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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2023 Mango Season
« on: July 15, 2023, 09:36:43 PM »
First of all, OS is certainly a dulled -down citrus mango compared to PPK and LZ but still an elite mango IMO. I even Would go as far as saying PPK Can hold it’s own in comparison to LZ, IF LZ isn’t at its best. They are all different flavor  profiles but in a battle of citrus mangos, I take PPK, LZ, OS, Okrung, in that order based on consistent eating quality alone. I know peeps might hate on me for calling okrung in the citrus category but I think it to be true I’d call it “key lime pie” or “honey-lime” if I could. I might even throw “Philippine” in the citrus category and probably Mallika too with its tangerine/orange flavors.


Secondly, ZHHP definitely picks too early, year after year. Usually Everything is chalky but still get an idea of what flavors the mangos are capable of, However IN MY OPINION mangos like  Sugarloaf  actually benefit from being picked early and ripening more evenly.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2023 Mango Season
« on: July 09, 2023, 10:05:01 PM »
John
Actually Had 2 amazing peach cobblers today. Had a Fruit punch today also, was good but really always seems like an over-rated mango to me. Had a decent sweet tart too. Just planted an m-4 tree . hope all is well,
-Abe

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2023 Mango Season
« on: July 08, 2023, 10:04:55 PM »
Absolutely. I’m paying 5.50 a lb most places man. That’s just the price of top tier mangos nowadays.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2023 Mango Season
« on: July 07, 2023, 01:11:59 PM »
John let us know how those peach cobblers were please. The ones I’ve had this year are mediocre last year we’re amazing…

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2023 Mango Season
« on: July 06, 2023, 09:20:56 PM »
Fertilized my neighbors OS with wood ash when blooming…picking them bow and so far no jelly seed but I pick when still rock-solid but hollow brown stems and then let sit for 7 days or so in garage. Nice even ripe yummy Ones. Also very sandy soul with just enough organic matter here it seems.

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Thanks for justification Zands…just planted a nice 15 gallon M-4 and a cecilove plus a seedling of sugarloaf…

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I have heard from Alex Salazar that if you prune a vigorous variety aggressively for a number of years, the tree will produce only vegetative/foliar growth and completely stop fruit production….The tree will be under too much stress to produce leaves and forget about fruit.

Learned this when I had a dream to keep my very vigorous baileys marvel small, he said I better top work it to something less vigorous. if I really want it 12x12 forever, i will have to settle for baileys marvel LEAVES instead of fruits. 

We love our BM mangos though so for now, we will have one large mango tree in the collection.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Underrated Mangos
« on: June 30, 2023, 11:31:50 PM »
Dot!!!!

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Mine is alone on my block but there is one on block over so hard to say. Set fruit already after a year. Very dwarf growth habit.

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Sweet tart gets massive.

Pickering, cecilove, and Beverly all stay very small for a very long time, but they all have potential to get big after many years just not massive or atleast not in a grower’s lifespan.  there are others for sure.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best Mango/s 2023
« on: June 29, 2023, 12:08:49 AM »
Best I’ve had this season,

In order:

-My homegrown sugarloaf (totally biased)

-Dot

-Gary

-Mallika

-ST Maui

-Zill 40-17

-sunrise

-my homegrown baileys Marvel

-okrung


Edwards, Carrie and Duncans were all great too this season.

Most of these from Tropical acres farms in Palm Beach, Fl. Thank you Alex Salazar for your hard earned labor of love mango farm that gives us access to these amazing mangos.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2023 Mango Season
« on: June 26, 2023, 09:12:44 PM »
Can’t say for sure but Yea In my limited experience I second that about calcium for sure. I sprinkled oak wood ash a couple times last year and my mangoes tasted way better and seemed like thicker fleshed fruits. We had a heck of a drought prior to June too and that helps flavor A lot for sure/

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2023 Mango Season
« on: June 25, 2023, 05:01:01 PM »
Left to right, Okrung, Carrie and Baileys Marvel.

The baileys from my yard.

All three are excellent this year.




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Well you asked my favorite and that means my favorite mango to eat…? If I could only have one, sugarloaf. Order one online from Alex at tropicalacresfarms.com. It’s a pina colada mix in a mango. Supposedly produces great in your neck of the woods…produces light crops for me so far but it was TOTALLY WORTH IT so far for me. Tree is fairly nice looking, medium vigor / light green leaves, medium density on canopy. Blooms really easy. Doesn’t set a lot of fruit as they have too many male flowers when young but they are supposed to grow out of that. I just planted another one.

I won’t even bother mentioning all the popular ones people love and hype because this was a question of my favorite.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2023 Mango Season
« on: June 22, 2023, 11:35:04 PM »
I picked some sugarloafs when stems were brown and hollow and fruit had sap drips and seemed full sized…let ripen in garage for 7 days or so. OUTSTANDING even ripening and full flavor bomb potential was unleashed. I think is best for me when I see first one get yellow and soft on tree to pick all others from that crop and leave 7-10 days in garage.

My baileys marvels are excellent this year as well. Very short shelf life on those. Pick em when they turn yellow (seems to happen overnight with BM) and then eat within 2-3 days MAX.

As far as my neighborhood here:

DOT is second best so far behind my sugarloaf.

Duncan’s have been really sweet.

edwards have been awesome.

Carrie crop is slim on my dads tree lot of drops from summer storms but the few left on tree are great.


Happy hunting y’all.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2023 Mango Season
« on: June 11, 2023, 12:15:15 AM »
SUGARLOAF MEMO:

DONT WAIT UNTIL THEY GET BRIGHT YELLOW SPOT. If you do, that Bright yellow spot will be almost spoiled and already way over ripe. Instead, pick them when they have high shoulder, brown stem,  black sap lines running down fruit and/or look full size and lots of “freckles” and very slight yellow tint near stem. They ripen far better when picked at that stage so far in my opinion. Takes 7-10 days in garage but solid quality as opposed to over ripening on tree.

I picked three more today that had dried up stems. Will update after tasting. Happy eating y’all.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2023 Mango Season
« on: June 09, 2023, 10:48:04 AM »
Cutting and eating my first home-grown Sugarloaf now!

Consensus from me and the wife : excellent, but overripe. Picked when was yellow in one spot. Uneven ripening as always but really good and coconutty. The over-ripe by a day thing shorted us on the pineapple flavor and I missed alexs instructions on when to cut it. Great mango I’ll let y’all know how the rest of them are.












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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2023 Mango Season
« on: May 21, 2023, 07:02:26 PM »
Look like could be an “Irwin “ just my guess

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Butterscotch sapodilla questions
« on: May 13, 2023, 08:59:40 PM »
I have a 5 foot butterscotch sap in ground for bout a year and a half plus now. I don’t have a bother sap and it’s been holding a fruit and flowering non stop for a month or two now it’s not ready to pick and the other flowers a havnt set fruit. My buddy has one and it has already fruited at same size. He has had better fruit-set and he attributes it t directly to having another sap close by in his yard.


Good luck, he says it tasted great by the way and totally different.

Off topic, tasted one from Alex today called “gigantia” and it was excellent and HUGE.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2023 Mango Season
« on: May 03, 2023, 06:44:00 PM »
Almost sugarloaf time BABYYYY




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Dwarf Hawaiian and fruit punch just so we can have “Hawaiian punch”

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By Taste ONLY:

Pineapple Pleasure*
Sugarloaf*
Fruit Punch
Peach cobbler
CAC
lemon zest
Orange sherbet
Sweet Tart
Cecilove
Baileys marvel*


* I grow these varieties.
If I can add a number 11 it’s “seacrest/triple-Sec”
IN THAT ORDER.

changes after every season but my top two stay the same so far.

If you ask me about a mango trees qualities and not just taste of fruit I have a whole different list.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: M-4 VS Sugarloaf Mango
« on: April 21, 2023, 04:30:06 PM »
Bovine, I won’t Jack the thread but my Pineapple pleasure is growing well, too small to have any opinions on other habits but a couple years from now I hope to be eating em!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: M-4 VS Sugarloaf Mango
« on: April 20, 2023, 02:38:21 PM »
Sugarloaf/Zill E-4 is my favorite mango. Ripens unevenly but that’s great because the riper parts are coconut and the less ripe parts are pineapple. Very juicy no fiber to speak of.
My tree is holding 7 fruits still this year but it blooms fully ever year and doesn’t have a problem blooming even in warm winters it would seem. Doesn’t set many fruit when when young it has way more male flowers than female. Fruits in June/July. Tree is medium vigor, will get big aid imagine from mine, and a bit lengthy and spreading.

M-4 from what I have heard and what I have observed from videos, is a very productive mango and even precocious. Blooms well and sets heavy consistently, apparently to the point where it could maybe be commercially viable.
To me, from the few I’ve tried,  the fruit is a Dulled-down sugarloaf but smaller, with the same flavor profile but just less of a flavor explosion. Still amazing. Fruits July-august and even into September. No fiber and juicy. Tree gets big too I understand.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2023 Mango Season
« on: March 29, 2023, 10:16:27 PM »
MangoMaven888, it was planted as a small 3gal April 7, 2019. It grew rapidly and first fruited in 2021--I removed most of the fruitlets, but missed a couple. My timing on picking them sucked, so I hope to do better this year. Last year the tree bloomed but the freeze ended that and set the tree back quite a bit. It bounced back rapidly and lost a couple limbs in Hurricane Ian, but this is where it is today. I doubt it'll hold on to all, but still hoping for a good amount to make it.



bovine421, how old is that graft? Looking forward to a taste report!

That's awesome!  I know Alex mentioned SL will grow out of the disproportionate male to female flower ratio as the tree ages.  It's sounding like 4 years might be the lucky number to start rounding 3rd base..based off 1 sample size haha! 

I have a 3 gallon, planted in June 2020 and this is the first year it's large enough to hold fruit.  Flowered enthusiastically (but mostly male flowers), and expecting only about 14 mangos on a 7' - 8' tree.  Hoping next year will be loaded like yours..or I may just have to plant more of them haha!

I also planted one 2019 it’s about 8 foot by 6 foot tree now and set about 14 fruit and holding 9 at the moment. I think you’re “plant more of them”
Idea is actually a good one and if you get one that is more productive you can always top work or eliminate the others…thinking about planting another one myself. Maybe a seedling that I sprouted to see if the male flower thing isn’t as much of a problem as it is on my tree (it’s MAJORLY male flowers every year). ButAlex said the trees may grow out of that trait as they get bigger and older…

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