Ujukitsu vs. New Zealand lemons

[Yorgos]

I have an in ground ujukitsu (planted in '09) that is fairly productive but the fruit quality is only OK. Tastes fine but is seedy and has pretty tough membranes that detract from eating it.  It also tends to get dry spots in the fruit. How much more superior would a New Zealand lemon be for eating out of hand or for juicing? If it is much better, I would consider cutting the ujukitsu down and top working something else on it.  Even cara-cara orange, if it is compatible to the root stock.

[Millet]

New Zealand Lemonade, does have a lemon like taste, but no where as intense and biting as an actual lemon such as Eureka, therefore not a substitute for an actual lemon.. However, the taste is really excellent (in my opinion) and very adapted to eating out of hand.  I have a NZL tree and really like them. Their best taste is when the fruit is left on the tree until it turns from green to yellow.  Well worth growing.

[Yorgos]

Is NZL superior to Ujukitsu as a fresh eating fruit?  In terms of flavor, fruit quality, cold-hardiness and such? 

I picked two ujukitsu's yesterday.  One was very sweet and tasty, the other, from the same tree mind you, was tasteless.  An amazing variation from the same bush. 

What is the growth habit of your NZL? My Ujukitsu has a weeping, spreading growth pattern. 

[Yorgos]

Here is pic of my Ujukitsu

[Millet]

NZL has an upward growth habit.  Much like a lemon tree.

[mrtexas]

NZL has an upward growth habit.  Much like a lemon tree.

Look me up next fall. I have a bearing NZ lemonade tree in the ground in Sienna Plantation. Ujukitsu is pretty good if
you wait until January. It is not one of my favorites however. I recently topworked the lemonade tree to blood oranges. The lower part of the tree will still be lemonade.  IMHO cara cara is way better than either ujukitsu or lemonade. https://mrtexascitrus.weebly.com/citrusvarieties.html

[Yorgos]

Thanks.  I may do that. 

[Scipio]

I had never tasted the New Zealand Lemonade fruit, but I have tasted the Meyer Lemon fruit and recently I have discussed a Ujukitsu from Taiwan compared with a Shiranui from Korea in the following video.

In my opinion Ujukitsu is an interesting variety, even if I would hardly consider it a lemon, it looks more like a big yellow Shiranui and it's very similar in shape to Kinkoji/Bloomsweet. It has a sweet pulp, there is no bitterness, just an hint of sourness (Meyer lemon is more sour and lemon-like) with an interesting balance, maybe more resembling oranges or pomelos juice but with yellow color and I think is perfect even just juiced. The fruit is a lot bigger than a lemon and even bigger than most oranges, it could have no seeds that is a plus in case you juice it. The rind is not very peelable, so it's more like a Pomelo, but the albedo is edible and not bitter at all, that is a great advantage compared to most of the lemons and more usable like the citrons for jams or candies.

It's easier to find more information from japanese sites using translator than in most of the english speaking forums, but it looks like it's a native variety of Taiwan maybe just named 甜檸檬 like Sweet Lemon in english, then brought to Japan while that island was under the empire rule, that is the reason why it is relatively famous in Japan too with Yuge Hyokan/弓削瓢柑/ゆげひょうかん name.

https://www.fruttama.it/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6910

[sheaper]

Everyone needs a NZL. Unique fruit with exceptional qualities

[Luisport]

I had never tasted the New Zealand Lemonade fruit, but I have tasted the Meyer Lemon fruit and recently I have discussed a Ujukitsu from Taiwan compared with a Shiranui from Korea in the following video.

In my opinion Ujukitsu is an interesting variety, even if I would hardly consider it a lemon, it looks more like a big yellow Shiranui and it's very similar in shape to Kinkoji/Bloomsweet. It has a sweet pulp, there is no bitterness, just an hint of sourness (Meyer lemon is more sour and lemon-like) with an interesting balance, maybe more resembling oranges or pomelos juice but with yellow color and I think is perfect even just juiced. The fruit is a lot bigger than a lemon and even bigger than most oranges, it could have no seeds that is a plus in case you juice it. The rind is not very peelable, so it's more like a Pomelo, but the albedo is edible and not bitter at all, that is a great advantage compared to most of the lemons and more usable like the citrons for jams or candies.

It's easier to find more information from japanese sites using translator than in most of the english speaking forums, but it looks like it's a native variety of Taiwan maybe just named 甜檸檬 like Sweet Lemon in english, then brought to Japan while that island was under the empire rule, that is the reason why it is relatively famous in Japan too with Yuge Hyokan/弓削瓢柑/ゆげひょうかん name.

https://www.fruttama.it/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6910

Wow this is very interesting! I thought this citrus was sanbokan because in Taiwan they call it sanbokan or just sweet lemon. I didn't imagine that  this is a totally diferent citrus variety... im about to have it... Thanks a lot for your post!

[Luisport]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Te1XJ6HQ5Ak

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=th29JJip3XU

[Radoslav]

I had never tasted the New Zealand Lemonade fruit, but I have tasted the Meyer Lemon fruit and recently I have discussed a Ujukitsu from Taiwan compared with a Shiranui from Korea in the following video.

In my opinion Ujukitsu is an interesting variety, even if I would hardly consider it a lemon, it looks more like a big yellow Shiranui and it's very similar in shape to Kinkoji/Bloomsweet. It has a sweet pulp, there is no bitterness, just an hint of sourness (Meyer lemon is more sour and lemon-like) with an interesting balance, maybe more resembling oranges or pomelos juice but with yellow color and I think is perfect even just juiced. The fruit is a lot bigger than a lemon and even bigger than most oranges, it could have no seeds that is a plus in case you juice it. The rind is not very peelable, so it's more like a Pomelo, but the albedo is edible and not bitter at all, that is a great advantage compared to most of the lemons and more usable like the citrons for jams or candies.

It's easier to find more information from japanese sites using translator than in most of the english speaking forums, but it looks like it's a native variety of Taiwan maybe just named 甜檸檬 like Sweet Lemon in english, then brought to Japan while that island was under the empire rule, that is the reason why it is relatively famous in Japan too with Yuge Hyokan/弓削瓢柑/ゆげひょうかん name.

https://www.fruttama.it/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6910

citrus ujukitsu Ujukitsu, citrus yuge hyokan Yuge Hyokan and citrus ampullacea Hyokan are three different citruses.

[Luisport]

I had never tasted the New Zealand Lemonade fruit, but I have tasted the Meyer Lemon fruit and recently I have discussed a Ujukitsu from Taiwan compared with a Shiranui from Korea in the following video.

In my opinion Ujukitsu is an interesting variety, even if I would hardly consider it a lemon, it looks more like a big yellow Shiranui and it's very similar in shape to Kinkoji/Bloomsweet. It has a sweet pulp, there is no bitterness, just an hint of sourness (Meyer lemon is more sour and lemon-like) with an interesting balance, maybe more resembling oranges or pomelos juice but with yellow color and I think is perfect even just juiced. The fruit is a lot bigger than a lemon and even bigger than most oranges, it could have no seeds that is a plus in case you juice it. The rind is not very peelable, so it's more like a Pomelo, but the albedo is edible and not bitter at all, that is a great advantage compared to most of the lemons and more usable like the citrons for jams or candies.

It's easier to find more information from japanese sites using translator than in most of the english speaking forums, but it looks like it's a native variety of Taiwan maybe just named 甜檸檬 like Sweet Lemon in english, then brought to Japan while that island was under the empire rule, that is the reason why it is relatively famous in Japan too with Yuge Hyokan/弓削瓢柑/ゆげひょうかん name.

https://www.fruttama.it/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6910

citrus ujukitsu Ujukitsu, citrus yuge hyokan Yuge Hyokan and citrus ampullacea Hyokan are three different citruses.

Hello Radoslav, how are you? And what variety is the one from Taiwan?

[Radoslav]

Hello,
I am fine 
Japan sources say both are from Taiwan.
According to Tanaka there are: citrus ujukitsu, citrus ampullacea and citrus yuge-hyokan
Ujukitsu is sweet, shaped like a pear,  citrus ampullacea 西郷瓢柑 Saig̣ Hyokan, or just Hyokan is sweet/sour, rounder,
Yuge Hyokan is slightly bitter, shape like potato.
Yuge Hyokan, mainly grown in Hiroshima and Ehime, the Saigo Hyokan,  is grown in Kyushu, mainly in Miyazaki.

[Luisport]

Hello,
I am fine 
Japan sources say both are from Taiwan.
According to Tanaka there are: citrus ujukitsu, citrus ampullacea and citrus yuge-hyokan
Ujukitsu is sweet, shaped like a pear,  citrus ampullacea 西郷瓢柑 Saig̣ Hyokan, or just Hyokan is sweet/sour, rounder,
Yuge Hyokan is slightly bitter, shape like potato.
Yuge Hyokan, mainly grown in Hiroshima and Ehime, the Saigo Hyokan,  is grown in Kyushu, mainly in Miyazaki.

Im talking about this:

https://growingfruit.org/t/my-small-fruit-tree-orchard/19936/3833?u=luisport

[Radoslav]

Some of your pictures show Sambokan, which is said to have been imported to Taiwan from Japan.
There is a lot of misinfo on web.
It is really hard to say what is Ujukitsu sweet lemon distributed to Europe from USA Riverside collection. They say it is a citrus ujukitsu, sweet lemon, in Taiwain identical fruit is called Sambokan, while in Japan, Sambokan is the name of citrus sulcata, which looks simmilar but is sour.

[Luisport]

Some of your pictures show Sambokan, which is said to have been imported to Taiwan from Japan.
There is a lot of misinfo on web.
It is really hard to say what is Ujukitsu sweet lemon distributed to Europe from USA Riverside collection. They say it is a citrus ujukitsu, sweet lemon, in Taiwain identical fruit is called Sambokan, while in Japan, Sambokan is the name of citrus sulcata, which looks simmilar but is sour.

Those pics are from Taiwan... i already have Sanbokan from Quissac but its totally diferent fruit from this Taiwan fruits.

[70Malibu]

Here's my Sanbokan from the UCR/CCPP budwood program. I purchased my scions about 4 yrs ago. These fruits are the correct Sanbokan on my trees.

https://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=45969.msg456210#msg456210

Luis, your fruits on the link is not  Sanbokan. I have pretty much everything that tastes good from the UCR collection that they sell to the public grafted on my trees.

[70Malibu]

Yorgos, to answer your question, yes NZL is superior. It is better tasting out of hand than the Sanbokan as well. I grow both, but had to cut down my large citrus tree with the NZL, ponkan, sumo, and 20 other varieties on it. Even some super rare varieties.

I just bought many of the varieties I cut down from UCR again, should be getting my budwood this week. NZL is one of them, plus all the new Australian Fingerlime varieties they are selling now for the first time.

[Radoslav]

Some of your pictures show Sambokan, which is said to have been imported to Taiwan from Japan.
There is a lot of misinfo on web.
It is really hard to say what is Ujukitsu sweet lemon distributed to Europe from USA Riverside collection. They say it is a citrus ujukitsu, sweet lemon, in Taiwain identical fruit is called Sambokan, while in Japan, Sambokan is the name of citrus sulcata, which looks simmilar but is sour.

Those pics are from Taiwan... i already have Sanbokan from Quissac but its totally diferent fruit from this Taiwan fruits.

Here is Sambokan from UCR/CCPP https://citrusvariety.ucr.edu/crc3257
It says open pollinated seedling, so not necesarilly identical/clone of Japan/Taiwan  Sambokan.
Here is one page Luis you took pictures from: https://www.fruit38.com/takahashi_gift.htm
It says in chinese :
三寶柑 - it reads Sambokan.

Here is Ujukitsu from UCR/CCPP https://citrusvariety.ucr.edu/crc3467
Citrus sulcata Sambokan fruit in european collections, which I came across is smaller than those from Taiwan, skin is more orange in colour and pulp is more sour.

[Luisport]

Some of your pictures show Sambokan, which is said to have been imported to Taiwan from Japan.
There is a lot of misinfo on web.
It is really hard to say what is Ujukitsu sweet lemon distributed to Europe from USA Riverside collection. They say it is a citrus ujukitsu, sweet lemon, in Taiwain identical fruit is called Sambokan, while in Japan, Sambokan is the name of citrus sulcata, which looks simmilar but is sour.

Those pics are from Taiwan... i already have Sanbokan from Quissac but its totally diferent fruit from this Taiwan fruits.

Here is Sambokan from UCR/CCPP https://citrusvariety.ucr.edu/crc3257
It says open pollinated seedling, so not necesarilly identical/clone of Japan/Taiwan  Sambokan.
Here is one page Luis you took pictures from: https://www.fruit38.com/takahashi_gift.htm
It says in chinese :
三寶柑 - it reads Sambokan.

Here is Ujukitsu from UCR/CCPP https://citrusvariety.ucr.edu/crc3467
Citrus sulcata Sambokan fruit in european collections, which I came across is smaller than those from Taiwan, skin is more orange in colour and pulp is more sour.

Thanks a lot for your reply! In Taiwan they call several names to the same thing, like sweet lemon and sanbokan, but in fact this is not citrus sulkata, this is citrus ujukitsu for sure! And is very identical to citrus ujukitsu you show from UCR/CCPP page. So i think this confirms that citrus ujukitsu is the one they have in Taiwan. The one in Europe is Sanbokan or other thing... its strange that is much smaller than it should be no?