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I would like to add that I think the California nubbins may also be caused by powdery mildew or/and other fungal pressures on the blooms.  This is due to my observation of NDM#4 which blooms for me 2-3 times at different seasons. My area has very high fungal pressures which I did not realize until I started adding more and more varieties.. NDM#4 will produce mostly nubbins for me even on summer or fall blooms if I don't spray during warm weather. Even leaves are highly powdery mildew prone almost year round if I do not spray.

Here's my channel if anyone is interesting in following my mango experiments in California.
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLxf2uM0NoUuW1ULUKU7yDaBX_0Eji96Ja&si=qVNIEMbfv8QCZ2h1

I am fairly new to most mango varieties as most varieties I have only been growing since 2022. However, i have grown a handful of varieties for over a couple of decades one which s NDM#4.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Need Help to ID This Cherimoya again
« on: February 09, 2024, 02:50:25 AM »
Hey Kaz, I think that is just a regular A.cherimola.  Bays and Booth were impressa types that were often available in the supermarkets some 30+ years ago however I never seen fruit that large like yours. But my Booth seedlings produce similiar size leaves.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: My Yard 2022
« on: February 09, 2024, 02:29:01 AM »
Oh sorry to hear about your greenhouse. Glad there wasn't too much damage!

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I planted out 4 PPK seedlings last summer. Out of them only 1 sprouted 2 vigorous trunks.  The other 3 was mono.

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I've never had Cumbe unfortunately.  I have fruited a seedling ilama. I did not find the texture appealing, creamy but drier side, not juicy. It seems some people really love ilama and some people don't.  The ilama blooms never accepted pollen from my atemoya or cherimoya so there are some  compatibility issues.

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I find this to be a very interesting project as someone who at one time was very into Annona collecting.

I would say in terms of flavor it ranks as
1. Cherimoya
then a very distant 2 and 3
2. Sugar Apple
3. Custard Apple(never had one)

There is another component besides flavor that is rarely talked before but much more now is the texture.  This is extremely important depending on your palate.  It is firmness/chewy vs creamy.  Most western palate will prefer a more creamy texture and most asian palate will prefer firm chewy texture.  I feel likes its almost as a do you eat peaches soft and melting or firm and crispy as an analogy.  I will list from most firm as 1.
1. Sugar Apple
2. Cherimoya
3. Custard Apple

In addition, in Asia the sugar apple is broken down into another 2 groups. One is considered the firm chewy Sugar Apple, usually very easy to peel, and the flesh holds together tightly. The other is sometimes referred to as a grain or rice Sugar Apple since the flesh around carpels break apart easily like grains. These tend to be more creamy if u really let the fruit ripen but also is chewy for the flesh around the seed. I believe most of the old florida varieties of sugar apple fall into this category. And most of the old Atemoya crosses used this strain of sugar apple. Depending on what texture u r breeding one will benefit more than the other.  For cherimoyas, i think varieties that has a more subacid balance is better so ones like Booth or El Bumpo vs say a Dr. White. For the old school Atemoyas, i think Geffner has more Cherimoya qualities than say an African Pride.

My perfect Annona would have the flavor of a cherimoya, the texture of a Chewy Sugar Apple, and the skin and flesh color of a deep red reticulata.  For others texture may prefer the cherimoya or reticulata.  I'll stop here as i could probably write about tastes and texture all day long on fhis topic ahaha.  Hope to see some amazing hybrids from people in the future. Painter's cherilata is new and there may some interesting seedings out if it in the future here in California due to our availibity of cherimoya and atemoya varieties.

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I would add

Loquat(fruit flies), citrus(due to diseases), dragonfruits, persimmons, grapes, Chinese jujube(Z. jujuba), any stone fruits.

I would not say mangos, yes we get higher brix fruits but it is so much harder to get any grafted mangos going here. They are way slower growing here and dies for the average person.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Non Dwarf June Plum/Ambarella
« on: October 21, 2023, 09:47:14 AM »
I the big version at Mimosa Nursery in LA.

Thanks Steve, I'll check them out. Hopefully it's the non dwarf variety. 🙂

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Non Dwarf June Plum/Ambarella
« on: October 19, 2023, 10:20:47 PM »
I'm looking for the non dwarf variety of june plum. Does anyone sell any? Seems like the ones sold in my area are the dwarf variety. Thanks.

You should also look for a big fruits variety.  In the US, everyone is selling to dwarf that has fruits that are smaller than the small chicken eggs.  In Asia, the fruits are the size of duck eggs.

So far, no luck. But yeah, the ones here are tiny. Where are the large fruited versions...

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Non Dwarf June Plum/Ambarella
« on: October 18, 2023, 01:55:17 PM »
Thank you for that info I never knew that.  I'm looking for seeds or cuttings of this non dwarf strain. All the ones sold here are the dwarf variety. And I would like to get a variety that becomes a large tree.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Non Dwarf June Plum/Ambarella
« on: October 18, 2023, 02:57:17 AM »
I'm looking for the non dwarf variety of june plum. Does anyone sell any? Seems like the ones sold in my area are the dwarf variety. Thanks.

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Thanks Oolie, the explanation on the phenolic tastes help me understand my own taste bud a bit more. Over 20 years ago I grew out many many cherimoya seedlings looking for that texture combination I'd say I got 1 that was about 40% there from a Booth seedling but was inconsistent sometimes. I was always planning to do a 2nd generation seedling but never got to it unfortunately.

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I had grown a seedling which I eventually grafted onto a cherimoya rootstock. It gave only a handful of fruits over the years. And the flowers did not accept cherimoya or atemoya pollens.  I thought it has the sweetness and texture of a sweet potatoe in a not so good way. Mind you this was a seedling and not a named cultivar which probably is much superior. In addition, mine never cracked it would just drop. From what I heard it's best when it cracks.  Which worries me a bit also, as crack cherimoya and atemoya here tends to get moldy before ripening here in my area. So that is interesting for ilama.

When it comes to Anona, texture plays a big part.  Most Asians consider the atemoya superior due to texture. As it is more firm and pleasantly chewy.  If you do not like this texture you would call it rubbery, chewy in bad way, and scallopy lol.  For most American western pallette the cherimoya is superior and the texture is describe as pleasantly custardly. Those that don't like it will call it mushy baby food, lol.  With that said I don't know many with a western taste bud that will pay $15 to $20 a lb for cherimoyas except fruitnuts like us.  While many asians easily pay this for a quality atemoya.  So depending on texture, I could see why asians would not like the ilama.

My perfect Anona would be one with all the superior cherimoya flavors but the texture of a atemoya or firm sweetsop. It took me some years to get past that bit of atemoya aftertaste that reminds a little of rubber, lol. I think it comes from the sweetsop genes and i still taste this in any hybrids. I grow mostly atemoya now.  But if anyone has a pure genetic cherimoya with a atemoya texture, let me know.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Parfianka Pomegranate Blooming...like now
« on: September 26, 2023, 04:51:45 PM »
Thank you both I will remove the blooms.  Yes, it kind of got yellow in the last couple months. I wasn't sure if it was normal or the gophers are getting to the roots, I trapped over 15 of them this year.  They seem to attack everything but my mangos. I will put down some slow release fertilizer.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Parfianka Pomegranate Blooming...like now
« on: September 26, 2023, 04:34:45 PM »
Our poms are ripening now.  The blooms were pretty late this year but not that late.  I would leave them and just see what happens.

Cool, I'll leave to see what happens. I picked one fruit already as something was getting to it. It was delicious. I have 1 large fruit and 1 small fruit left.🤤

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Parfianka Pomegranate Blooming...like now
« on: September 26, 2023, 04:09:44 PM »
Thanks John, does those late bloom ever overwinter and mature next year? Or is it just a waste and I should just remove the blooms?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Parfianka Pomegranate Blooming...like now
« on: September 25, 2023, 02:29:47 PM »
I'm new to growing pomegranate.  This is the 2nd year of Parfianka for me. It's only about a 3.5 ft bush.  I got 3 fruits this year. In the last few weeks I have a branch sending out blooms, it's September and the end of summer. Is this normal or bizarre? We have had some weird weather this year in California.




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Here is an update video of our yard 5 months after "G's" video tour.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofkRdIWZqu0&t=107s

Thanks for sharing!

Mark, why are u getting rid of the Keo Savoy mango?

My wife had translated word for word are "Wax Jambu", "Pink", and the last 2 words are the name of a city.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is Keit mango this big normally?
« on: September 09, 2023, 09:15:24 PM »
There are giant green ones that end up showing up in the Asian markets and they are huge.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Thief Caught
« on: September 09, 2023, 09:13:00 PM »
Unfortunately, fruit thievery is becoming more and more prevalent in socal also. I have had several friends who had their trees completely stripped of fruits.  One in a very nice coastal Orange County community removed his avocado completley as every year thieves would strip the entire tree of fruits.  I think most most of us fruit growers love to share fruits but having trees strip and stolen would be disheartening.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Thief Caught
« on: September 09, 2023, 08:30:37 PM »
I been on both sides. I don't think there's an excuse for an adult to act that way. But as a small kid, me and the rest of the refugee kids in the neighborhood, maybe over half a dozen of us would roam the city and raid fruit trees and parks. And get chase off by the owners. I look back at those days now and totally feel bad doing that to any fruit tree owners. As a kid back then we were by no means starving but boy were we hungry all the time. Our parents did not have much money or food.  There were things we ate that i look back at now and can't believe no one ever poison themselves. Landscaping trees like the natal plums and the Eugenia trees with its fruits and leaves. I remember them tasting so good as a kid, had them now not so much,lol. Ate sorrel clovers before i know anything about them. Even ate those green spiky maple fruits.

As an adult, I like to share fruits and veggies. I had people stole fruits from me which for the most part I don't mind as long as they don't tresspass onto my property. An example, is a large avocado I have it's so large the limbs crossover and has massive amount of fruits. I don't mind anyone picking any fruits that crosses over my fence and I purposely left it that way. Anything anyone can reach is fine with me. Sometimes, I startle any passers by when they are picking and did not notice I'm right there. I say to them feel free to pick anything u could reach just don't tresspass onto the property.  Over the last few years unfortunately I had several adults who jump over onto my property and even one occasion when someone brought a truck and ladder and started loading up on buckets of fruits till my neighbor stop them. That was not the main reason but was one of the reasons I've since cut this 40ft tree or so down to 7ft.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Foreign mango familiarity
« on: September 02, 2023, 10:41:33 AM »
Been doing good and venturing into mango collecting the last few couple years.  That sucks to hear about the grafts. Hopefully you get your hands on some more. Definitely interested how these new zill varieties end up handling 100% tropical weather out where you are ahah

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Foreign mango familiarity
« on: September 01, 2023, 10:25:54 AM »
Hey Tropicalfruithunter, which Zill mango varieties did you take with you and how have they performed?

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Cool video! Thanks for sharing Eyeckr! Awesome yard Mike! That Luc's Garcinia!!!

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I'm looking for white chayote. Is anyone selling plants or mature fruits that could be planted?  Thanks!

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