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Carrie fruit: the sour seed is one of my favorite bones to chew.

Super Julie: Also a deliciously sour seed to gnaw on.

Some Keitts: They have to be correctly inoculated by the bugs through the cracks in the fruit to get that perfectly balanced sour/vinegar seed taste.

Who else likes to gnaw on seeds and which varieties and what tastes keep you gnawing on that seed?   :P :P :P

I decided to let a few seedling bear rather than grafting and this one put out a fruit that looks like sweet tart but no sharp tart or sharp sweet tastes. At the total green stage and still firm, it tastes only sweet but a good sweetness to me something between glen & ripe keitt taste but probably more like some of my smaller seedling Keitt than either.

It's sort of fun seeing what your seedling will bear and I plan to keep this one as I get burnt out with tasting too many sharp tastes of sweet tart etc. and I crave the milder tastes during those periods.

When starting with seeds from good mango trees it seems to be a lot easier to get new seedling trees producing a fruit with a good taste vs bad tastes than I previously thought years ago.

Lady requests and gets 1/2 greenish and 1/2 ripe mangos.

Lady calls back later after leaving and my wife hands me the phone for the question she has for me to answer.

Do Green Mangos weight more than Ripe Mangos?

My initial thought was I misunderstood as she has a different accent than mine and thus I asked for her to slowly repeat the question.

Nope, it was the same... lol......

What's some you've been asked???    ;D ;D ;D

The most frustrating sight for me to see in my yard is a 12 ft tall tree 10 ft wide with ZERO mangos on it

The trees that I multiple grafted years ago are not part of the fruitless mango tree collection in my yard today.

My plans are to top work 5/6 of canopy of the fruitless trees with 1 or more typically productive variety in my yard. Any tree not bearing in a given year is wanting my grafting ability and I am doing it now. Trees grafted last few days pineapple pleasure, coconut cream, cotton candy (it bore good 3 years but nothing this year so I will graft a small part of it more like 1/4 to 1/3), a few M4 with low fruit set will also do 1/4 to 1/3  grafts... Phoenix is going to be 5/6 grafted as too pathetic in my yard being zero fruit 5 yrs (like pineapple pleasure also 5/6 grafted to new varieties).

The fear is that you will perhaps not have any of your favorite variety due to the other graft competition/shading/etc..... That fear is gone in me as I much prefer something on the tree vs. NOTHING.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Ways to Eat & Enjoy dropped Green Mangos
« on: April 08, 2022, 02:34:52 PM »
This past Wed. a storm came through dropping many many mangos from the trees before maturity.

1. The strong lemony taste with salt etc. is one way to eat them.

2. Some varieties like sweettart etc. will ripen to a limited degree in a week if desired to ingest at that time.

3. My spouse took many of the green mangos and boiled them for about 40 minutes till the peeling went from green to a yellow tint. Once cooled spooning this out is a gel with very strong lemon to Key lime taste. It sort of reminds me of a strong jelled yogart.
 A. She used this to make a mango pie that taste like a key lime or lemon pie. Very good... Ingredients sweetened condensed milk + Cream Cheese + boiled green mango filling... You Must Make It... You will Not Be Disappointed...
 B. She also made a lemon pound cake using boiled green mango + yellow cake mix..... Also Very very good.
 C. Freeze it and use it later for anything that lemons or limes would normally be required... lol... (No longer a need for me to grow difficult citrus in S. Fl... YEA)......

Try it .... You will Like It....
This picture has a little of the pie filling seen from yesterday (I ate the rest). The mango next to the filling is 1/2 piece that was cooked & in refrigerator. But you can see the jelled appearance if zoom in. Apparently the cooking takes the starch & sugars and converts it into a jelly. Make sure soft before stopping the boil.

To my surprise my wife made another pie today so here is a picture of it with a piece of the remaining pound cake wrapped (I ate the rest lol).

IMO my mango trees planted closer to the house/concrete seem to have a lower rate of fungal issues with a higher rate of mango retention to maturity. I assume this to be due to the drying effect of concrete.

I keep thinking of the LZ picture from Arizona near the pool and concrete with the abundance of Mangos growing on it. I believe simon_grow posted it years ago.

What success have you had in planting near water/ponds/low lands/hills/rocks/forests/ under tall trees/ etc. etc. etc. and seeming to have a lower incidence of fungal issues from bloom to fruit maturation.

Regardless of how good a fruit may taste, if it never produces mature fruit.... It is useless to me...

If you also have over 15 varieties of mangos, what grafted trees have produced zero fruit over 4 years when the other varieties of the same size/maturity have produced fruit... I would like to know as I do NOT want to purchase more potentially unproductive trees.

1. Pineapple Pleasure- Huge tree trunk now and fruit always falls off (fungus/male flowers/etc.) I'm keeping it at 6ft till it produces a mature fruit. 4+ years and no mature fruit and this year 5th looks the same.
2. Phoenix = I let it grow since away from the house and 4+ years (this will be the 5th) and zero fruit. Fungus or male flowers primarily appear and disappear.

I have many productive varieties. I do not want to purchase more failures, regardless of taste... Please let me know of your failures...

I love strong sour/sweet tangerines and I was missing the dancy tangerines I use to eat in Florida at my house years ago.

To my surprise today at Aldi, 3 lb. bag for something like $3.... So I bought them to try as they felt firm and not dehydrated sitting to long in storage... Make sure they are not limp/dehydrated old... Mine all were great and going tomorrow to buy more as I'm hooked on a super sour and sweet taste that I've missed for many years and Jan. is the peak for Florida picked fruits but may be overseas or from California and it only says on the label:::  Tiny and Tasty Easy Peel MANDIES Mandarins by Aldi... Distributed exclusively by Aldi, Bativa, Il 60510.....

Too bad citrus is so hard to grown in Fl. 

Someone is having success somewhere and I hope others loving sour/sweet mandarin/tangerine taste go to Aldi quick.... for this amazing taste... Very small tiny but strong strong taste & worth it for sure to me...

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Buttermilk Mango Tonight
« on: August 23, 2021, 08:18:36 PM »
As most people know that enjoy making buttermilk, the secret is selecting the right bacteria starter.

Well I found my favorite starter hanging on the trees again today for my buttermilk Mango. Just go on down to the bottom of this and see those beauties basking in the kitchen sink... Umm Umm... They have been inoculated with the finest bacteria and hand delivered often by those little bugs moving from cracked mango to cracked mango...

Now the first step is cut just below the area the bacteria has cleaned up in the crack. Thus go to the second picture... Now if your a first time Carrie eater and can't handle a strong vinegar or sour taste, then just cut off a little bit more.

Now I pick up the mango and stick my beak into it and as you can see in the 3rd picture I left some teeth marks on all 3 and sure enough it's a 3 for 3 win with all of them being just right with that sour vinegar taste to go with the sweet orange flesh of the Keitt mango...

Now don't be shy guys, just put your beak right in and enjoy that stuff... it's gooood....

One of my favorite ways to eat mangos late in the year...   :)

Rosigold: Often a underperformer in my wet environment is an overperformer this year probably due to the dryness during the less spring rainfall.
Many years I considered cutting that half of the tree off with a few fruits only and often fungus infected.
It has been a better producer than the Glen on that tree that has half & half Rosigold.

Just another reason to keep many varieties and diversification as you never know what will happen year to year..

Pickering: As another forum member has mentioned for their pickering and mine also, it has been a dismal year with smaller than average fruit and little production with the drops and dryness. Last year was it's best year. About 4 years ago it tasted horrible when small but now (last year) taste pretty good once it's gotten above my height and many years of growth.... Probably next year will be better for it.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / .22 pellet gun with scope
« on: April 18, 2021, 04:21:25 PM »
Good air rifle for removing rodents.
1. Use lead pellets vs. aluminum etc. to increase impact force and decrease velocity of this air propelled lead .22.  You do not want neighbors to think it is propelled by gunpowder.

The weak link IMO on this gun is the scope may fall apart with too much jarring over time internally. Try to decrease jarring but unfortunately every shot probably shortens it's time before the plastic separates internally. 1 of 3 scopes failed in about 18 months and other 2 still work fine.

Today was $119.99 but probably has already changed as amazon rapidly adjusts prices.

With laws possibly changing, you might consider buying now vs. later...

No need to show if this topic has been mentioned before but I did not see it in a quick search but I think it would be a significant green leafy food addition to our diet.

Sweet potato leaves were picked by my wife from some sweet potato bulbs lightly covered with soil and watered for 2 weeks and there are a lot of leaves to eat.

I was surprised that they actually have a sweetness IMO when even eaten raw. Much better eaten raw than things like moringa or dollar weed IMO... Give them a try for your veggies as very easy to grow almost anywhere...

Now my wife also uses moringa leaves in many toppings to various dinners and I consider it more acrid and vinegar tasting & to be complemented with vinegar for a nice tartness on fish etc.

I am looking forward to the new sweet additional taste when she cooks.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / 2021 Mango Pictures
« on: January 05, 2021, 07:17:25 PM »

Happy hunting now and tomorrow morning for the falling iguana and unwanted slow moving reptiles like snakes during the cold spell...

I love the taste of Late Season Keitt, especially cut up in a slurry of chunks. It is also my favorite freezer mango and my freezer is full and now I just admire the remainder still on the trees.

It's just amazing to me how prolific a Keitt tree can be.

I've cleaned my (ns1 today) Jackfruit & removed the seeds & rag from the yellow sweet part typically eaten.

Now the rag remains and I decided to try eating it also. The first choice since I like french fries is fried rag in oil for about 8 minutes. Canola oil was used today but vegetable etc. should be fine. Also added my salt....

The result was delicious delicious mildly sweet "french fries".  :P  IMO sweeter & better than "Onion Rings or French Fries"

Sooo, try to eat it all.... or at least the Rag.... lol

Try it, You'll Like It....

Tropical Fruit Discussion / My first 2020 South Florida Mango... Rosigold
« on: February 22, 2020, 06:38:58 PM »
I had zero Rosigold the past 2 years due to fungal infections and I was very surprised to have 3 very early Rosigolds this year. Two are still on the tree with another bloom occurring now for Rosigold. The one pictured fell off the tree about 4 days ago & after a day or two it was as ripe as it would go as I could see some loss of plumpness and darkness on the skin. The seed was starting to turn brown. The skin on Rosigold is extremely bitter as I had forgotten since about 3 years ago since I last had one. However the flesh close to the skin was very nice. The other two on the tree are a similar color now but I think I will wait till they fall off before eating.

None of my other trees are even close to maturity with over a month for sure maybe 2 months. If I had only one tree, I would have probably already regrafted it as such a poor performer due to fungal issues. Now that it bore a few and has more blooms coming, I  will look a little more favorable & hopeful for it's future in the yard.


I'm surprised I don't see anyone else posting yet as I've never been early. As previously mentioned, I do not irrigate & believe the early bloom was due to increased soil moisture here with the very wet Fall & now Winter. The good news as it looks like a two crop year for some of the trees since a few set early & my normal bloom is about this time without watering.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Iguana removal opportunity with the cold
« on: January 21, 2020, 10:13:34 PM »
Just a few small ones have made it to my yard so far. They volunteered to exit the premises and go the way of the land fill with the trash.

Tomorrow may be a good opportunity to pick some up falling from the trees in South Florida and send on their way. I suggest a machete to aid in the quick removal... Good hunting at sunrise... lol.

Pulled a Okrung and getting some sweetness tonight...   :P
Anyone else enjoying their fruits of last year tonight?

When first starting mango tree growing years ago I read that a dry period in the winter is often preferred and the mango trees would respond after cool fronts approached with budding.

After this very wet fall and winter without any dry periods of exceeding 2 weeks duration (IMO), it is apparent that the dry period was not necessary for stimulation of mango bloom in my location in South Florida.

In years past I often asked people like Alex (has irrigation as most others with acreage) on this forum as to why their mango trees were blooming early and not mine (I have no irrigation system) since I am north of his location and I knew my temperature was colder than his if that (cool fronts) was the primary environmental stimuli for mango bloom. I now no longer believe that cool fronts are the primary stimuli needed as in prior years the cool fronts did nothing to stimulate my mango to bloom. Why???   There was not enough moisture in the soil & I was not irrigating and the quick fronts were not supplying enough water for a long enough time to the soil for the bloom response to occur with the cool weather and probably changes in seasonal sunlight to the trees (IMO). The lowest temperature in 34990 zip was 47 F the first week of December 2019 so far for this fall to winter end of 2019.

In prior dry fall/ winter years, the quick fronts would usually send some rain but not as much as Alex and others irrigation. Thus, I usually did not get a bloom response till Jan., Feb, or March. And of course with most cool to cold fronts there is some precipitation but usually less in the fall/winter vs. spring/supper cool fronts.

In California I have heard the primary problem is constant bloom with the cold fronts. I am curious if they can lessen the bloom response by severely limiting the water to the trees?

I do not know if I am happy or sad with this early bloom as I agree with most that IMO mango usually taste better in May & later vs. March/April but unsure if that is due to more sun, heat, or just more leaves per tree and fruit at the later times in spring to summer (I doubt the dilution of taste with rain theory but know many believe it)

Just in the mood to type... lol...

Pineislander brought up this subject in a different thread:::    "Not many usable legumes grow under the drip zone of a 12 ft tree, they may put down roots but will head outward to sun. In Florida the best lawn alternative I found was Mimosa strigillosa. If you want info just PM me I am close to 2 acres lawn free and working towards selling the mower when I get all 4 acres done."

Well, I'm all for no more mowing so please pictures, explain more, any other people doing this, & where is a good price for seeds etc.???   
Is saying mowing/herbicides is still needed " Powderpuff is not an overly aggressive plant and
other plants will eventually come into the stand.
Unwanted plants can be controlled by mowing or use
of an herbicide wick. Glyphosate can be applied to
treat cool season weeds after powderpuff goes
dormant in the fall; however, care should be taken as
powderpuff may not become dormant in the most
southern portions of its range."

You said you will sell your mower... are you sure???   Just reading...

With the end of mango season in South Florida rapidly approaching for another year, I try my best to savor every remaining mango. Two mango that although full of fungus on the skin to the point of the skin cracking open and  then often getting additional bugs invading I still find delicious most of the time and I'm not afraid to take a bite and see how the flavor has changed after removing the bugs/fungus/excess bacteria.

First up is sweettart. I am just shocked at how good the mango which looks black with fungus and cracked skin and probably yeast/bacteria in it to a degree is still delicious most of the time (it is possible that I won't like it but very very few times. The tartness has left it at this point and I get a very intense navel orange or tangerine taste. I am currently eating one such overripe sweettart and really enjoying it. I have no good answer as to why it seldom tastes foul in my yard  It just seems to be very resistant to rot or the orange taste is sooo good I don't notice any off flavors.

Next is Keitt mango. Late in the season here they are a mess of black fungus/anthracnose/ and probably yeast on the outside which I am guessing help crack the skin for invading bugs etc. Once I wash the bugs off (not a big fan of eating bugs), I usually carry them inside for up to 4 days to try to get them to ripen more even with the bad spots & cracks and I occasionally cut off a little of the bad areas & place it on the counter. It does more often go into a foul taste vs. the sweettart so probably smell it first. But, often the cracked areas become very pleasant IMO to eat as they often taste sour like vinegar and this area is usually a lighter flesh color than the surrounding bright orange flesh in most cases. The bright orange is intensely sweet and this added to the vinegar taste is very delicious IMO. I am guessing bacteria has soured it sort of like buttermilk. Just a guess but I really enjoy it.

So if you feel daring, give them a try if any left before tossing them into the garbage or recycle bin. .

Most of us are novices when our first tree begins to  produce fruit as to when to pick.
I had three new trees producing for me this year and I had a difficult time determining proper time to pick as I will explain.

PPK (new in my yard) matured and dropped the fruit at the last stage from green to yellow to orange. This fruit was delicious at this stage and I only tried yellow stage once and it was worse IMO.

LZ (new in my yard) matured and dropped the fruit usually at the middle stage from green to yellow. IMO this fruit was not as good as PPK at this stage. I finally kept looking at pictures & colors & saw most when tasting were eating it at the orange stage. Thus I brought it inside & set on counter for 5 to 7 days to go from yellow to orange. On my final two LZ at last IMO I was able to agree that LZ was equal to (not better IMO) PPK. IMO I wasted many LZ by eating them when they fell from the tree the same day but were yellow unlike the PPK which dropped orange.

Philippine (not new in yard) this fruit matured and fell from the tree from still greenish to greenish yellow to totally yellow. At any stage IMO from any hint of yellow IMO this fruit was good to eat. At the total yellow stage it became sweeter but less lemony. This fruit did not go to orange color. This fruit is easy to enjoy at either greenish yellow or all yellow IMO good tasting.

NDM : Nam Doc Mai (new in my yard) matured and dropped yellow in my yard. My first two I tried I was very disappointed in the taste at this all yellow stage so I tried ripening it more like with the LZ and PPK but it now tasted worse. I remembered reading Cookies comments about his wife liking it a lot and went back and read the old posts. I saw where he said eat it greenish. I went outside today & picked my last two which were still greenish with a spilt unfortunately in both. I ate one and refrigerated the other to slow the ripening..... This mango is the opposite to LZ & PPK which needed to be sort of overripe...... It tasted great in the greenish to slight hint of yellow mixed in stage.... Yes eat this mango greenish to greenish yellow and do not let it go totally yellow IMO if you want to enjoy it....

I know there must be other new tree novices out there and wanted to help you from wasting (IMO) so many great mangos due to not knowing the proper stage for maximum taste... Of course IMO... Enjoy....  ;)

Okrung:  (not new to my yard) matured greenish yellow and dropped. IMO very good at this stage or sometimes drops yellow and still very sweet & good so similar to philippine in having a broad window of colors to have a good taste. Does not progress to orange and sometimes will not go all yellow but instead from greenish to brown spots  starting to decay... A great tasting mango and more hints of lime when greenish especially if biting the skin.

Young aka tebow:  (not new to my yard) Heavy mango that tends to fall from tree yellow. Taste is greatly improved if brought inside (as with LZ) and allow about 5-7 days to go from yellow to orange before eating.

IMO - abbreviation for: In My Opinion. (for foreign language translation by google IMO may not be recognized without words)

The pods have went from green to light greenish on many plants. If picked and placed in paper bag, they should start ripening in 5 to 7 days inside most homes. So unusual it's always fun to explain and share a bite with others. Really funny when they say they have had it in their yard for 10 plus years and never tasted it....

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