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That has been the shituation for years. It doesnít matter obviously. You still ordered a few months ago, along with plenty of other people, and around and around we go. 

Racism is horrible.
Who would want to be judged based on what color their skin is.
attempting to somehow connect racism and climate change is a steaming pile.
I have lived in a beach town ringed by a mountain range for 40+ years and have been paying keen attention to the weather .
I draw my own conclusions based on my experience.

Parroting the news media is stupid. I don't play for the red or blue team.


you can't expect critical thinking in a mixed bag of nuts.
You can expect someone to take a dump in the middle of the room , and defend it and clean it like it's their favorite piece of furniture.
It's really sad got see people indoctrinated to bullshit whether it's a cult of politics, religion, or the tell lies vision.
People are  Manipulated by media and politicians , brain drained from TV and exhausted from diet.
So go outside and plant seeds in the earth or enjoy nature, help do something you think would take care of the earth and make it nicer for the next generation.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Big problem with bees
« on: May 26, 2023, 01:00:32 PM »
I see where your going , and yah, but taking a devils advocate position on honeybees right now? C'mon.
No native fruit tree's require them?  really great argument. what percentage of your fruit plants are native?
Bumblebee's ......fuck it this is a ludicrous reasoning to engage. good luck killing all the bee's for no reason.

There is just a lot of great reasons to have them around , and zero reasons to kill them that are rational.
The world is full of senseless killing. Let's just make friends with the bee's and not search for a dumb reason to exterminate something else that doesn't fit a narrow scope of understanding.

To bee clear. Killing a hive of honeybee's , at this point, as a fruit farmer, is asinine.

Is there any other move that can show you are completely out of touch with what is happening with the main food crop pollinators in 2023?

It kind of depends on what you grow. Honeybees are not native to North America; no native fruit species requires honeybees for pollination. A fair number use honeybees commercially, but if they need bees at all, bumbles and ground bees can handle it.

This includes rue, interestingly. Zanthoxylum is native to North America.

Pawpaws are beetle-and-fly pollinated, I think.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Coastal Location
« on: May 26, 2023, 12:49:16 PM »
sounds like the golden zone to grow so much.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Big problem with bees
« on: May 24, 2023, 01:41:45 PM »
To bee clear. Killing a hive of honeybee's , at this point, as a fruit farmer, is asinine.

Is there any other move that can show you are completely out of touch with what is happening with the main food crop pollinators in 2023?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Big problem with bees
« on: May 24, 2023, 01:36:54 PM »
You called the exterminator instead of the local bee keepers?
There is always a bee keeper very excited to come collect the swarm to a new hive. That is free honey/money in the bank, for some easy work.

Hive removals are definitely not free.  I had a small hive on the side of my house a few years ago.  Quotes to have it removed were between $300-$500.

Tim Thompson in Ventura county.

Ughhck. 7 headz. Yeah. When you know theyíre not grafted and it doesnít matter..
I canít go there though, thatís another chapter as well.

I know a couple people growing it but none fruiting. and your right , I would not reveal that info.

What I was trying tip toe around is: What are you gonna do with Wani in SLO but kill it and kiss your $ good bye ? I overstand that people do that day in and day out, it's their right, but rare seeds and seedlings that come around never should go to safe places first I believe. It's theoretical anyhow though, never seen a seedling for sale here or anywhere.  If a seedling did somehow come up for sale , it needs to go to somewhere where it can live and maybe fruit. Not sold to the highest or first bidder.
I have had people trying to convince me to grow Mango's in central CA for a long time, since the "Mango Professor" cold hardy mango debacle that I poo poo'd all along the way and turned out to be a total fraud ( he was sued by some CRFG chapters).  Steve in los osos had a manila fruiting in a high tunnel but ya know, not really.
North of Pt. conception along the coast is not warm enough, go inland and it's too cold. SF East Bay and some Delta area's are marginal because the large bodies of water and asphalt mitigate the cold and they are inland enough the fog doesn't swamp their growing season. I love Mango's.

I find that good pruning accelerates growth well.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pumice Alternatives SoCal
« on: May 21, 2023, 01:53:15 PM »
at $10 for 5 gallon. That sounds like you could get 100 5 gallons out of a truckload . that's $1000. Maybe you can't get 100 , I didn't check the math, maybe it's more.
It's less than $100 a truckload from an aggregate yard, call around. There are lots of cinder cones and pumice naturally in CA.
Good hustle
If I can find a truckload in Oakland and Watsonville, surely it exists in LA/SD .

Original poster: I see your in Pomona.
There's a seller (Eric) on Offer up selling pumice I think is reasonable. $10 approximately 5 gal but bagged.
He's located in San Dimas-Covina area.

Not to mention dangerous as well. I don't think Vitor has been seen or heard from since those times . Harvest windows's can be short and it's amazing when the timing can come together to collect seed on some of these missions, not to mention keep them viable  over land and sea.
Had Vitors seed list in my emails for years it was torture to see the list so i finally deleted it because of no communication arg.I did manage to get a few seeds from him.I think life got in the way and it became very difficult to get seeds out then,now their is political turmoil. Seed collecting is difficult job and thankless at times. Appreciate them and take advantage of what they have as it could be fleeting.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pumice Alternatives SoCal
« on: May 20, 2023, 12:43:00 PM »
Pumice is mineral nutrient rich so way better than the alternatives you mention.
It's like $50 - $100 for a truckload. so find an aggregate supplier that has it.
Use black instead of red.

Any inert rock minerals with the same particle sizes will do the same thing.
Perlite floats to the surface with watering.
Pumice is very light, floats less and will lessen the weight of pots or density of garden beds.
Some people even use expanded styrofoam beads, ie from before compression to styro boxes, or bean bag pellets. These float out on the surface.
Aquarium gravel is similar particle sizes to pumice and as inert and non toxic. Zeolite has positive benefits in cycling nutrients.
Granite and Basalt gravels can contribute useful minerals.
Charcoal is similar density to pumice, but may be alkaline, affecting pH at high rates. Maybe ok in acid soils.
Fired clay beads or bits are also a possibility.
Graded pine bark, say 5mm to 10 mm is also in the particle size range.
Any gravels that contribute excess minerals ( ie limestone, high in Calcium Magnesium, raises pH ), or other Volcanics high in Zinc, Manganese etc might be avoided.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Chocolate persimmon scion
« on: May 20, 2023, 12:35:48 PM »

Seen 'em fruit good at 900-1000 above Kona. Someone should get these fruiting . Gotta have the chocolate and coffee cake for cross pollination and double deliciousness.

i wonder if it doesn't need cold set since hawaii doesnt' get the temps you'd get. my uncle has a nice lousy persimmon that produces only sour fruits.  would be nice to graft something better on his tree.

How do you even get ahold of that guy to buy anything?

Alex at tropical acres sells the budwood for all those varieties

I've never seen a Want seedling offered here or anywhere else.
I think it's rare enough and hard enough to get out it should go to a safe climate where it can grow and fruit.
To my knowledge there are zero known fruiting tree's growing in a place where it is even semi easy to get seed from.
My best guess for who might have one fruiting anywhere in the americas would be Peter in costa.
I was surprised no one fruited it in Hawaii yet, unless they got a secret.
I really enjoyed Wani in Bali and would love to grow it too.
My friend lives there for years and can't get seed out.
It's not so good to get busted with it in your luggage leaving.

I been selling multi graft loquats and loquat scion since long before this preacher man came on the scene with his made up variety's and extremely high prices, and now endless excuses followed by crickets.
I just never sold anything I didn't actually have to sell, or promised a tree I hadn't grafted yet.
People seem happier to bet on the come of a promise and snazzy write ups of seedlings of unknown quality , and maybe some prefer to order through a website storefront.
The whole scene is made up of people wishing on a star.
Thanks out to those among us effectively figuring out new fruit frontiers and pushing limits by experimenting , learning and sharing .Your works are important.

On that note, are there any trusted sellers of multi-grafted loquats that ship?

Counting chickens before they hatch at this stage of the game is highly optimistic .
I got $5 on it they don't show .

*********************UPDATE ON ADAM AKA AKME GARDENS ***********************************

He just texted me saying he was in the hospital the entire time!

I had a feeling that is where he was!

He recovering and trying to catch up with orders now with help with a family member!

He said he will start shipping soon!

I call shenanigans.

Are there any public records available that can prove that?

That is also an incredibly long hospital stay. The sort of thing reserved for people in comas.

Even beyond that, surely he could have someone else he knows or employs to handle business communications during that time.

The whole thing stinks. The Subject of this thread should include a warning in case anyone just reads the first post and goes to purchase.

I'll report back when I get my cuttings.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: WTB - Grafted Jaboticaba
« on: May 11, 2023, 09:48:13 PM »
She is just starting to turn up for Spring.
One of the most beautiful Jaboticabaís.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: WTB - Grafted Jaboticaba
« on: May 10, 2023, 04:20:41 AM »
I have a 25 Gallon Restinga for sale in the Bay Area. 5-6 feet tall.
Some other varieties that are fruiting right now for sale as well.


I figured they could be kept compact by pruning. Most of the bushes I seen planted out were 20 foot wide , 4-5 feet tall and impossible to pick fruit without bleeding. tasty fruit!

Someone mentioned Kei Apple, but those fruits are really delicious and the shrubs, while thorny, are very compact. The San Diego Zoo has a bunch spread around and I pick some of the fruits when they're ripe and they're great. They're also very easy to eat, unlike the vast majority of specialty fruits, because you just eat it whole. No pit.

No doubt! Some were drive by pickable as I slow crawled for an hour or so in line for mulch.

Cecropenis, oh yeah . Canít get enough.

 in a stand still line of trucks miles long, waiting to get into the big mulch party, all i see is cecropia , strawberry guava and albizia.

Fruiting Orange Crush in PR?
Check it : Established PR seller selling for 1/2 of you without the 10 day wait and new seller unknowns.

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