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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango cultivation
« on: March 31, 2023, 12:53:00 PM »
Is it producing flowers?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sapodilla tree won't grow
« on: March 31, 2023, 12:52:39 PM »
My container sapodilla has been growing continuously all winter, all my pouterias have been actually.  They are in a greenhouse, though.  Meanwhile annonas mostly defoliated and are just now waking up. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sapodilla tree won't grow
« on: March 31, 2023, 11:17:05 AM »
It will either grow or die, it can't do nothing forever!  Be patient. 

Assembling the actual frame of the greenhouse kit wasn't technically hard, it was just hundreds of nut+bolts for the frame and hundreds more self-tapping-tek-screws to attach the glazing.  Tedious but simple enough.  I am a big fan of polycarbonate, I think is worth the cost and it looks nice.  Lasts a long time and strong. 

RIP easy greenhouse dreams  ;D ;D ;D I think I can budget close to 40-50k, even though it hurts to even type.

That's all very good to know about water, insulation, etc. I'll be keeping everything in pots except maybe some citrus on flying dragon rootstock that I know won't hog up space, should also keep them less sensitive to cold ground issues. I'm hoping to do a relatively cheap geothermal system for heat to help with that, too.

You could do it all yourself if you want to do the research.  But think about heating, cooling, watering, etc.  Even if you have a simple greenhouse and simple foundation, you either have to run utilities haphazardly across your lawn or get some trenches dug.  If you don't care about permits you can do the electric easily, but theres no getting around physics when it comes to frost lines

... looked it up... "As of 2014, the frost line depth for the majority of North Carolina is 6 inches"

hah you lucky dog.  It's 36 inches for me.   

Yeah you could probably dig a shallow trench in a day and run all your utilities through it.   I don't think your dreams are dead

Given that your winter lows probably aren't so bad in NC... I'm starting to think you could make this work with electric heat if you use containers.  Geothermal may be fine most of the time, buy you will almost certainly need a backup plan for long periods of cold weather. 

checking my old emails.... greenhousemegastore quoted me $13k to install a 36ftx18ft steel framed - polycarbonate faced greenhouse on concrete piers (i.e. augered columns like deck footers) in 2016.   

The kit itself isn't too bad, but contractors will kill you.  Realistically you want water, which means a below frost line trench.   Electricity, which means buried or overhead lines and a new circuit, subpanel, grounding rods.  Heating, which means either propane tanks, natural gas line, or electric heaters.   

If you're gonna grow perennials over winter in-ground, you probably want an insulated foundation, which means an insulated stem wall that goes down below grade a couple feet, which means excavation, concrete forms or masonry block. 

I could easily see this running 100k total to "do it right" if you hire out everything.

The cheapest route would be to build a foundation of something like railroad ties/big pressure treated wood or some concrete blocks.  If you grow in containers you can get away with uninsulated ground/cold floor.  An extension cord or some fat romex or ufb for power... run across the yard from your house.  Heating depends on your fuel source.   A problem you'll run into is with water.  If you just run a garden hose it'll freeze solid in winter, and then you will be stuck running bucket of water from house to yard.  I have been through all this with my last house/greenhouse. 

Overpriced contractors.  I think I got a quote for around 15k to assemble a 32x18 kit when I bought mine from, plus foundation cost which probably would have been another 10k or so.  The greenhouse Kit itself was about 15k.  This was 6yrs ago before costs skyrocketed.  I can't even imagine how much it would cost to hire electrician, plumber, and hvac people to do elec, water, and heating setup.

I ended up doing the entire thing myself w/ friends.  Hell of a learning experience.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Valentine pomelo
« on: March 30, 2023, 08:07:01 PM »
Wow those are some dark green leaves, nice looking tree.  You are making me think I am under fertilizing my trees.

one of my surinam cherries has a crop of fruit ripening now

Okay, thank you so much for the info! That's comforting, it rarely ever hits freezing where I am so maybe I can try it out and just see - there is a grocery store that has Jackfruit I get to eat (no idea the variety, also probably picked unripe) so I have seeds readily available to experiment with 🤞🏽

Ripe jackfruit seeds sprout very readily, so you should have good success (if they were picked ripe enough)

I'm not sure about cold hardiness as I have mine in a greenhouse.  I remember that the excess jackfruit seedlings I left outside to die last winter lived through a couple freezes before succumbing.

Do you think the buds will go on to form fruit this season with no leaves on the plant?

I would remove all but one or two fruitlets, if you just want to try the fruit.  Without leaves to support them, most will drop off anyway and/or be severely undersized

The jackfruit trees (and other artocarpus) I had growing in containers seemed moderately healthy but sometimes struggled.   The ones I put in the ground in my greenhouse took off and are super healthy.  Might be my soil mix, or might be they don't do well in containers. 

In ground I have grafted "golden nugget" jackfruit that is constantly hitting the greenhouse ceiling ~12ft up and I have to prune it often, yet it still hasn't flowered yet.  Trunk is ~4in diameter.  I expected it would have flowered starting at least a year ago but who knows.  At this point I wonder if a seed grown one would have flowered already. 

It seems unlikely to me jackfruit could be grown in a reasonably sized container to fruiting size, but maybe there are some smaller types.

To actually answer your questions... I don't know what the isssue with transplanting them would be.  They seem fine up-potting and then going in ground.   They probably need up-potting twice yearly, I think the largest ones I have will be in ~15gal this year.  When in ground they seem to grow very fast, like 6ft in a year

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: One time use Chelated Iron EDDHA
« on: March 24, 2023, 02:02:42 PM »
I use about a teaspoon of EDDHA in a 5gal bucket when I apply it. 

Enough to make my the blue fertilizer turn bright green.

Yes, check the soil and see if it is too dry or too wet. 

Note that when citrus is too dry, the leaves curl to show this.  Then, when you water it, all the curled leaves fall off (unless the whole plant is dead, then they stay on)

From the picture, your tree looks healthy otherwise.  It should sprout new leaves soon if the roots are happy

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: WTB cherapu, keledang seeds
« on: March 23, 2023, 12:18:57 AM »

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Kwai Muk (Artocarpus parvus) Varieties
« on: March 22, 2023, 09:16:38 PM »
Getting some cool colors on new growth:

Yes!  it seems the new growth is a gradient of magenta to green, like the sheen of an oil spill.  Nothing like other artocarpus I have seen so far.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mamey and Green Sapote review
« on: March 22, 2023, 09:14:30 PM »
I am actually happy to hear that there is little difference between the types of mamey, as it prevents me from feeling like I am missing out on some different types.  I had a couple mamey sapote fruits (unknown cultivar) and I liked them alot, and I am growing a green sapote based on it being "almost the same but a little better".

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / RE: Seeds
« on: March 22, 2023, 01:17:55 PM »
pm sent

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mangosteen Advice Thread
« on: March 21, 2023, 08:45:04 PM »
Ah, gotcha.  You had my doubting my container

I had never heard of SugarBelle.  Looks to be a patented variety.  I'm also curious how it compares to Minneola.  "Very vigorous" isn't a good thing for me, though.   

Some of the best citrus I've had were Minneola tangelos (bought at the grocery store), however they are very inconsistent.  The ones I have grown myself so far have been soft and watery, and most of the store bought ones were same.  However, I am not giving up on them yet, I just grafted a Minneola onto flying dragon dwarfing rootstock as the nursery-bought one I had was far too vigorous.  I am going to give Minneola 3-4 years and see if I can get the amazing fruit I once tried, and if not I will probably ditch it. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mangosteen Advice Thread
« on: March 21, 2023, 07:56:47 PM »
That looks line a comparatively huge container, is the intent to minimize repotting?  Last time I repotted a mangosteen seedling I was surprised how little root volume it had, I probably could have waited another year or two before it got root bound

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Nordman Seedless Nagami Kumquat
« on: March 20, 2023, 06:24:51 PM »
Yup!  I wouldn't rip up a perfectly good tree if you're happy with it, I just mean for anybody starting new Nordmann is the way to go.

I certainly believe you, this particular type sounds interesting to me also.  I started noting my the seeds/scion/plants I acquire as "from so-and-so" as I suspect there will be a lot of variability once things come to fruit.

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