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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Chopping down the losers videos
« on: September 12, 2022, 11:49:44 PM »
Random trees that didnt make the cut.

https://youtu.be/7yUH52oqgw8

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Chopping down the losers videos
« on: September 12, 2022, 11:08:01 PM »
Lamb RIP,  someday you will come back to life as a good avocado.   :'(

https://youtu.be/Xuwd3oCZtF0






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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Chopping down the losers videos
« on: September 12, 2022, 10:49:31 PM »
Sir Prize avocado RIP  :'(
https://youtu.be/QACk3Hb7pMw

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Extending fruit season in lime trees?
« on: September 12, 2022, 12:35:30 AM »
mexican lime produces year round here.  i dont do anything special for it.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Overhyped avocados
« on: September 12, 2022, 12:00:25 AM »
Brad so does that mean the group you got from HI never did that great? nothing ever stood out for you ?

Theres a few decent ones.  A bunch of losers too.  I think its mostly the west indian hybrids just dont grow that well here but who knows.  Yamagata and fujikawa are doing well.   The rest seem pretty worthless. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Overhyped avocados
« on: September 11, 2022, 11:58:16 PM »
Lamb, yeah I think its got to go.  Gwen or GEM are better I think.  Its a nice tree but the fruit is pretty mediocre.  No one in my house will eat them since we have reeds at the same time.  Ive eaten a ton of lambs over the years and just never really thought much of them. 


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Seedless lychee
« on: September 11, 2022, 11:40:10 PM »
What do you feed your trees? Mine are that big but not as bushy. Mine live in 25 gal pots.

I havent given this one much fertilizers, just some citrus/avocado blend stuff once a year.  Ive got some larger trees that seem to not be real picky about fertilizers.  Avocado fertilizer works, or fresh chicken droppings, cotton seed meal, potassium sulfate, chelated iron,...  I have used all of those things on them.  Im pretty much just using uncomposted chicken manure on all fruit trees now and everything seems to take it just fine.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Seedless lychee
« on: September 11, 2022, 12:17:39 PM »
Is it small enough to try using some type of insect barrier netting next year to test for the effect of cross pollination?

Good idea

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Seedless lychee
« on: September 11, 2022, 01:17:37 AM »
Yeah I do have other lychee trees not super far away.  Its possible bees are moving pollen between trees.  This one is kind of off on the end by itself but theres other trees around. 

Now I wish this one was planted way further away.  Maybe someday I can make a copy but this stuff takes forever to grow and make copies of. 

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Atkins has them for sale. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Seedless lychee
« on: September 10, 2022, 11:06:52 PM »
It seems to grow pretty well.  I got the tree just over 2 years ago and it was just a small 3 gallon airlayer.  It grew pretty fast and set a lot of fruit for its size.  Even if the seedless thing is bogus, its a nice tree. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: African Pride ?
« on: September 10, 2022, 10:42:22 PM »
Sayyod your mislabeled fruit does look like Aap but they look small.  Maybe they are not near maturity yet
  Thry get really big and the skin turns slightly yellow and oozes with sugar and feels sticky when its ripe. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Seedless lychee
« on: September 10, 2022, 10:35:07 PM »
heres the pics of the tree and fruit.  i ate a bunch more and more than half had seeds so the "seedless" thing is bogus.  Some fruits have no seed at all but most have a big seed.  They do taste good though and fruit are a nice size.

Does it look like a named variety to anyone?  Maybe its an emporer? 





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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Overhyped avocados
« on: September 10, 2022, 09:22:36 PM »
My green gold is a beast. Got it from epicenter.

My nishikawa was a dud. Grows great but never flowered. I pruned it heavily last September and surprise it flowered and is holding fruit. Not as many as a tree of its size can hold, but it's better than nothing. I'll hard prune again this year and see if I can continue the trend.

Post a pic of the green gold fruits and tree.  It seems like its not the same tree Atkins is selling.

I put a photo of a fruit off my atkins tree back on page 3 or 4 of this thread.  Does it look the same?

The fruit are really high oil and are over ripe here by May.  Tree sags from the fruit load and gets sun burns here.  I like the fruit but the way the tree performs is keeping me from grafting more. 

If yours is something different, I would like to try and grow one.  Still have 50 trees or more that need top working. 

Nishikawa grows OK not great and flowers very little and sets not much fruit here.  Its looking like a waste of time.  The tree is big enough to hold a good load but it only set a couole fruit this year.  Its kind of a lanky grower too.  Not that great of a shape or growth habit.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Overhyped avocados
« on: September 09, 2022, 05:51:38 PM »
Fujika is full guatemalan like nabal.  The tree grows well and sets fruit well and thry are earlier than nabal and reed.  Fruit tastes nice but has a bad spot at the tip of the seed that has to be removed.  Thats the main flaw.  Has a small bad spot in the top of the seed cavity.  Otherwise I think its pretty nice.  The fruit are a bit on the big side.  More than you need for one sitting.  It makes good guacamole.  Its not quite as nice as nabal or reed but close and the tree grows well.  I think its pretty good.  Im not going to plant a bunch of them but Im not chopping the 2 or 3 I have down either.

Yeah I top work the stumps in january with whatever I need more of.  Probably some more gwens and carmens this time. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Overhyped avocados
« on: September 09, 2022, 03:09:57 PM »
By the way, I know people dont like hearing that about GEM they say it tastes very similar to hass.  Ive eaten enough of them and had them early and way late into the season and they just are not as good as hass. They have ripening issues, grit in the skin, off color flesh, and lower oil and less nuttiness than hass or gwen.  Its just not as good.  You really need to wait really late into the season before they even start getting anywhere close to a regular hass.  In May regular hass is prime here.  For GEM, it needs to wait until late June or July to peak.  And at that time, I still rate it lower than a hass or gwen.  In fact I like gwen way better, its strange gwen isn't marketed.  I think if given the choice, consumers would agree. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Overhyped avocados
« on: September 09, 2022, 02:36:51 PM »
I think commercial farmers are planting a lot of gem now for 2 main reasons,first the tree tends to set fruit out of sun inside canopy and 2 with high priced picking cost it save farmers alot of money being a smaller tree, also farmers are planting much closer than hass trees,some will plant as close as 6 to 8 feet apart. Some experts also say gem takes the heat and cold slightly better than Hass but I don't know if they are guessing or if true, almost any kind have good and bad qualities depending alot in what climates they are planting in.Brad has some great insights in what has worked well for him.

Thats exactly why they are growing GEM.  Its a nice compact tree that makes lots of fruit that can be passed off as hass. 

I noticed you didn't mention that it has superior flavor or oil level.  Because it doesnt.  So theres that.  If you are going for quantity over quality, go for it.  Grow some lambs too...  (Thats not directed at you, just a general statement to make the point).  The most rediculous part is that the breeding program used gwen to develop these sub par hass imposters.  Gwen is an excellent fruit, the only problem is they cant pass it off as hass because the skin isnt as black.  So what do they do?  Plant thousands of gwen seeds until an offspring has black skin and high yields and good enough flavor and pawn it off as hass.  Its absurd.  What they should do is stop with their obsession with black avocado skins and sell what actually tastes good(gwen, sharwil, etc).  But no, that would make too much sense.   ::)


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Overhyped avocados
« on: September 09, 2022, 02:26:45 PM »
Ive done side by side taste tests with ardith and reed and lamb several times and it always ends in last place.  The oil level and taste is never as good as reed.  So for me theres really no point to growing it.  I rather eat reeds period.   Ardith takes forever to get the oil level up and then when they are almost good, they fall off the tree.  I chainsawed that tree doen and have 0 regrets. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado Scion Cuttings
« on: September 08, 2022, 01:13:11 PM »
you can wrap the scions in buddy tape and store in the fridge but its best to use it right away.

the best knife setup is what Carlos turned us onto.  Medium (#2) XACTO handle with schick injector blades.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: San Diego quarantine Mex fruit fly
« on: September 08, 2022, 03:23:34 AM »
What agreement did you sign?  Just curious, I would probably be hesitant to sign on with anything with the government.  What do they give you in return for you tossing your harvest, or what are the terms?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Overhyped avocados
« on: September 08, 2022, 12:10:45 AM »
Yeah i went out in the orchard today and the reeds and nabals are looking good.  Jan boyce was trashed.  I need to top work all the jan boyce and sir prize trees.  So many trees to top work...  Total PITA. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado Scion Cuttings
« on: September 08, 2022, 12:09:13 AM »
You can just feel the scion wood and flex it and tell if its the right hardness to use.  It should also have buds forming in the crotch of the leaves.  Im sure Ive posted some pics of good avocado budwood in the for sale section in the past.  You can take cuttings any time of year as long as the hardness (semi hard) and buds are there it will work.  It will work even with no buds but its better if buds are starting.  They may be flower or leaf buds.  Doesnt really matter.  But the best time to take it is in December-March for my area.  I think thats also the time they do it in south florida so should also apply to HI.  But that is just my opinion, I see other people saying other times of year.  But if you go read up on some technical papers by the old school avocado growers they are saying also best time is early in the year.  You can graft later into the year if the weather is conducive.  Its too hot and dry at my location past March to have good success grafting.  Also once the warm weather comes, the trees flush and the new growth is soft and needs to harden off again to be used for scion wood.  Thats one of the reasons to use wood from late winter, its hardened off already and about to pop for spring.  And if you are in a proper avocado growing area with no frost, the grafts can easily handle the cool winter months and have ample time to heal before growing out.

As far as how much you can remove off the tree, thats up to you.  You will figure that out pretty quick that even on a big tree you won't want to take a ton of wood because it sets the tree back and exposes the wood etc.  Some varieties take that kind of pruning better than others.  Nabal for instance always has the best scion wood and can be pruned hard.  Other varieties not so much.  You will figure that out by doing it.  Same goes for getting the timing down and when your trees have the best budwood and when to graft. 

That said, most sellers dont care and are just out to make a buck and will cut it whenever.  Or the buyers dont care its the wrong time of year and want to graft on a whim etc.  People ask me for avocado scions all the time and I usually prefer to just collect it in January or February because I know thats when my trees have the best wood.  And I know they will have best results grafting then.  Of course some people are able to graft in summer if they live in a mild environment or are skilled but generally speaking late winter, early spring is best. 

Good luck with the trees.  Growing avocados living in Kauai sounds pretty great.  Maybe grow some mangos and coffee, get a couple pigs to cook, you be in paradise. :)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Overhyped avocados
« on: September 07, 2022, 03:20:41 PM »
Some types are more heat intolerant than others.  Sir prize mostly gets burnt wood from drooping under the weight of the fruit is what I have seen.  But yeah that one always looks like crap. 

Jan boyce also gets nailed by heat.

Water water water....   My stuff seems like its doing ok.  I am watering everyday or every other day now and its over 100 everyday.  This heat sucks. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Overhyped avocados
« on: September 06, 2022, 07:32:57 PM »
Green gold is fantastic.

It's like Hass but better for me and later season. This is the first year I leave them on so long and they are still good through end of August.

The fruit are larger than Hass,  the seed is bigger too but the seed:flesh ratio is favorable. It has a heavy fruit set every year. My Hass will alternate bear if it sets too heavily one year while the green gold is reliably a heavy producer.

Post some pics of that tree and fruit.  I swear it doesnt sound like the same strain I got.  Is yours from Atkins?  My tree gets droopy from the fruit and then gets sunburn.  The fruit are also so high in Oil by May that thry start to get dry and cheesy almost.  It is really good but I dont think they will hang into August here.  The fruit on mine have a unique look and leave a little bit of fuzzy layer on the seed. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Overhyped avocados
« on: September 06, 2022, 07:29:42 PM »
Reed on the other hand still looking pristine and can sit on the counter forever, ha g on the tree forever...  no black mess inside. 



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