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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Too late to plant a mango tree?
« on: September 23, 2022, 07:56:47 AM »
Of more current concern than a freeze is the potential landing of a hurricane in Florida. So prepare today early for both at the same time.

Any young green mango branch growing upward is especially likely to be broken in high winds if not staked. So, consider staking metal poles around small trees and tying the branches to the poles. If the branches go far above the poles, consider cutting off the top section before the wind comes at high speeds (do not cut off the grafted area).

At the same time consider freeze protection and think of what could I place over or around these poles to cover the small tree in 3 to 4 more months (Dec. January) when freezes might occur without putting too much weight on the plant but instead on the poles/platform/etc.

Plan for both at the same time as to how high or wide to make the poles around the small tree for support.

Many other mango trees might need to be trimmed back over the next week, especially if given nitrogen fertilizer recently with a lot of green vegetative  heavy growth hanging on the limbs and if high winds come soon.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Too late to plant a mango tree?
« on: September 22, 2022, 02:03:26 PM »
Last weekend, I bought a 3-gallon Orange Sherbet tree. I was wondering if it is too late in the year to plant it, as I lost 4 3-gallon mango trees from the freeze earlier this year; they were planted around September/October last year.
I am in zone 10a, and last year we had a couple of days where temperature dropped to 29F. Only my 25-gallon mango tree survived but suffered quite a bit.
I felt compelled to post as zone 10a average minimal temperature is 30 to 35F.
I know average gets an average from points above and below the listed average number range.
Life is a risk.... So yes, you might suffer defeat to a freeze.... I was told not to plant mango trees on my property 25 yrs ago by a nursery as they said it's too cold in Palm City. I planted 3  (3 gallon size trees) and all survived & many others since then.

Postives to planting in Sept... 1. Cooler and easier to work than summer months 2. Highest rainfall is in the month of Sept. so little watering is needed. 3. Less sun exposure on young plants leads to less sun burnt leaves.

In conclusion, Sept. is one of my favorite months to plant mangos trees in my area of zone 10a.

Larger diameter trunk, limbs, etc. will decrease odds of freeze damage as previously mentioned. There are many other additional ways to help decrease your odds of freeze damage on many other threads.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Different New Mango Leaves
« on: September 11, 2022, 11:01:27 AM »
What's really pretty is when you see a row of 10 trees that are not of the same variety but different types of mango trees lining the row that are putting out new growth. Then you have the opportunity to see, reds, yellow, light green, etc. and the look can be very similar to fall in places like North Carolina with the changing of the leaves color in the fall. But the good thing is we can occasionally get it 2 to 3 times a year with growth flushes...

So, if you are just starting your tree planting you might want to disperse the varieties in varying locations if you enjoy the beauty of colors through out the year.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: It's September 1st, where are your Mangos?
« on: September 10, 2022, 03:53:18 PM »
While watching football, one of the boys came inside after finding another hidden ripe Sweet Tart. This time it was on a different tree in a heavily leafed spot where the birds had not pecked it luckily....

So if you want to be lucky Sweet Tart is a nice late season variety since multiple blooms can occur.

Sort of dark while watching the game but here is the picture next to an empty coke bottle for size comparison...   

I told him he found it, he can eat it as I had just finished eating another small Keitt...  ;)

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Anyone willing to send one seed to me
« on: September 05, 2022, 11:14:19 AM »
I think you all scared him/her off. 
I chuckle every time I read this post.  The request reminds me of that scene from “I’m gonna git you sucka” with Chris Rock asking to buy one rib. “I sure am hungry”

Hilarious.... lol.... youtube has it and many others ....   lol...
But.... When the hammer hits the nail..... Have you got change for $100 Benjamin... lol

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best Mangos from India Grown in Florida?
« on: September 03, 2022, 09:24:52 PM »
Must have Tropical Acres list to go down to find Indian/....   I was surprised as I counted 59 varieties.... I have not even tried 1/3 of that list but what I've tried I've been mostly pleased with the Indian taste in Mangos.

It would help others if we list from your favorite Indian variety to your least favorite as many would like more of these tastes in their yard but few would have room or desire to plant all 59 (I may have counted wrong & no big deal).

1. Carrie
1. Super Julie (tied)
3. 0-15
4. Kesar
5. Malikka
6. Iman Passand
Unfortunately all I have in my yard with Indian tastes producing this year.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: It's September 1st, where are your Mangos?
« on: September 01, 2022, 10:35:08 PM »
I went back out and found what is probably the last Himsager (usda etc. whatever)...
Himsager is a late variety. Most years the last dropping the beginning of Sept. for me.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: It's September 1st, where are your Mangos?
« on: September 01, 2022, 04:57:04 PM »
This Sept. I have only fought with the animals for Keitt and a few Sweet Tart to be hanging on the trees today. Sweet Tart requires more of a fight as the yellow color really draws the birds to peck them till they fall off the tree. Green mangos are much easier to keep on the trees.

I saw someone that still has Neelam mangos hanging on their tree in Sept.

I believe I could have had some orange essence in Sept. but I did not want to protect them from the animals as too far away from the house.

Last year I had some Carrie that were hanging with a late bloom and since I have many Carrie trees on Sept. 1. So, many mangos might be hanging till Sept. if you want to fight with the animals and get lucky on a late bloom.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pakistan mulberry help
« on: August 24, 2022, 08:56:39 PM »
So I purched a few rooted cuttings of Pakistan mulberry about a year ago. They haven't done any growing yet. Some of them have dropped about half their leaves.

I thought these trees would grow like weeds at my house. Are the Pakistan mulberries prone to nematodes or something?
Are they in pots or the ground?
I have a Tice mulberry I planted out and it seems to be on pause as well?
It was in a three gallon and the tap root grew through the bottom of the pot and
snapped when I lifted it up. I have another Tice that is 6' now that I planted out
after the first one? I don't water my mulberry trees and they do fine but both of my
neighbors water theirs allot and they are exploding with growth

I have had mulberries about 25 years, labeled as East Coast but they look like TICE also same as achet.....

Little trees need to be watered the first year. If you fertilize them, they will grow faster and probably be able to withstand dry periods within 2 yrs. just depends on water & fertilizer application.... After they are large and about inch and 1/2 in diameter limbs is probably a good size to leave them alone if wanted.

Also little 1st and 2nd year trees can die in a flood... I have had none die in a flood once large 2+ yr old.

If you water and fertilize your tree as you should be doing, it will have less yellow leaves during August & Sept. & Oct.

I would stop fertilizing in Oct. and stop watering Jan. 1st. and maybe you will have a 2 month dormant leafless period so that big buds will form on the sticks and spring out at the end of March for berries.

Once the trees are really large, do nothing and let the leaves get yellow and ugly in Aug. Sep. Oct. Nov. Dec. and sticks in Jan. Feb. till end of March. and then burst out in growth and berries March, april, may with big beautiful green leaves..... Then let the cycle repeat.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Forcing dragon fruit to bloom ?
« on: August 14, 2022, 10:45:31 AM »
Hi, What are the ways, ive read before u can prune the older hanging branches/ tip them, and this forces the same branch to flower, true?
Ive read about drought stress resulting in blooming?

I have about a 5 ft. dead oak of over 5 years with many dragon fruit growing up it. This has been the least rain in the summer that I remember at this location. The dragon fruit have responded with the most flowers and fruit of any year in the past.... Interesting that you brought drought up. Also I have not thrown any fertilizer on mine since at least last December. Could be by chance or could be what you mentioned drought as a possibility... I'm sure the big growers would have a much better idea than I and would like to hear from someone growing 12 or more pole plantings etc. to chime in with what do they do to increase blooming odds and fruit production

Woodpeckers and bluejays primarily:::

Carrie fruit: the sour seed is one of my favorite bones to chew.

Super Julie: Also a deliciously sour seed to gnaw on.

Some Keitts: They have to be correctly inoculated by the bugs through the cracks in the fruit to get that perfectly balanced sour/vinegar seed taste.

Who else likes to gnaw on seeds and which varieties and what tastes keep you gnawing on that seed?   :P :P :P

I have problems with a woodpecker.
He pecks a whole in a mango and then he knocks it on the ground
and he eats the whole thing before he goes to the next one.
It takes 3-4 days for him to eat one mango
Last year I had 50 pickerings no problem this year I had 15
He ended up getting 3. I had to pick them green and they were not
as good. I left the last big one that was under the canopy and put an
apple under the tree. It didn't work and he got the last one.
He also loves sapodillas, mulberries and jabos. He likes to peck on the gutter at
daybreak also.
Well, someone (not I) must have trained these birds in my yard table etiquette....
There is no way mine would fly down to the grown to eat dropped fruit.... Why no way, that's just dirty.... It immediately goes for the next hanging sweet tart till it too falls off the tree.

I have heard them pecking fiercely on the neighbors gutter... lol... I'm hoping they will knock themselves out...

Luckily no sapodilla damage .... yet....

The mulberries I never watch and as W. mentioned, too many mulberries to notice any significant loss.

The birds are pretty smart here... As soon as they see me coming outside with my air powered lead shooter.... They take off and fly down 3 to 4 trees till I walk down and of course then they fly farther down from me.

Small common woodpecker - most damage here flying/pecking sweettart to sweettart.
(Large endangered species woodpeckers do not harm mangos IMO)

Common bluejay - 2nd most damage here and is not endangered (aka open season).
(Not endangered scrubjays)

It's far-fetched that a species evolves into another over a million years, yet some all-powerful deity zapping everything into existence and everything staying the same isn't.

What is farther fetched than a Deity???
Why,  Someone believing that a "primordial soup" somehow "sparked" into life.... lol
The only thing that could and can today turn sterile molecules into living, changing organisms is a Deity.
Show me where I'm wrong or make something alive from a "primordial soup"...

Should I Stay or Should I Go (Remastered)

Fine looking tree. As mentioned in 1 year that's a lot of growth.

If you don't have high winds above 40mph, my guess is the trunk will get thick with time as it has plenty of leaves looking good sending sugars down.

Thus if no high winds you could do nothing...

If a hurricane is coming before the trunk naturally thickens in a year or more, trim a lot or remove a lot of the leaves.

If you kept cutting only the top shoots over the next 5 years the tree will grow outward and will also send limbs down closer to the ground.

It really doesn't matter a lot with a Glen as they tend to bear pretty good even without good air flow by cutting out some of the center limbs; but you could if desired. Almost any option is available to you with a Glen.

Glad you (Bovine) enjoyed the pics, thus here is a little more experimenting....

I have another smaller green seedling near a ditch that I just tasted and it was also one dimensional sweet only but once again a nice sweetness. This mango has a very small seed (the fruit was also a little smaller than other fruit) which is smaller and thinner than Phillipine or Okrung seeds.

I'm really not sure which seedling tree at a ditch it was so I guess I will save them all till next year. The seed has an unusual growth coming off it into the fruit brown to blackish. I have only had years ago the white calcium internal deposits in varieties like Venus but this looks really different but then again probably just due to such a young tree. I'm pretty sure the skin was not punctured by a boring insect making the black growth on the seed.

I previously tasted 2 other seedling trees bearing but have no pics of them. 1 was good tasting & 1 was bad tasting IMO... So 3 out of 4 is pretty good odds for me for this year fruit from seedling bearing trees...

Last year I think I tasted 2 seedlings and I was 1 for 2  (50%) thus grafted the bad tasting seedling.

The year before that I was 1 for 2 also on good tasting seedlings. Unfortunately my favorite seedling with a little pumpkin taste rotted due to being loved to death by a family member throwing mango cuttings too close to the tree trunk (probably) and thus forming an anerobic area/bacteria/fungus/etc. & unfortunately death to it. Since then, I have carefully explained no plant waste thrown at the base of the trees; only at the drip line.

I decided to let a few seedling bear rather than grafting and this one put out a fruit that looks like sweet tart but no sharp tart or sharp sweet tastes. At the total green stage and still firm, it tastes only sweet but a good sweetness to me something between glen & ripe keitt taste but probably more like some of my smaller seedling Keitt than either.

It's sort of fun seeing what your seedling will bear and I plan to keep this one as I get burnt out with tasting too many sharp tastes of sweet tart etc. and I crave the milder tastes during those periods.

When starting with seeds from good mango trees it seems to be a lot easier to get new seedling trees producing a fruit with a good taste vs bad tastes than I previously thought years ago.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best mangos of this season
« on: July 23, 2022, 06:15:59 PM »


The most interesting mango experience though was a tasting with nick “urbanmangos” on instagram where I brought a lemon zest from my mothers tree which is 30 ft tall, unmanaged with pruning and no fertilization or care and we ate it side by side with one that he grew. It was night and day difference, he takes great care of his trees. My mothers was less sweet and flesh more juicy where his was larger, sweeter and flesh was more creamy/firmer texture and absolutely delicious the real potential of lemon zest. I really should be helping out with my moms tree and that’s on me but you know schedules and kids ects… My take home from that experience was you can eat the same cultivar grown by two different people and one can be bland just based off how it was grown, seems obvious, but the impact was so noticeable it was like two different mangos, totally wild.
Good to point out exceptions to most common thinking on growing mangos... Interesting as we are all use to hearing not to fertilize near as much when trees are larger...
Interesting watching Hidden acres video where he says his watering system is on a regular basis  with no decreased impact of taste noted with watering...
A lot of variables. A lot of guessing on best practices, perhaps always changing with each individual location.

I shared a few Carrie today with someone requesting mangos that taste sour & sweet. This first time carrie fan loved them saying that was exactly the taste I wanted.

Another guy the other day ate a Carrie and immediately said they reminded him of Cuban mangos and I believe he also said they are called blackies in Cuba...

All the mangos IMO have been good tasting this year, perhaps my trees are just larger and better providers of essential nutrients/sugars than when younger. (If I had put this element nutrient fertilizer etc on it last year, It would have been easy to draw a false conclusion that that was why my mangos tasted better this year than last... lol... Good thing I did not add anything new to my practices to avoid false assumptions and conclusions lol.._)

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Heaviest Mango 2022
« on: July 20, 2022, 10:56:49 PM »
In my opinion (IMO), for best taste with Valencia Pride... Let it go overripe with the brown dots all over it and you will usually have a much sweeter pineapple taste.... When it looks like it's starting to rot... This old vulture jumps right on that mango....   :P


I know when I Hurt my back , and could not move off my stomach for 2 months

Oil is heavier then water good for keeping pee jug from not smelling

(I thought of it myself, but  they have eco  urinals that use no water like that)

(Also people used to preserve wine  like that with Olive oil to prevent Oxidization after opening a bottle
(for more then 3 days wine can be ruined -- or unless you use inert gas or wine saver to suck air out )
 I learned Old Italians would then drip the bread in the oil floating on the wine...

Wait a second Don't you guys have GMO Mosquitos
Do not know if those lay eggs in Oil maybe they like GMO canola/soy oil as well.

depending how many barrels you have you could get some oil behind a restaurant that fries food. (or call, and ask)

Don't have much to say about eliminating roaches or mosquitos. Just keep the numbers low with stomping, spraying, and swating...

But concerning the statement:::
"Oil is heavier then water good for keeping pee jug from not smelling " = False

Choosing an oil heaver (more dense) than water or pee means the oil will sink below the water and or pee.

For the sake of anyone trying to pass a basic science test and the question states Does oil float on water? Answer Yes or true (some exceptions exist like when combined with silicon it sinks below water etc. etc.)

If this oil is floating on water it will be less dense per volume (space) occupied.
For the question of: Is it heavier than water? No .... It's lighter if floating... (Lead is denser (heavier per volume) and will sink to be bottom of pee or water)

I hope that most assume the oil used  to cover the pee is actually less dense and lighter than pee and thus it floated above the pee thus lowering the vaporization and smell of the 2 month old pee jug...

If you really used oil that was heavier (denser) than pee.... It would have sunk below the pee and after 2 months that would be a foul smelling pee jug...  :)

I read an article once about how bud wood can revert to the juvenile phase, if a tree is grafted and bud wood is taken from the vigorous growth and grafted again before it can bloom. The more generations that occur without blooming, the more likely it is for the reversion to happen. I think that may be one of the issues people are dealing with if they have a tree that does not bloom for several years and then fruits normally. I suspect this may be the case with some of the newer Zill mangoes that had shortages of bud wood and high levels of demand. Some of the other trees sound like they have disease issues or another problem.

Interesting possibility......

I actually think a decrease of sunlight due to tree competition shading as the most likely reason for the delaying of bloom on my 2 of 15 sweet tart trees. But it is definitely not the problem with my phoenix tree as about 13 ft tall and about 12 ft broad planted in full sun exposure.

I am very happy that one of my favorite tasting mangos (Sweet Tart) is Also probably my most dependable producer in my yard. Nice having many delicious mangos being so easy to grow......

Updated::: Nope,,, Glen is more dependable in my yard...

IMO someone with 3 or less trees only in their yard needs to be informed of the odds of zero production for many years with some varieties. (The other answer is of course plant more trees as I have thus no problem with a year of a variety not producing)

Another tree that Alex does well with production in prior years posts is Iman Pasand....
In my yard, it flowers and sets small fruit every year. Recently I have gotten some to maturity. However all of my mature fruit are cracked.... Thus a caveat to Iman Pasand at least in my more fungus prone area.

P.S... lol.. Back to Topic::: Please post any of your consistent fruiting Failures.....

Iman Passand does that in West Palm Beach too. But we’re still able to get plenty of edible ones. People who love Iman Passand will even buy the cracked ones actually.

Update::: Iman Passand bush/tree produced 2 MANGO without Splitting in my fungus area (fungus on them). Perhaps the 40 - 60 mph winds took off the excess to increase the odds or these 2 larger than previous years split small fruits reaching maturity.

Tastes: Mix of flower/coconut/tropical. Sweet. I wanted it to go overripe to make sure not better that way but I actually preferred the area not overripe vs. overripe areas. More flower tastes appeared near the seed. I enjoyed it for a Variety of Taste addition as no other mango with these tastes mixed in my collection; and it was/is a good tasting mango.

Over all the years, not a good producer for me and NOT recommended for a single homeowner with only 5 trees in the yard.

Had to update and give the mango it's due, as it did finally produce for me.

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