add trimming to that would mean more days working haha.
Maybe in Florida and especially your property soil doesn't make them grow super tall and wide because of the special pH, sandy nature, whatever; my FL property is entirely coral and trees also don't grow as tall, and in my Costa Rica property mango trees are super compact probably because of high winds, but that's not always the case, especially in the real tropics with ultra fertile soils, as Nef described above.
Thanks for sharing your experience though.

"following this logic, all grafted trees should be susceptible and die." = FALSE

Satya, You have just failed your Reading Comprehension Test......

All = 100 percent = Total amount

This statement "that is probably more susceptible" implies lack of 100 percent probability.... It was illogical by you to say otherwise....

Unfortunately, regular customers often never experience end of variety mango tasting and leave depressed that the mangos were not as good as described. And they are often right.

Why? IMO mangos are seldom if ever as good at the beginning of that mango variety ripening season as at the end of the varieties season.

My wife says when a mango tastes like these taste, they are Honey Mangos... And that is how these end of variety season Maha Chanoks are tasting today. Super sweet, luscious, slick, slimy, dripping almost a honey lime hint. Just look at the pictures and you can see the richer yellow/lime colored flesh as we bite into it.

They were no where near as good a month ago. I did not like them as the flesh was mediocre sweetness and a mild yellow hint of color even when tree ripened to outer skin being a full yellow color. That was about a month ago and with only a few left, my wife, I, and a few others are feasting on these delicious mangos end of season.

Reason for posting::: If you do not grow your own mangos, you will be lucky to ever experience the best tasting mangos from any mango variety unless you go weekly to the grove, person's stand, etc. and ask questions like how sweet is this variety in it's normal mango ripening phase? Of course they may say "They have no idea" and unfortunately that is often the case unless they love to sample their harvest often.

And.... lol... Your odds of buying a grocery store processed mango at that varieties peak flavor? lol  IMO less than .1 percent...