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Hello, I am going to suggest you plant that tree in the ground in the hottest most sunny spot you have now so that it can grow as much as possible over summer.  You don't want to plant the tree in the ground after summer.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Overhyped avocados
« on: May 23, 2024, 05:56:49 PM »
I don't have that one but I got the pura vida tree that supposed to make similar extra long fruit.  But it does not seem tomgrow well here.  The tree doesnt look happy compared to CA culivars. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Overhyped avocados
« on: May 23, 2024, 03:43:54 PM »
There were some lists on this page.  They are not totally complete but it is most of them.  I have 6 or 8 more that are not on those lists. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Overhyped avocados
« on: May 23, 2024, 12:54:39 PM »
Carmen does set a lot of fruit but it also has weaker growth than hass.  I do not think it is a hass sport.  I am just guessing that carmen is a hass seedling.  Carmen does not perform as well as hass and I don't really recommend it over hass.  Maybe it is ok for a cooler climate.  It has that weaker growth and gets stunted easier than hass.  It also sets fruit more than once and the fruit get stunted because of the multiple crops.

Gwen by the way is not bad.  I have not had fruit drops with gwen.  They seem to hang well.  The trees really want to fruit hard though and have that weak growth and weaker branch structure than hass.  I like Gwen over carmen and gem and lamb etc. 

There is a reason Hass is the most grown tree. 

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https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/05/19/business/pineapple-rubyglow-price

Interesting article. Apparently an all-star chef/foodie said its to not worth $400. Not the best influencer review for Del Monte, but Melissa’s was wise to not put it on the website, but initially just offer it to high end restaurants that have a strong social media presence. Then they could honestly say ‘sold out in 24 hours.’

Better than pink glow - but a very narrow market segment is my take-away.

In any case, thinking it’s over this guy’s budget by about $375. Lol. Someone buy one and let us know how it ranks.  ;)


they will be selling for 6$ next year.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Overhyped avocados
« on: May 22, 2024, 11:28:32 PM »
Jan boyce does taste good.  But it does not set fruit well for me.  Like really bad fruit set.  Lucky to get any.  And when it does set them, they start dropping off the tree by late spring and also get easily eaten by rodents because of the thin skin.  Also the jan boyce seed sometimes is mal formed and can stick in the fruit.  And also the growth habit is weak and the tree can not tolerate heat well.  It has the thin and weak branch syndrome like GEM and some other lame cultivars like Sir Prize and a few others.   Sharwil is superior to jan boyce in every aspect for me. 

GEM, firstly is only ok eating.  I would say it is not at the same level of flavor or eating quality as hass.  Also they do not keep well after picked.  They tend to go bad quickly and can get wrinkly and even moldy if left too long on the counter.  I am not talking a week too long, 1 or 2 days too long and gem spoils.  Hass keeps much better.  And also the growth habit of GEM is very weak.  The branches even look thin and spindly and weak.  It does not have vigor like hass.  And when it takes heat it gets damaged easily and gets stunted.  I realize the small stature is a selling point but honestly to me it is not a desireable trait.  There really is nothing supior about it compared to hass IMO.  The only thing positive is maybe if you can plant them in a cool area thry will do well and you will never have to prune them.  And picking is easier.  This is not something a home gardener should worry about.  You are much better off having a hass tree that has more vigor, higher production and stronger tree.  And just do some occasional pruning on your hass tree.  Simple.  I think this GEM was way over sold as the replacement for hass but I do not believe that will happen.  GEM has got to be the most over hyped avocado ever.  Now they have a new one called Luna thats supposed to be the next best thing.  What happened to GEM?   Are we supposed to grow GEM or Luna now?  Which one does the packing house want?  Does the packing house even want GEM?  If you had a GEM and a hass tree, would you chose one over the other?  Of course you would.  And if you are like me and have literally buckets full of avocados all spring and summer, theres no reason to eat the inferior ones.  No one in the household wants to eat a GEM if we have hass or reeds available.  Its that simple.  Heck, I can't even get my neighbors to take the GEMs.  I give it to them once and thry don't want more.  Its like giving your neighbors zucchini.  They say thanks to your face but curse you when you leave.


Would Gwen be the better option than GEM?

Yes but Gwen also has the weak growth.  It is not horrible but it sets a lot of fruit and grows slowly.  Honestly it is so similar to Hass, I think overall Hass is a better option to grow .  But I do have 5 Gwen trees. 


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Overhyped avocados
« on: May 22, 2024, 04:01:48 PM »
Now here is a story to help put things into context.  I used to live on 1/8th of an acre in san diego city before moving to acerage that we currently live on.  At the old house we had no avocado but the next door neighbor had a bacon tree that was always loaded.  Thry let us take all we wanted and we did.  We loved getting those free bacons. 

But now I have hundreds of avocado trees and can grow whatever type I want.  So if I have others that are better, then none of us are going to eat a bacon.  We are totally spoiled. 

If you have just one avocado tree and it is a GEM, you will probably be really stoked to be getting those GEMs.  But if you have a ton of trees and every variety available, then you probably would not be very stoked on the mediocre stuff any more.  So if you have a small yard and space for only one or 2 trees, pick some good ones and you will be double stoked. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Overhyped avocados
« on: May 22, 2024, 03:42:54 PM »
Jan boyce does taste good.  But it does not set fruit well for me.  Like really bad fruit set.  Lucky to get any.  And when it does set them, they start dropping off the tree by late spring and also get easily eaten by rodents because of the thin skin.  Also the jan boyce seed sometimes is mal formed and can stick in the fruit.  And also the growth habit is weak and the tree can not tolerate heat well.  It has the thin and weak branch syndrome like GEM and some other lame cultivars like Sir Prize and a few others.   Sharwil is superior to jan boyce in every aspect for me. 

GEM, firstly is only ok eating.  I would say it is not at the same level of flavor or eating quality as hass.  Also they do not keep well after picked.  They tend to go bad quickly and can get wrinkly and even moldy if left too long on the counter.  I am not talking a week too long, 1 or 2 days too long and gem spoils.  Hass keeps much better.  And also the growth habit of GEM is very weak.  The branches even look thin and spindly and weak.  It does not have vigor like hass.  And when it takes heat it gets damaged easily and gets stunted.  I realize the small stature is a selling point but honestly to me it is not a desireable trait.  There really is nothing supior about it compared to hass IMO.  The only thing positive is maybe if you can plant them in a cool area thry will do well and you will never have to prune them.  And picking is easier.  This is not something a home gardener should worry about.  You are much better off having a hass tree that has more vigor, higher production and stronger tree.  And just do some occasional pruning on your hass tree.  Simple.  I think this GEM was way over sold as the replacement for hass but I do not believe that will happen.  GEM has got to be the most over hyped avocado ever.  Now they have a new one called Luna thats supposed to be the next best thing.  What happened to GEM?   Are we supposed to grow GEM or Luna now?  Which one does the packing house want?  Does the packing house even want GEM?  If you had a GEM and a hass tree, would you chose one over the other?  Of course you would.  And if you are like me and have literally buckets full of avocados all spring and summer, theres no reason to eat the inferior ones.  No one in the household wants to eat a GEM if we have hass or reeds available.  Its that simple.  Heck, I can't even get my neighbors to take the GEMs.  I give it to them once and thry don't want more.  Its like giving your neighbors zucchini.  They say thanks to your face but curse you when you leave. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Overhyped avocados
« on: May 21, 2024, 11:21:51 PM »
My definite keeper list:

Hass
Reed
Fujikawa
Nabal
Sharwil
Gwen
Carmen

And theres a whole list of undecided but likely to be doused with glyphosate and set on fire if they dont do something useful very quickly.  :D

Any updated on your keeper list or has it been the same?

That is my currwnt keeper list.  The santa clara gold is keeper so far.  Also I have a few pinkerton trees that I have had forever and am keeping for now.  I have a green gold tree also but don't think it as good as sharwil so it is kind of useless.  Murashige from Hawaii is also doing well but the fruit don't seem great but this year I have a lot of those to try and see if they are good.  Also Hellen is TBD but seems promising so far.  Hopefully they get good oil before dropping this year.  I have been very patient with jan boyce but so far its worthless.  Maybe it will impress this year. 


Here is the list of ones I top worked and are gone for good

Mexicola,
Stewart
Sir Prize
Gem,
Lamb,
Bacon,
Fuerte,
Mex Grande,
Ardith,
Nishikawa,
Kahalu,
Malama,
OTA

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Long sleeve spf work shirts
« on: May 21, 2024, 02:33:41 PM »
Guys, I wear regular cotton T shirts and have a red neck and a farmer tan.  There no sun burning under regular cotton fabric.  I think they would be quite high SPF rated if they bothere to rate them.  Long sleeve cotton T shirts are under 10$.  No need for anything fancy.  Get a proper hat, maybe a bandana over the neck, you be ok.

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They are selling the latest red skin pines for 395$ at melissas.  Seems reasonable...
https://www.melissas.com/products/rubyglow-pineapples



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Overhyped avocados
« on: May 18, 2024, 02:55:35 PM »
I noticed a lot of the grow reports to be Spaugh to be partially true for me. He mentions uneven ripening which is a symptom of not optimal climatic conditions. Lack of humidity or excessive heat and sun can cause this.

Avocados adapted mainly from subtropical highlands more arid and desert conditions are going to impair quality of fruit and growing. Which Spaugh mentions some in previous posts.

Information is great that Spaugh reports, but don't write off certain avocados from a bad grow report that doesn't match climatic conditions of one's situation.

Which ones in particular?

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Could be San Pedro, looks more like that to me personally

Not san pedro.  San pedro also has less spine and lighter green blue color. 

Its just a common cactus plant.  Theres a millions kinds of these thorny cactus like this that all look similar.

They all flower and make little fruits that look the same inside.  But most of the fruits are not worth eating. 

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It must be nice to be able to use a mower.  Thats like cheating. 

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The thorns look too big to be apple cactus. 

All cactus make large blooms and fruit but most of the fruit are small and flavorless like white dragonfruit. 

I could be wrong though.  The peruvian i have has much less thorns.  There may be more than one type though. 

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I used a lot of eucalyptus and never saw problems.  I usually let it sit for several months though before using it.  When it is really fresh and smells you can let it sit and cook for a while and it mellows out. 

Jason, I watched all your videos and was thinking too that you need more mulch.  I know it has made a huge difference with my stuff.  Yes it is a huge pain to put out but it really does help a lot. 

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Whats special about it?

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Prickly pear is super invasive and will take over whole mountain sides.


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When La Verne Nursery in Southern California started selling Sharwil avocado trees to retail nurseries around five years ago, I heard some people doubting they were Sharwil. I saw photos of these trees and they didn't look like Sharwils to me either.

I forgot about this until a few days ago when I visited a yard with a "Sharwil" tree that had been grown by La Verne in 2022. The tree was unquestionably not a Sharwil. It had an A-type flowering schedule and the leaves, stems, and branches all looked unlike any Sharwil I've ever seen. But what was it? Out of the varieties I know, it looked most like Jan Boyce.

Does anyone else have a tree they bought labeled as Sharwil in the past five years or so that had been grown by La Verne? Has it fruited? Which variety is it actually?

I posted a photo of the tag that went on all these trees.

By the way, I contacted La Verne, which is now owned by Everde, and was told that the manager who might have known about this topic no longer worked there, unfortunately.


I bought a Sharwil from a nursery in Fallbrook, and it had the exact same tag as one labeled 'La Verne.' showing in your post.  Now, I worry that it might not be the real Sharwil.    You've given me doubts, making me feel like this child might not be mine :-)

On the other hand, it's possible that mine is the genuine Sharwil. Because while I was repotting it, I found another tag buried deep inside near the roots, clearly stating 'Sharwil.

I guess I have to wait until it bears fruit to see if it is real or not.

I think they have corrected their problem a few years ago.  The trees i saw at the store a year or 2 ago looked good. 

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Legend has it that la verne sharwils were actually jan boyce from what I saw from discussions on the faceborg group.

Not surprising at all, la verne mislabeled everything.  They don't even seem to try and get it right. 

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Oh my god, lol.

No I do not have any sharwil trees from la verne.

Jesus.

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Thats really odd Mark.  I am having a hard time identifying that avocado.  Those have been on the tree a year?  I doesn't really look like any kind of avocado I am growing.   Maybe let them go longer and try again in a couple months. 

It kind of looks like sharwil but i have not see them turn dark like that. 

Its not one of those oro negro or tex mex trees you had going before?

Don't remember how long they've been on exactly, probably about 6 months or so.  I have one lower branch of Oro Negro and that avocado is pretty much round, not pear shaped.  No Tex Mex, yech. 

Since the branches are very thick looks like I need to stub them and graft to the shoots that push.  Done that a lot with avocados and mangos thanks to freezes (heating failures) years ago.  FWIW, did it with a peach tree that was very heavy bearing, 25' W X 12' T.  One of the 5 varieties was apricot....but I digress.
 




Before you go and chop it down, you can try to verify what it is with the new growth.  Sharwil new growth has red speckling on the wood when the tree flushes.  If you are sure it was sharwil wood that I sent then it is sharwil wood.  I would not have mixed it up. 

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Thats really odd Mark.  I am having a hard time identifying that avocado.  Those have been on the tree a year?  I doesn't really look like any kind of avocado I am growing.   Maybe let them go longer and try again in a couple months. 

It kind of looks like sharwil but i have not see them turn dark like that. 

Its not one of those oro negro or tex mex trees you had going before?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: May 10, 2024, 10:29:43 AM »
Here's a new one to me.  Whitsell avocado that Patrick Buddyroo sent me the scion in a birthday card a couple years ago.  It's pretty good.  Similar to Hass.  Its related to Hass somehow.  I would have to go back nd read the history to remember exact lineage.



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: May 10, 2024, 10:22:12 AM »
Orkine, sorry to see that, it looks like it will die.

Brad, how is the taste of the Hellen avocado fruits? I just bought another small, grafted plant and was thinking of grafting it on my larger tree if it tastes very good, otherwise I might just give the plant away.

I have a seedling Marcus Pumpkn that was given to me. It is the tallest and healthiest seedling avocado I have seen. The person who gave me the seedling has it in a 1-gallon pot and it stand close to 6 feet tall (wow). Fruit from the mother tree tastes very good as well.

Hellen is supposed to be excellent but I have not gotten a really good oily one yet.  Thry seem to drop from my tree late summer before ever getting where I want it.  But maybe this will be the year.

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