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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Forcing dragon fruit to bloom ?
« on: August 14, 2022, 10:45:31 AM »
Hi, What are the ways, ive read before u can prune the older hanging branches/ tip them, and this forces the same branch to flower, true?
Ive read about drought stress resulting in blooming?

I have about a 5 ft. dead oak of over 5 years with many dragon fruit growing up it. This has been the least rain in the summer that I remember at this location. The dragon fruit have responded with the most flowers and fruit of any year in the past.... Interesting that you brought drought up. Also I have not thrown any fertilizer on mine since at least last December. Could be by chance or could be what you mentioned drought as a possibility... I'm sure the big growers would have a much better idea than I and would like to hear from someone growing 12 or more pole plantings etc. to chime in with what do they do to increase blooming odds and fruit production

Woodpeckers and bluejays primarily:::

Carrie fruit: the sour seed is one of my favorite bones to chew.

Super Julie: Also a deliciously sour seed to gnaw on.

Some Keitts: They have to be correctly inoculated by the bugs through the cracks in the fruit to get that perfectly balanced sour/vinegar seed taste.

Who else likes to gnaw on seeds and which varieties and what tastes keep you gnawing on that seed?   :P :P :P

I have problems with a woodpecker.
He pecks a whole in a mango and then he knocks it on the ground
and he eats the whole thing before he goes to the next one.
It takes 3-4 days for him to eat one mango
Last year I had 50 pickerings no problem this year I had 15
He ended up getting 3. I had to pick them green and they were not
as good. I left the last big one that was under the canopy and put an
apple under the tree. It didn't work and he got the last one.
He also loves sapodillas, mulberries and jabos. He likes to peck on the gutter at
daybreak also.
Well, someone (not I) must have trained these birds in my yard table etiquette....
There is no way mine would fly down to the grown to eat dropped fruit.... Why no way, that's just dirty.... It immediately goes for the next hanging sweet tart till it too falls off the tree.

I have heard them pecking fiercely on the neighbors gutter... lol... I'm hoping they will knock themselves out...

Luckily no sapodilla damage .... yet....

The mulberries I never watch and as W. mentioned, too many mulberries to notice any significant loss.

The birds are pretty smart here... As soon as they see me coming outside with my air powered lead shooter.... They take off and fly down 3 to 4 trees till I walk down and of course then they fly farther down from me.

Small common woodpecker - most damage here flying/pecking sweettart to sweettart.
(Large endangered species woodpeckers do not harm mangos IMO)

Common bluejay - 2nd most damage here and is not endangered (aka open season).
(Not endangered scrubjays)

It's far-fetched that a species evolves into another over a million years, yet some all-powerful deity zapping everything into existence and everything staying the same isn't.

What is farther fetched than a Deity???
Why,  Someone believing that a "primordial soup" somehow "sparked" into life.... lol
The only thing that could and can today turn sterile molecules into living, changing organisms is a Deity.
Show me where I'm wrong or make something alive from a "primordial soup"...

Should I Stay or Should I Go (Remastered)

Fine looking tree. As mentioned in 1 year that's a lot of growth.

If you don't have high winds above 40mph, my guess is the trunk will get thick with time as it has plenty of leaves looking good sending sugars down.

Thus if no high winds you could do nothing...

If a hurricane is coming before the trunk naturally thickens in a year or more, trim a lot or remove a lot of the leaves.

If you kept cutting only the top shoots over the next 5 years the tree will grow outward and will also send limbs down closer to the ground.

It really doesn't matter a lot with a Glen as they tend to bear pretty good even without good air flow by cutting out some of the center limbs; but you could if desired. Almost any option is available to you with a Glen.

Glad you (Bovine) enjoyed the pics, thus here is a little more experimenting....

I have another smaller green seedling near a ditch that I just tasted and it was also one dimensional sweet only but once again a nice sweetness. This mango has a very small seed (the fruit was also a little smaller than other fruit) which is smaller and thinner than Phillipine or Okrung seeds.

I'm really not sure which seedling tree at a ditch it was so I guess I will save them all till next year. The seed has an unusual growth coming off it into the fruit brown to blackish. I have only had years ago the white calcium internal deposits in varieties like Venus but this looks really different but then again probably just due to such a young tree. I'm pretty sure the skin was not punctured by a boring insect making the black growth on the seed.

I previously tasted 2 other seedling trees bearing but have no pics of them. 1 was good tasting & 1 was bad tasting IMO... So 3 out of 4 is pretty good odds for me for this year fruit from seedling bearing trees...

Last year I think I tasted 2 seedlings and I was 1 for 2  (50%) thus grafted the bad tasting seedling.

The year before that I was 1 for 2 also on good tasting seedlings. Unfortunately my favorite seedling with a little pumpkin taste rotted due to being loved to death by a family member throwing mango cuttings too close to the tree trunk (probably) and thus forming an anerobic area/bacteria/fungus/etc. & unfortunately death to it. Since then, I have carefully explained no plant waste thrown at the base of the trees; only at the drip line.

I decided to let a few seedling bear rather than grafting and this one put out a fruit that looks like sweet tart but no sharp tart or sharp sweet tastes. At the total green stage and still firm, it tastes only sweet but a good sweetness to me something between glen & ripe keitt taste but probably more like some of my smaller seedling Keitt than either.

It's sort of fun seeing what your seedling will bear and I plan to keep this one as I get burnt out with tasting too many sharp tastes of sweet tart etc. and I crave the milder tastes during those periods.

When starting with seeds from good mango trees it seems to be a lot easier to get new seedling trees producing a fruit with a good taste vs bad tastes than I previously thought years ago.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best mangos of this season
« on: July 23, 2022, 06:15:59 PM »


The most interesting mango experience though was a tasting with nick “urbanmangos” on instagram where I brought a lemon zest from my mothers tree which is 30 ft tall, unmanaged with pruning and no fertilization or care and we ate it side by side with one that he grew. It was night and day difference, he takes great care of his trees. My mothers was less sweet and flesh more juicy where his was larger, sweeter and flesh was more creamy/firmer texture and absolutely delicious the real potential of lemon zest. I really should be helping out with my moms tree and that’s on me but you know schedules and kids ects… My take home from that experience was you can eat the same cultivar grown by two different people and one can be bland just based off how it was grown, seems obvious, but the impact was so noticeable it was like two different mangos, totally wild.
Good to point out exceptions to most common thinking on growing mangos... Interesting as we are all use to hearing not to fertilize near as much when trees are larger...
Interesting watching Hidden acres video where he says his watering system is on a regular basis  with no decreased impact of taste noted with watering...
A lot of variables. A lot of guessing on best practices, perhaps always changing with each individual location.

I shared a few Carrie today with someone requesting mangos that taste sour & sweet. This first time carrie fan loved them saying that was exactly the taste I wanted.

Another guy the other day ate a Carrie and immediately said they reminded him of Cuban mangos and I believe he also said they are called blackies in Cuba...

All the mangos IMO have been good tasting this year, perhaps my trees are just larger and better providers of essential nutrients/sugars than when younger. (If I had put this element nutrient fertilizer etc on it last year, It would have been easy to draw a false conclusion that that was why my mangos tasted better this year than last... lol... Good thing I did not add anything new to my practices to avoid false assumptions and conclusions lol.._)

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Heaviest Mango 2022
« on: July 20, 2022, 10:56:49 PM »
In my opinion (IMO), for best taste with Valencia Pride... Let it go overripe with the brown dots all over it and you will usually have a much sweeter pineapple taste.... When it looks like it's starting to rot... This old vulture jumps right on that mango....   :P


I know when I Hurt my back , and could not move off my stomach for 2 months

Oil is heavier then water good for keeping pee jug from not smelling

(I thought of it myself, but  they have eco  urinals that use no water like that)

(Also people used to preserve wine  like that with Olive oil to prevent Oxidization after opening a bottle
(for more then 3 days wine can be ruined -- or unless you use inert gas or wine saver to suck air out )
 I learned Old Italians would then drip the bread in the oil floating on the wine...

Wait a second Don't you guys have GMO Mosquitos
Do not know if those lay eggs in Oil maybe they like GMO canola/soy oil as well.

depending how many barrels you have you could get some oil behind a restaurant that fries food. (or call, and ask)

Don't have much to say about eliminating roaches or mosquitos. Just keep the numbers low with stomping, spraying, and swating...

But concerning the statement:::
"Oil is heavier then water good for keeping pee jug from not smelling " = False

Choosing an oil heaver (more dense) than water or pee means the oil will sink below the water and or pee.

For the sake of anyone trying to pass a basic science test and the question states Does oil float on water? Answer Yes or true (some exceptions exist like when combined with silicon it sinks below water etc. etc.)

If this oil is floating on water it will be less dense per volume (space) occupied.
For the question of: Is it heavier than water? No .... It's lighter if floating... (Lead is denser (heavier per volume) and will sink to be bottom of pee or water)

I hope that most assume the oil used  to cover the pee is actually less dense and lighter than pee and thus it floated above the pee thus lowering the vaporization and smell of the 2 month old pee jug...

If you really used oil that was heavier (denser) than pee.... It would have sunk below the pee and after 2 months that would be a foul smelling pee jug...  :)

I read an article once about how bud wood can revert to the juvenile phase, if a tree is grafted and bud wood is taken from the vigorous growth and grafted again before it can bloom. The more generations that occur without blooming, the more likely it is for the reversion to happen. I think that may be one of the issues people are dealing with if they have a tree that does not bloom for several years and then fruits normally. I suspect this may be the case with some of the newer Zill mangoes that had shortages of bud wood and high levels of demand. Some of the other trees sound like they have disease issues or another problem.

Interesting possibility......

I actually think a decrease of sunlight due to tree competition shading as the most likely reason for the delaying of bloom on my 2 of 15 sweet tart trees. But it is definitely not the problem with my phoenix tree as about 13 ft tall and about 12 ft broad planted in full sun exposure.

I am very happy that one of my favorite tasting mangos (Sweet Tart) is Also probably my most dependable producer in my yard. Nice having many delicious mangos being so easy to grow......

Updated::: Nope,,, Glen is more dependable in my yard...

IMO someone with 3 or less trees only in their yard needs to be informed of the odds of zero production for many years with some varieties. (The other answer is of course plant more trees as I have thus no problem with a year of a variety not producing)

Another tree that Alex does well with production in prior years posts is Iman Pasand....
In my yard, it flowers and sets small fruit every year. Recently I have gotten some to maturity. However all of my mature fruit are cracked.... Thus a caveat to Iman Pasand at least in my more fungus prone area.

P.S... lol.. Back to Topic::: Please post any of your consistent fruiting Failures.....

Iman Passand does that in West Palm Beach too. But we’re still able to get plenty of edible ones. People who love Iman Passand will even buy the cracked ones actually.

Update::: Iman Passand bush/tree produced 2 MANGO without Splitting in my fungus area (fungus on them). Perhaps the 40 - 60 mph winds took off the excess to increase the odds or these 2 larger than previous years split small fruits reaching maturity.

Tastes: Mix of flower/coconut/tropical. Sweet. I wanted it to go overripe to make sure not better that way but I actually preferred the area not overripe vs. overripe areas. More flower tastes appeared near the seed. I enjoyed it for a Variety of Taste addition as no other mango with these tastes mixed in my collection; and it was/is a good tasting mango.

Over all the years, not a good producer for me and NOT recommended for a single homeowner with only 5 trees in the yard.

Had to update and give the mango it's due, as it did finally produce for me.

What I encounter more often is snobs that actually don't know anything about mangos. I remember taking a delicious green skin mango into work once. Some one else simultaneously brought a large pink skinned mango of inferior quality... Guess which one people turned their noses up at? That is right the green skined mango--which people never bothered to taste. Sigh!
I like to say, "The prettiest are often not the sweetest" ... That goes for people, mangos, etc... lol

If you see an uglier mango for sell next to a bunch of pretty ones, It wouldn't be there if not good tasting as it sure isn't there for it's looks... lol

On another thread discussing Pickering. I realized that I may be a mango snob. Then I became curious if there was a test or quiz to determine such a snobby attitude. I think if there was such a questionnaire one of the indicators of snobbishness would be what you give away and share. Right away I started to make a list of what I give to my mother-in-law. Maybe another indicator or question would be if someone ask you if you have any of your favorite variety. You suddenly get amnesia never heard of it. I'm curious if anyone else knows of an indicator or proper question for such a quiz or test

I've never heard of that
Mango Snob: When your still new to tasting limited quantities of the new varieties.... Why? Initially these new tastes of lemon Pie with cream etc. etc. etc. are overwhelmingly good especially since you never had them before verses the traditional mangos.

Then comes a day when you have so many lemon meringue, lemon zest, Duncan, manilla,  lemon zest that you experience mango burnout for those tastes. I guess I could add orange essence, orange sherbert, venus, kathy, etc. to that grouping... And suddenly you can not tolerate eating another vs. something totally different like a fully overripe Valencia Pride that was recently identified as a mango not liked by mango snobs but suddenly desired by the person with over 100 trees and many mangos available.... At that point you know you have graduated from the mango snob and are now full circle and you are now more of a mango guru knowing that too much of any given variety is not good and thus you really don't have a favorite mango variety as too much of anything is bad and you must must must have a Variety of tastes....

The old saving Variety is the Spice of Life... I fully agree and no favorite variety really exists for me......

I can totally agree how any given day I could change "my favorite for the day/moment" from a new variety to a classic older variety, as it really varies daily with what I've been eating and how much and are my taste buds just overloaded with that newer variety taste .... if so ... I want a different variety and taste.... So my view is get all of the typical flavors so you can switch tastes and don't go too much of any variety in your yard vs. diversifying varieties planted that tastes different...

Lady requests and gets 1/2 greenish and 1/2 ripe mangos.

Lady calls back later after leaving and my wife hands me the phone for the question she has for me to answer.

Do Green Mangos weight more than Ripe Mangos?

My initial thought was I misunderstood as she has a different accent than mine and thus I asked for her to slowly repeat the question.

Nope, it was the same... lol......

What's some you've been asked???    ;D ;D ;D

Mmmmm... Looks like I need to give the Answer::: They weight the same; the scale could care less if 10 lb of greenish not fully ripe mangos or 10 lb of ripe mangos...
The Lady was insinuating she got less mangos today than previous visits because half were green. (I go by weight not number of mangos). She got exactly what she asked for....

If the lady had really wanted to know about the weight of a picked greenish mango  vs. the same mango 2-5 days later when fully ripe.... Of course some loss of fluid would occur but probably an insignificant amount and thus a tiny tiny bit lighter....

Actually any mango even a picked ripe mango would weight marginally less after  2-5 days  (perhaps wrinkled)... I hope all already knew that; but IMO an insignificant weight loss difference.

Lady requests and gets 1/2 greenish and 1/2 ripe mangos.

Lady calls back later after leaving and my wife hands me the phone for the question she has for me to answer.

Do Green Mangos weight more than Ripe Mangos?

My initial thought was I misunderstood as she has a different accent than mine and thus I asked for her to slowly repeat the question.

Nope, it was the same... lol......

What's some you've been asked???    ;D ;D ;D

It was windy with scattered rain this morning, causing some unripe fruits to drop.
One of them is from a mango tree labelled as Orange Sherbet that I got from Florida 2 years ago.
The tree arrived half dead, shippen bareroot and lost in mail for 5 weeks. It was also had bad anthracnose.
I lost hope but still nursed it. 2 years later it is a happy strong mango tree.
 I picked up the fallen mango and an overwhelming jasmine smell blew me away.
I don't have any jasmine plant in my yard. The OS mango tree is in ground next to a tomato, a suriname cherry, and a calamodine. But there is no bloom or flower at all on the calamodine now.
Is this a mislabelled Orange Sherbet?
My husband confirms that this mango smells really flowery too.
Other mangoes that are still hanging on the tree do not have a strong flowery smell though.
Pictures attached.

Unfortunately for me, I have a very small tree that grows really slow that smells like  jasmine to gardenia when sap is released from the fruit... It also splits almost if not every fruit in my fungus prone area of south florida... I have not enjoyed this slow growing tree that also blooms quite often setting more small fruit.
If you want to make perfume, it would be a classic plant to use... lol... However I do not... Thus the plant that you would want to rule out if these tree/fruit qualities match yours is Iman Passand...

Once again, I do not know what your tree is... Only a R/O suggestion.

Alex is the expert on Iman Passand and has said in the past that people that like this mango... love it and are willing to even buy the cracked fruit....
Re: Grafted mango varieties never produced mature fruit over 4 consecutive years
« Reply #18 on: March 31, 2022, 08:22:10 PM

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: sewer roots
« on: June 12, 2022, 03:58:13 PM »
Feed your nice trees root killer?  Hmmmm
Spaugh, already mentioned your way would be longer lasting results but suggested a cost time benefit analysis be considered.
No nitrogen or other plant feeding ingredients in it.... Only herbicide that according to google search says "Dichlobenil is an herbicide commonly used to control weeds in gardens, lawns, near ornamental trees, and various other settings. It also controls aquatic (water) weeds such as cattail and purple loosestrife. Dichlobenil stops seed germination, cellulose (cell wall) formation, and growth in plant roots and shoots.Jul 1, 2017"

I see no listing of it ever killing a tree from use in septic systems but am open for your findings?
Will Foaming Root Killer harm my trees?
No, Foaming Root Killer is a contact root killer and will only kill the roots it comes in direct contact with

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: sewer roots
« on: June 12, 2022, 02:55:59 PM »

should have clarified.  Are any of the sewer cleaning products safe for the underground pipes?  Like they won't eat away at them.  I had a friend just tell me you can have a liner installed in them as well

Go to amazon reviews... You selected to discuss Roebic foaming root killer ::: a product claimed not to damage pipes. I believe it is a herbicide but have not verified...

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: sewer roots
« on: June 12, 2022, 02:18:06 PM »

and is it safe?
I am tickled by relative questions since I know we all will die and it's only a matter of odds/time/ and risk to benefits...

You look like you are talking California and of course they have more danger warnings on products than most states. They have not yet put a danger on city drinking water that contains Florine and Chlorine although they know both to be potentially toxic per multiple sources googled on halogens easily online.... They seem to be very selective in their warnings as most things. including too much distilled water, can kill... I have not & will not check their list but surprisingly amazon in product description has this foaming root killer banned for use in septic systems in Florida and I suspect due to our high water table and chance of getting back into well water.   

Amazon has good opinions on product use and potential warnings...

Plastic pipes dont get roots in them because they seal well.  Its when the pipe cracks from old age or rot and then water seeps out.  Old 1960s houses with cast iron pipe from the house to the curb get roots in the rotted pipe and need to be replaced with plastic. 

Its not even that big of a job to upgrade to plastic if you want to prevent cast iron from getting clogged with roots.  Easier to do on your timeline than the trees.  I had an old cast iron sewer line get tree roots and had water backed up in the tub in the house.  Plumber snaked it and got the snake stuck in there and I dug it up in the middle of august here 110F outside for 3 days I dug it out and replaced with plastic.  3 ft down in bed rocks.   
Impressive labor intensive but correct way to do it spaugh...

If old, lazy, weaker than spaugh, no money available to hire someone, planning on moving soon, or no time to do it type of guy::: According to amazon reviews poster on opinions said use it every 3 months... If $15 to $30/ every 3 months x 4 = $120/year max. If you live another 20 years or do not move then that would come to $1200 to $2400...   How much would the correct way listed above have cost if hiring someone?

If not illegal or no police dropping in on you while your in the bathroom foaming the toilet, do a cost/risk to benefit analysis and make your decision.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: when to pick this M4 (with pics)
« on: June 11, 2022, 01:14:45 PM »

Good luck...

**it happens to all... sometimes....

Well, back to my positive self... Can't say my glass is half full but can say it's 1/3 full today   :)

We had 40 to 60mph storm on 6.6.22 in Palm City, Stuart, and Port St. lucie with significant mango loss especially on those larger and closer to harvest... But as mentioned, thankfully my glass is still 1/3 full...

Just thought I would post as it's good to know that bad things happen to good people, bad people, and all people at times so keep positive when your enjoying your harvest, some is always better than none....

What happened to squirrely Waldo?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Squirrels eat unripe mangoes
« on: June 05, 2022, 02:43:32 PM »
The squirrels are eating 50% of my green Maha Chanok,

Need some suggestions to preserve the mangoes (beside killing or having a dog/cat).

I'm thinking getting airsoft gun to scare it  ;D.
1. cinder blocks surrounding all tress drip lines and fill with cement and put 2/4 or 4x4 posts from concrete to 2 ft. above each tree. Chicken wire across all posts permitting rain & sunlight but no rodents access to the trees/fruit.
2. Same idea... make a green house enclosing the yard/trees.

Other Fictional Options probably not as desirable to most:
1. Invite your squirrel to your psychologist therapy session and ya'll work it out...
2. If growing mangos is the full time job.... Consider a career change...
3. One of the family members  is hereby expelled from the house and given the airsoft gun to sit under the mango trees and scare it every time it (Squirrel/rodent) approaches. Who gets the first rainy night?

Surely all is 99% fictional/unrealistic/delusional expectations....

Mmmm time for my other choice.. This will solve it alllll::: glass of wine time... All is forgotten......

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