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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Growing under LEDís
« on: July 30, 2022, 06:09:19 AM »
I don't think your trees symptoms come from the LED lighting.  The leaves are showing the typical sign of an iron deficiency. The leaf symptoms for iron deficiency are:  New leaves with green veins on otherwise yellowish leaves. An iron deficiency is often caused by high pH rather than a shortage of minerals.

I think youíre right Millet. I believe this is pH related. Iím doing some soil and salt testing, as well as some water tests and will go from there.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Growing under LEDís
« on: July 30, 2022, 06:08:01 AM »
The pigmentation concerns me much more than the light.

I note that some compounds are less available at certain temperatures.  What temperature are these plants kept at during the winter?  I suspect some combination of watering/fertilization/temperature is resulting in deficiencies as the plant grows without the nutrients to sustain the new tissue.

Foliar feeding of chelated iron - which can be as simple as the cooking water from greens - might help.

With my own plants, my only goal over the winter is to keep them alive - they get weak light from a window with indirect exposure, and that's all.  They don't grow, but they don't develop deficiency problems either.

Theyíre kept rather warm, maybe anywhere from 72-82F? Thanks for the tips with it. I do have things temp controlled too which I forgot to say! Due to everyone elseís comments, I believe itís in my water. Once theyíre outdoors they mostly get the slightly acidic rain water for the most part, while inside they get my tap water -which is probably high in salts and high pH. Iím going to look into the pH and do some adjustments to see if that will help.

Citrus General Discussion / Growing under LEDís
« on: July 28, 2022, 08:25:17 PM »
Do any of you grow with LEDís through the winter? I unfortunately have NO natural light indoors so they must strictly be grown with artificial lighting.

Note I use pretty powerful lighting, in order to replicate full sun, however, as you can already guess, nothing can truly replicate Mother Nature. My plants always start out great and grow well for the first month or so, things start to grow yellow and stressed. I typically keep my lights around 75% (noting that 100% really stressed them out) and on for 14-16 hours, off the rest. I feed them properly and meticulously with a very well balanced fertilizer. I would like to see if anyone else has these sorts of issues and how they go about correcting them before things are needed to come indoors.

The lights I use are a mixture of high output sonofarm LEDís. Links below.


I just recently moved these trees outdoors after sitting a month or so indoors under these lights.

The same varieties outdoors show no signs of these, and are treated the same otherwise. Are these lights just too much? Can water pH do this? (Ones outside get some rain water obviously along with the hose) as I am on city water. Anyone recommend a good way to test soil pH?

Any input on this situation, Iíd appreciate it! Winters are usually incredibly hard, hoping to get through this next one without as much loss. Prepping is key! Lol.

Those rooted cuttings went pretty fast. I will have to keep an eye on this section of the forum a little more closely. Of course, I need another plant like I need a hole in the head. :)

Definitely did! I plan to have more this summer! Lol its a disease I swear.

I do have some red finger limes coming up.. about a month out. waiting on some more top growth before selling.

Looks pretty good! If you donít get any takers, pm me later this summer!

Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: Wanted kaffir lime
« on: April 16, 2022, 08:40:15 AM »
Hershell is a straight G as well. Fantastic fellow! If he doesnít have it in stock, he likely has it in the back somewhere. He always gets me what I need it seems lol. I try not to buy from anywhere else.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: ISO Miracle berry Plant
« on: April 15, 2022, 01:35:51 PM »
Hi Frank, I can't help with the plant, but I wanted to offer a suggestion--have you tried freeze-dried miracle berries? If you look on Amazon for "Miracle Berries by Snozzberry Farm" you'll see the good ones. I have a miracle berry plant and enjoy getting berries from it, but it produces at best 20-30 berries a year (it hates our chlorinated, alkaline water, and our cold winter--in Zone 5 you're going to have to keep it indoors half of the year). The freeze-dried ones are awesome for when you don't have fresh ones--they're much better than the lozenges made out of miracle berry extract.

I had the pleasure of trying fresh berries last year, ate a whole lemon with it, but scorched my throat lol as a lemon is still a lemon, but it really worked and tasted like lemonade!

I wanted a plant for sure, and keep in containers. more-so as a novelty, but I know the freeze dried fruit does not give as a potent effect. for the price as well, 10 freeze dried berries are around $15. I found a few plants for $50, but am waiting to see if any member might have a mature plant before I order from somewhere else. Containers isn't a problem as I already house various rare tropicals and citrus already here in Wisconsin haha.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / ISO Miracle berry Plant
« on: April 15, 2022, 07:37:14 AM »

Looking to purchase a miracle berry mature plant if anyone might have one for sale? Shipping to Wisconsin. Spring is here and temps are warm enough!


Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: Want to buy fingerlime scions
« on: April 13, 2022, 03:34:28 PM »
are "green" and "red" fingerlimes still the only types available in the US?  I have yet to see anything else for sale, unless you count the "blood lime" and faustrime

I believe red and green are it. Blood Iíve seen only at Logees and one green world, but theyíre pricy. I think they have ďgiant greenĒ as well around. Iíve collected a few other colors, but had to jump through ALOT of hoops to get them.

Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: Wanted kaffir lime
« on: April 13, 2022, 03:32:12 PM »

Rooted cuttings are sold, cuttings themselves are sparse! Itíll be another month or so before I can take more cuttings. I will have Australian red lime rooted cuttings available in the next month as well.

I can cut some if youíre interested. I also have some rooted cuttings as well. Send a pm.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Half dead scion wood on a graft
« on: April 05, 2022, 08:38:37 PM »
Itís the first time Iíve seen it happen, so Iíll be interested as to see how it grows. I just imagine as the cells throughout the trunk elongate and multiply, the dead will not, so itíll slowly engulf the dead tissue and make a dip thatíll go around.

Citrus General Discussion / Half dead scion wood on a graft
« on: April 04, 2022, 06:40:25 PM »
I recently grafted a satsuma, where I thought didnít take and it died off. To my amazement, it came back, well half of it came back. Seems that half the scion died up the middle and the other half is pushing and growing well. See pic below. Is it worth seeing what this tree will do? I know as it grows, the dead tissue will stay as it is, but will the live tissue slowly grow around it? Just thought it was interesting and wanted to hear some input from others.

Thatís odd, my Kinzu had 100% germination. Some were germinating in the fruit lol. I peeled the husks off the seed and threw them in a baggie with a damp paper towel and they all sprouted very very well. I donít know the Ploidy status of the Kinzu, but being itís a wild species, Iíd assume itís diploid.

Walt, I currently have my last rooted cuttings spoken for, but I was thinking for $20 plus shipping. Cuttings are about 6 months old now. Iíll have more in the future I hope! I do have several seedlings though ranging from 1-4Ē. Pm me, we can work something out for seedlings if you wanted one.

Temperate Fruit Buy, Sell, & Trade / ISO Apple Scions
« on: February 28, 2022, 11:03:29 PM »
Looking for various varieties of apples! High chill is fine, live in zone 4A. I do have several things from tropical fruit (lots of citrus) to other unknown high productive apple scions, to rooted cuttings of citrus trees. Or willing to purchase outright.. I have an order of 20 rootstock coming in and hadnít thought about scions until now! Lol. Interested in just about anything! Prefer varieties that are semi-full self fertile (Granny Smith, golden delicious, etc.)

Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: ISO Meiwa kumquat in florida
« on: January 22, 2022, 09:33:37 AM »
They have a gamble rooted cutting - could be nagami or meiwa if youíre willing to take the chance.. Their cuttings are top notch though.

Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: Kinzu/Hong Kong/Fortunella hindsii seeds
« on: December 28, 2021, 06:09:50 AM »
Another round ripened and are ready to go. Pm me if anyone is interested! I also have some rooted cuttings that are in flower as well.

Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: Flying Dragon seeds
« on: December 14, 2021, 11:30:48 AM »
Got a lot of FD seeds ready to go. Pm me if anyone wants any. Seeds arenít harvested until day before shipment.

Citrus General Discussion / LLT lemon and LLT lime
« on: December 04, 2021, 08:07:18 PM »
I just wanted to give this man some recognition. I just had the pleasure of speaking with Mr. Nair about his breeding projects. Such an interesting take and he showed me several successful plants and a great conversation packed full of knowledge. Heís working on other varieties as well. For one that really loves what he does. He is definitely an inspiration of mine for my future work, both professionally and as a hobby.

Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: Flying Dragon plant
« on: November 30, 2021, 07:29:57 PM »
Frank, if you are growing in containers I agree with you that FD might be too dwarfing.  However, when I planted trees on c-35 and other unknown rootstocks in the ground they became extremely vigorous, growing easily 3x as fast as they did in their containers.

I feel the rhizosphere has a large impact on this! It would make sense that they'd be a lot better in ground. Overall though, I think C-35 is one of the best for containers. FD is good for kumquats, as they are happy small and can hold lots of fruit at their small size.

Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Aus. Blood Lime (aka Red Centre lime) Budwood
« on: November 30, 2021, 07:25:13 PM »
Trade preferred for some interesting varieties! Doesn't have to be citrus, but if not, ones that will root well.

Sale for $15 for 4 sticks, $3 shipping

Note this is pretty thin budwood, as its very dwarf and bushy type, but an interesting variety not commonly sold in the states. Red Centre lime is not Australian red finger lime. They're round and smaller fruits getting a dark Burgundy color. I typically root these as cuttings and they do very well. I have three of those rooted now. The parent tree has fruited multiple times in the past and is currently blossoming.

same variety as this:

Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: Flying Dragon plant
« on: November 27, 2021, 11:18:40 PM »
Personally, I would prefer trees on other things than FD. Iíve found a semi-dwarf such as C-35 or Standard Trifoliate, or even US-942 are much better choices, even in containers. FD in containers tends to grow about 1.5ft and non stop fruit, rarely putting on any other foliage. So leaving the tree rather bare and to struggle a lot. Just my personal preference though. Trees on FD rootstock just grow so awfully slow!

Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: Flying Dragon plant
« on: November 25, 2021, 09:39:21 AM »
Tried messaging him and didn't respond, wanted to know if his flying dragon was true to seed or zygotic

Most FD are true, or mostly true to seed. Mine were seed grown of 6 years and fruit stands true.

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