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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Looking for Papaya Tree
« on: May 16, 2024, 01:59:52 PM »
You can get them at just about any big box store near Hollywood (Home Depot, Walmart, etc.) or local nurseries, but its all typical red papaya.

Unless someone local responds with a good variety for sale, I recommend starting multiple from seed and selecting a cultivar you know you will enjoy. Average of 1-1.5 yrs to begin fruiting and you have an endless supply of seeds and cuttings after that.

I highly recommend the University of Hawai'i ADSC Seed Program:

Papaya varieties are Waimanalo Low Bearing (X-77), Sunrise Papaya, and Sunset Papaya. They are all non-GMO, if that is a concern for you. The Waimanalo is my favorite and I just sold off my last two or I wouldve been glad to share. They also have a wide variety of vegetable seeds you can add to your order, many of which can do well in our climate. I have not had an issue, pest or disease, with any of the solo papayas to date, though I keep mine potted and low to avoid missing any signs of papaya wasp.

There is no significant difference from the limited information available online, imo.
Basically all these are just different selections with favorable vigor & fruit size, taste, and acidity.

But I think Che is really cool so ive been trying to 'cocktail' graft a few rooted cuttings and osage orange rootstock with all available varities. Long-term plan would be to do some breeding and bring in some wild che genetics too.

I'm still looking for Darrow myself, but would definitely recommend grabbing some Oregon Exotics female and/or male che scions from Martha at if youre looking to spice up the gene pool.

My grafts seem to be taking well.

Fruitwood Nursery currently has the edible landscaping "seedless" variety (which really still needs a pollinator for adequate fruit production) and their own female/male scions. 

I didn't think it was spider mites from that one picture, the webbing doesn't appear all wispy. They're definitely distinguishable from harmless garden spiders and can be recognized easily, so do some picture comparison before you start spraying.

I dont deal with mites often, but I use an insecticidal soap (works better than oils for mites imo) and defoliate a majority of the affected/sick foliage. Ladybugs won't eat them. If the plant isn't too shocked, which it normally isn't, I add some light fertilizer to promote quick, new foliage growth.

If it doesn't end up being spider mites, I would definitely consider applying some general fungicides. A lot of varieties are prone to fungal infections like anthracnose and can be susceptible when blooming if conditions are poor. At least in our area, this 'dry season' for south FL has been super rainy and humid.

My garden is not dealing with many pests at the moment, but I still have plenty of small spiders, even in my small apartment yard. You probably have an abundance of gnats, small flies, and/or mosquitos. The spiders that small generally won't affect any larger insects or pollinators, I've seen houseflies rip right through them. I think you may be overfocused on the spiders, they probably just found the best set-up to catch prey.

Aside from that, browning on mangos as pictured can be indicative of nutrient deficiency, salt burn, too much sun exposure, pests, etc. The leaves look healthy but the blooms are dying, which can indicate nutrient deficiency or fungal/bacterial infection, unless Boca has just been experiencing crazy weather recently.

You can consider treating with fungicide and maybe amending soil if browning persists. You can also check the quality of your water source, as salt build-up can certainly take its toll after a few years if not addressed. If you inspect leaves and see a ton of pests, especially scale or aphids, my suggestion would be to get like 3k ladybugs and let them loose at night. I always have better results than with sprays.

Im sure people will have more to add, but thats where I would start. Good luck

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Sold
« on: March 13, 2024, 03:37:36 PM »

Kiwano 'Rund' Jelly Melon (Cucumis metuliferus) - Total of 10 individual seedlings. This variety is the "Round" version of the kiwano melon/jelly melon.
My grapes are coming back, so I no longer have room on my trellis, and these love to climb! Refreshing fruit for a hot summer day. Total cost for all plants + priority shipping is $25. Note that the vines and fruits will be spikey.

Sweet Maprang [aka Marian Plum or mango plum] (Bouea macrophylla)

PM sent, have Kari that im about to chop.

I think it may be one (of many) Philodendron species, my best guess is Philodendron jacquinii based on the leaf.

Images of the fruit look similar as well, though I cant find much consistent documentation or pictures on immature and ripe fruits.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Fresh INGA pods DELICIOUS!!
« on: February 14, 2024, 10:16:19 PM »
Man, these inga pods were delicious!! Very sweet with a nice pleasant flavor, good flesh-to-seed ratio. Thank you for the opportunity to try this variety.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Help! Giant granadilla disease!
« on: February 12, 2024, 08:21:51 PM »
Did you recently re-pot the plants? Are they fully rooted cuttings? Whats the ambient temperature and whats your light source?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Zone 9b/10a Driveway Hedge
« on: February 07, 2024, 06:49:42 PM »
My Jabo's are fine in full sun, maybe pick up a couple larger plants at a nursery?
Garcinia humilis could work too.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is sweet granadilla self fertile?
« on: February 06, 2024, 11:42:21 AM »
The general consensus I've read for the Granadilla's (passiflora ligularis and passiflora quadrangularis) is that they are not self-fertile, though it can vary down to the specimen depending on genetics/hybridization. I would recommend a pollinator companion.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Shine grapes - Sale
« on: February 06, 2024, 11:37:33 AM »
I ordered around 11:30 last night after seeing this post and got it for $11, no additional codes. Got a couple purple caimito as well.
I assume the site registered an uptick in interest on the grapes and took away the sale.

@Jabo im excited to see how these taste but my vine is looking rough :'( :'( Hoping its just the colder weather but it may have picked up PD at some point. Pests this winter are as relentless as the sun in summer.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafting citrus to sapote
« on: February 03, 2024, 11:52:04 PM »
Generally speaking, species under the same genus may be genetically similar enough for graft compatibility. White sapote (genus Casimiroa) and Citrus are too distant, whereas peaches, plums and cherries all fall under the genus Prunus and can be grafted as a cocktail tree.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Fresh INGA pods DELICIOUS!!
« on: February 02, 2024, 07:33:14 PM »
Delicious is right, PMd!

Spent like half an hour searching my photos... found everything but the fruit lol.

I found this picture online; to my recollection, the last two fruits I ate looked almost identical to the one pictured, maybe slightly larger. One ripened in two weeks, the other ripened after a month and a half. I was surprised how evenly ripe they were considering their size.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: ISO Black Sapote Scions
« on: February 02, 2024, 12:06:30 AM »
I love Matt's Giant sapote, probably the best variety in the states (though not much to compare to). Superb size and flavor and the OG tree is gorgeous. I wish my grafts had been successful; im too embarrassed to ask Matt for more scionwood lol.

But I was fortunate to get in touch with him and view his enormous farm in Homestead; he's put a lot of effort into Jacks and mangos. He expressed dissatisfaction with nurseries selling Matts Giant/Matt Snow since he had no quality control with that and someone supposedly shared that budwood against his directly expressed wishes. Anything on eBay is definitely not it.

If you have the opportunity to get in contact with him and/or travel down to Homestead, I would recommend it. Super nice guy and more than willing to share if you're kind and respectful.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Papaya air layering
« on: February 01, 2024, 01:36:24 PM »
If you are running out of space and think an airlayer may take too much time, I recommend trying to just root cuttings. I have done this with my standard papaya's and Mountain papaya (pictured below) and always find it relatively easy.

I can't find a good picture of the fully developed roots, but here is my method (started April '23) and one of the spare plants that I sold (November '23). I kept another one of these plants for myself that was ~2x the size as the one pictured, but I recently gave it to a friend and never took a photo.


I used a seed starting potting mix with a touch of perlite. I've used this method on more plants with some success, though I would recommend a much thinner layer of perlite at the bottom. The one pictured was my first attempt with this method.
I cut drainage holes in the bottom and along the side of the bottom of the cup. Nowadays I will also wrap longer cuttings with grafting tape or put another cup on top of small cuttings (with ventilation) to create a humidity dome.

With this, you can focus on shaping your remaining potted papaya plants and not have to worry about the impact of a developing airlayer.

Potential 'hardier' roostock for mangosteen?

Appreciate the info. I assumed it was too tropical, but people have been trying to establish breadfruit with some success (further south than me); I guess my question was more geared toward South FL growers.
I would imagine a 'wetland' with some tree cover/brush could create a suitable microclimate.

My understanding is that jacks/chemps can tolerate some flooding, but don't like wet feet or saturated conditions. Hopefully more info develops on A. kemando in the coming years cause I doubt anyone's attempting this experiment here right now lol.

Curious if anyone has experience with A. kemando in the U.S.

Was browsing Anderson Tropicals and saw seeds for sale; a little more reading and I found that they thrive in tropical lowland swamps. In the same sense that people suggest pond apple for wetlands/saturated soils for grafting Annonas, I wonder if this could be a good rootstock for similar soil conditions for grafting jackfruit or other artocarpus species.
Such little information online, interested in peoples thoughts and experiences.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: FORUM MEMBER TFL77 PLEASE CONTACT ME
« on: January 24, 2024, 06:24:38 PM »

If you have not already received a response from TFL77, know that he has had issues with USPS delivery due to zoning issues with Miami-Dade County, further details of which I am not aware.

A couple months ago I sent him a large package of plants and had to mail it in person at the post office; they said they will attempt delivery even if the address isn't registered in their system. My package was delivered within a couple days with no issue, though TFL77 mentioned that sometimes it doesn't always arrive. The address exists on the Miami-Dade County assessor site and Google Maps, as well as his farm on Google, so delivery should be fine.

If you don't hear back for a bit, message me and I can confirm the shipping address.

In my experience, RevivalR00ts has always been an absolute pleasure to work with and buy from. I can't imagine that a well-renowned seller with a massive collection is going to be hoarding scions from a giveaway to sell, especially... mulberries. The only issues I've ever experienced is accidentally killing the wonderful things I have purchased  ;)

With that, Nate, you also have a great reputation on the forum, though I don't think I have purchased from you personally. Its pretty obvious that your initial comment was retaliatory from the burkartiana post, and I think that the issue you described here could likely be addressed privately before stirring up the pot on forum posts, regardless of prior disagreements and/or differences of opinions.

This is a forum to share a wealth of knowledge and material to expand fruit growing, not a place for drama. I think all parties should treat each other with kindness and respect, whether its a species correction, disagreement, or sales post, as that will only improve the efficacy of the TFF  ;D

Onward from that, anyone interested in these mulberry varieties should definitely contact RevivalR00ts while available! Looks like some interesting Persian varieties that I'm not really familiar with.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best neglected fruit trees in south FL
« on: January 21, 2024, 10:08:27 AM »
Bananas dont seem to get too upset about things once well-established. Any pioneer species will do good on poor soils, like Ice Cream Bean's, Strawberry tree/Jamaican cherry, mulberries. Establishing a nitrogen-fixer will go a long way.
Can also consider dragonfruit, pineapples, papayas. Ive seen loquats and longans neglected by growers in S FL and they seem to do fine, though fruit quality is likely poor.

Once you establish some shade or if you already have, you could probably start some passionvines and granadilla. Any wet or overly saturated areas can probably start some pond apple to use as future rootstock.

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