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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Fukushu vs. Meiwa
« on: July 23, 2022, 03:38:08 PM »
 Between nagami and meiwa, I find that nagami gives you a juicy sweet/tart experience, whereas meiwa seems to be all rind/pith. My trees are container grown and more than 6yrs old. I prefer the nagami, but this year I should have my first fukushu to try.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Edible lemon rind
« on: July 23, 2022, 03:33:00 PM »
Very curious about this, too, since I like to eat fresh lemon rinds.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: whick rootstock is this?
« on: June 30, 2022, 10:18:00 PM »
Here is my volk. I think the petioles do not match

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Wilting on inground Meiwa kumquat
« on: June 15, 2022, 04:51:09 PM »
My potted plants definitely do this, although it does make me nervous.
Seems like that kind of stress is not ideal.

Citrus General Discussion / flowers but no fruit
« on: June 15, 2022, 04:48:49 PM »
I've had this (ungrafted) limequat since 2016. Had a few small crops off of it.

Last year, plant had many flowers, I didn't get fruit. I had been spraying nearby plants with hort oil and figured that was the cause, but I believe I had a second flower flush with no fruit. Don't recall if there were fruit that formed and fell off, tho. (you know how tiny quats are)
Plants are all crowded closely on my deck, so now I move the flowering ones when I spray hort oil (big hassle). I might try covering with a light cloth, but that could damage flowers.

But even being so careful, the limequat appears to be doing the same this year. It just finished flowering (a lot!) but I only see 2 tiny fruits.

I have other plants flowering and setting fruit.

The only other thing I am wondering about is the rootball. I have repotted twice since getting this, and the root mass is very dense at the top of pot, you cannot get a finger stuck into the media. Despite that, the plant does not seem to suffer from watering issues. I am basing that on the foliage, but I do know that water is especially important around flowering.

What could I do about the dense root issue? I have run a metal skewer through from the top of rootball to create channels, fwiw.

Plants get urea and Peter's 25-5-15 and this plant looks very healthy otherwise.

(p.s. I did stain my deck last season, so that horrible peeling you see is because I used a new/inferior stain >:()

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Flavor of the lemonquat rind
« on: June 06, 2022, 12:14:00 PM »
yes, grams, lol

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Flavor of the lemonquat rind
« on: May 29, 2022, 02:01:36 PM »
Took me 4 years to get a single fruit from my Harris Sunquat.
53 ounces. 9 segments, 2 seeds
Good orange flavour, plenty of juice, not very sweet. Peel thin and somewhat bitter.
I didn't get anything lemony from it. Still a young plant, of course.

I wonder if other sources are different hybrids and thus more lemony?

I have some restaurant bus bins that were used for an event and then given to me. I use these for garden stuff but not planted in them. After 2-3 years outside, they show no signs of deterioration. I keep another one in my trunk and find it infinitely useful, especially when you buy a dirty, wet bag of soil, etc.

Also a concrete mixing pan that I use as an inground water feature, going strong after 20+ years. Currently obtainable pans may be totally different plastic, of course. These items sometimes show up at thrift stores. The rectangular shape may not be the best, although they do line up nicely on a growing/potting bench.


I put my trees under grow lights during the winter. The conditions in the grow room are very similar to what you listed, especially for branches close to the lights.

Can trees die from damage of spider mites?
Spider mites can definitely kill a plant.
Also, some spider mites do not make webs, they just look like little specks of dirt.

I have used Alpha Chemicals since 2019 and not had burning.
Perhaps do another limited test application?
Are you sure the dilution rate was correct?

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Leaves slowly willting
« on: February 21, 2022, 04:44:58 PM »
Two of my container citrus (kumquat hybrids) wilted rather suddenly like this, and I still have no idea why.  Roots look fine, soil is free-draining, they are in the same greenhouse with a hundred other (mostly citrus) plants that are perfectly healthy.  But on these, the leaves wilted up and the branches are now dying. 

I would check root temperature for sure, though.  The soil might be much colder than 55F, and possibly going long periods below this temp so roots may become inactive.
Yup, same here. I have more quats than other citrus, but I've had this sudden wilting thing happen a few times on the quats. I have yet to pull a plant out to look at the roots, I rather doubt it would actually tell much.
Very baffling.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: how to rescue heavily stressed citrus trees?
« on: September 08, 2021, 05:22:01 PM »
The tangled leaves certainly show symptoms of insect damage most likely done when they were young tender new leaves.  The damage was probably done by an insect called a thrip.  Thrip pierce the leaf surface and suck out the internal juices.  After the new leaves firm up thrips will not harm them much.  To keep young leaves from this harm, spray all new flushes with a horticultural oil/water solution (40 grams HO/gallon water) in the morning ,every two days.  Doing this the leaves grown into healthy firm foliage.  One could also use a soap solution or a neem solution,.
Thank you, I did not realize the life cycle of the thrip was so short. I have not been spraying frequently enough!

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Osmocote Plus is cheap on Amazon right now
« on: September 08, 2021, 05:15:55 PM »
Yes it still has the empty pill shells.  A shame, but I don't know of a better slow release option.  If you have a suggestion let me know :)

Brian, not trying to bash. I'm getting more lazy as I get older and consolidating my ferts. I've used Pro Gro Citrus and Avocado for last 4 years as my base fert. Does not last nearly as long but I add it monthly for potted plants and use it per label for in ground trees. I just don't want to mess with those plastic balls in my yard. Another chore for me!

Thanks for including the photos in your post.

So, is everyone using slow release in addition to another fert? I thought many of us were using just Peter's 25-5-15 ?

I too dislike the prills - a lot of the plants I am getting now (not citrus) have green prills. Yuk.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Madison Citrus Nursery.
« on: July 18, 2021, 02:09:10 PM »
Thank you, I was unaware of this source.
A lot of fun stuff (not all of it in stock)! So many quats! Really unusual to see all the limequats offered.

Before grafting did the twigs spend any time in the refrigerator, perhaps in the Crispr drawer.
good one! :)

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Indoor Citrus
« on: July 03, 2021, 10:41:57 PM »
Not to discourage anyone, but I also have not had great success with 5-1-1, for citrus and other plants.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Blob on citrus tree
« on: May 24, 2021, 06:19:17 PM »
If there is little risk to treating for phyto. with sulfur, you might want to try that.
Hard for me to see your pics, but I had a mostly clear, gel like, substance that looked like distinct blobs. I assumed it was an insect issue, did no treatment, and the plant is still alive. I had previously seen similar stuff on a kumquat fruit where a caterpillar had eaten into the fruit and left the blobs Ďbehindí.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Most bloom ever
« on: April 03, 2021, 06:57:19 PM »
Sprayed with 0.25% LB urea  in late January following Millet's advice causes my washington navel to produce the most bloom ever.  I have this tree since 1995 and it has never given this many flowers before.  Thank you Millet.

What will I do if it sets a million of fruits 🤔 ? ???  It is a semi-dwarf tree and only 5 feet tall.

Does that apply to all citrus tree varieties. Also where does one purchase the Urea spray and how do you determine the amount to spray. Thanks

I bought it from Fruit Grower Supply.  50lbs bag.  I believe you can apply to all citrus, except kumquat,  to promote extra bloom.  I mixed 2 TBS per gal of water
I was unaware of a reason to exclude kumquats from urea spray. I have sprayed mine for 2 years now...?

I recall sumos being somewhat more expensive Than other citrus, at grocery store, but was shocked to see them at $3 per fruit this year. I have yet to try one. Iíll just stick with my ridiculously expensive kumquats.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Can I still use this low-biuret urea
« on: January 01, 2021, 03:15:44 PM »
U Minn. states that biuret forms during manufacture at temps above 200F, and does NOT increase with storage or in soil (

I am also wondering what I can do with leftover urea. I have young citrus seedlings which will not be flowering, and a variety of tropicals -I'm thinking bananas and colocasias. Perhaps use a reduced urea concentration spray? I don't think any of the citrus seedlings have new growth at this time, that might be damaged.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Sugar Belle Orangs
« on: January 01, 2021, 02:47:54 PM »
Grocery store had these on sale, 5 for $1, which is a great price.
I've eaten 4, and they sure forgot the "sugar" part. Some of them are dry at the top, as well. But certainly easy to peel. All of them had one or 2 seeds

Citrus General Discussion / Re: How to control thrips
« on: January 01, 2021, 02:39:11 PM »
I find them pretty much impossible to see, so they are hard for me to monitor and be organized enough to enact a proper spray schedule.
But I understand spinosad and kaolin sprays may be part of a control strategy. Neem probably has some effect, as well.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Can I still use this low-biuret urea
« on: December 29, 2020, 11:36:58 AM »
That is a good idea, I am going to do a test spray.
How many days do you think it would take for damage to show up?

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Earthworms in pots
« on: November 29, 2020, 11:37:48 PM »
I wouldn't think the volume of castings would affect the drainage significantly. 
For vermicomposting I have read that you put a piece of bread on the surface attract them, and then you can collect them. Didn't work for me, though.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Just an observation,
« on: October 21, 2020, 12:11:21 PM »
An off topic forum?

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