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My pears were in Southeast AL, but I brought some scions with me to WA. The Euro ones have yet to fruit, but the Warren is supposed to take some time ~5 years or so to begin fruiting hence the lack of commercial acreage. The Potomac was more than twice as vigorous and is supposed to be more acidic than the Warren. I usually don't allow my trees to fruit until established, at least 3 years of age.

The rootstock should also be blight resistant if you want your trees to be most protected.

Make sure your pears are blight resistant. I planted Potomac and Warren for Euro pears and Dasui Li and Shin Li for Asian/Euro Hybrids.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: M4 Leaf Issues ..
« on: April 13, 2024, 12:51:56 AM »
The tips of the roots are burning.
You have options:
Water more frequently
Use more water when watering (to try to flush Chlorine salts out)
Add Gypsum (to lessen the Chlorine burn)
Use fertilizers with less Chlorine (usually it's Potassium Chloride or municipal Chlorine treated water that are causing Chloride build up, Potassium Sulfate is preferred to prevent this issue if available)

Alternatively it can also be caused by overwatering as well, but I usually suspect the above solutions when I see this symptom.

Maruusa is an AI chatbot.

White sapotes are very hardy and very fast growers when established, but that can take time. If the tree has fuzzy leaves, they are often less vigorous and can be maintained at a smaller size.

The vigorous ones get really large once established, mine is a subelle seedling and is rather moderate, but I've seen yards with many that get no irrigation at all in dry areas, and those trees are large and vigorous growers.

I would 100% stay away from ever smoking meat with any pine lol.

It's a common name, scientifically Aus Pine is a type of oak relative. Oak smoked meat is very tasty.

If exchanging for a tree is an option, that seems best.

Mangoes grafted at that size usually don't do to well in socal.

I did end up exchanging it for the only other Ice Cream Mango they had. I can't decide if this one looks any healthier but I'm not making the drive again so hopefully this one survives! What size mango usually does best in SoCal? This one is only 5 gallon so I'm surprised you think it may not do well. Hopefully it being on Manila rootstock rather than Turpentine gives it a better chance.

Both Manila and Turpentine are vigorous enough, the issue is the size at which the tree is grafted, and the vigor of the grafted variety. Ice cream is exceptionally slow growing, and has fungal issues due to PM which make it a very poor choice except for the dryest desert areas. It's normal to wait until the rootstock is growing vigorously in the ground to graft it, usually year 3, but better to wait if you can and feed the tree heavily to induce quick growth so the tree reaches graftable size prior to flowering.

Once the flowering starts you won't see much vertical growth, the trees really slow down due to all the blooming. If you have a greenhouse, or lucky rootstock, or can coax some vegitative growth with fertilizer you may have some success, but I've not had much luck with small grafted mangoes, similar to most on this board (in SoCal, FL is a different game).

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Painter cherilata in San Diego
« on: April 05, 2024, 02:36:47 AM »
Well, selfs are good. The fruit ripen before cherimoyas in summer? Is it a short hang time, or are they hanging past dormancy like an avocado?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Varieties for CA Central Coast
« on: April 04, 2024, 03:07:31 AM »
PC or O2 as it is also known is a pretty late variety.
The less heat you get, the earlier the variety you select should be. North Indian varieties are somewhat resistant to a lot of the fungal issues you get in cooler areas like PM, but unfortunately they usually are not poly, so they have to be grafted.

I'd just plant a seed from an ataulfo and decide in a few years what to graft it over to.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Some intersting fruits from Viet Nam
« on: April 03, 2024, 01:21:06 PM »

The second is correct Ficus auriculata, a local fig which is edible both unripe and ripe, unripe one often used in salad, ripe one is snack for kids but often have much fig wasp body inside, they do taste sweet with thick honey like texture inside hence the name (Vả Mật).

Looks really good when pollinated, the ones in socal never get pollinated, and they smell great, but are too hard to eat.

Is the unripe one latexy? Do they need pollination to be eaten unripe?

If exchanging for a tree is an option, that seems best.

Mangoes grafted at that size usually don't do to well in socal.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Ripped Off?
« on: April 01, 2024, 03:10:07 AM »
Who said they were successfully grafted?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Zill Mango advice for wet tropics Qld
« on: April 01, 2024, 03:09:09 AM »
Taste-wise Aussies will like the Sweet tart, and it's poly.
It's probably not the most productive in the regions that lack a cool winter however, but the fruit are good.

I really like the Parsnip flavored ones like Aussies, but the new Zill ones are mostly Mono like their parent ZINC, which is a really good fruit.

Sweet Tart and Kathy are exceptions, and both are highly acclaimed. Kathy will probably be the one with the most fans when it finally gets there.

Seems more like macronutrient deficiency. Nitrogen may help if you want darker growth, but your tree is flowering well, and that's often the downside of adding nitrogen to trees in FL.

I do see what appears to be PM on the blooms, so there may be some spraying you could do to help with that.

For nitrogen you really don't need to apply to foliage, as it's soluble over a wider pH range than are many micronutrients.

I've foliar fed mangoes many times, but it's easy to apply too much. Your seaweed extract is probably fine, and is likely to supply Potassium which is a good thing.

Were those Marc Anthony's poly?

Now I'm thinking bacterial black spot, not a big deal. Those leaves never greened up however, so I would guess your micronutrient balance is off. If soil test indicates out of the 6-8 range it should be corrected.

 If the leaves harden up and they are full of holes, then it is a boron deficiency.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: The Fig Hunter
« on: March 01, 2024, 04:20:28 PM »
I've only had brief interaction with him at a fig gathering where he was giving away bags of cuttings, and not selling them.

Maybe he realized driving hundreds of miles to share scions of trees he drove all over to harvest scions of was a poor business plan.

Not everyone has a strong business sense, nor are they interested in being successful. I'm just guessing he's using this as an opportunity to get his name out there. It is interesting that he went from giving bags away to selling at high prices, but he probably has to start accepting the need to generate income as a business.

Either way, if you bring a good attitude and plenty of knowledge to a gathering, you tend to get plenty from it, but it's not always so interesting, sometimes you go to meetings for the company more than the presenter.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Foliar Feeding Micronutrients
« on: March 01, 2024, 04:07:07 PM »
Does anyone know what they do for those fancy mangoes in Japan?
If you tasted them, you wouldn't be asking.

Do the leaves stop expanding or do they continue to grow large and then stay that color?
The first is lack of boron, the second is Nitrogen.

It also looks like a fungal infection with the black spots, but that may not end up impacting the tree long term.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is this passion fruit unique or common?
« on: February 27, 2024, 08:38:41 PM »
Seems like a full meal right there.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: California Super Mango rootstock experiment
« on: February 27, 2024, 04:49:15 AM »
Wow, an excellent strategy to reduce waste.

Yes CRFG, but not actively attending meetings, get to know the older members and you will likely meet him. I imagine at his altitude/slope there's little if any chill.

I'll just say that I've never had apricots that compared to the seed grown ones, and there were multiple seedlings with similar fruit quality. There were four seedlings, two were fruiting that year, and both were similar and remarkable. He assured me there was little difference between the four, so not a fluke.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: avocados in a lemon growing area?
« on: February 18, 2024, 05:45:27 AM »
I am assuming it's not Meyer.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafting pears
« on: February 16, 2024, 10:34:31 PM »
Thanks for the info! I am on the hunt for low chill varieties. I may have access to some but curious what you might have. Also looking for a variety of other low chill species including apples, prunus, Mulberry, persimmon, and Asian pear.

Where you are blight resistance should be the number one concern. I planted in Alabama: Shin Li, Dasui Li, Warren, and Potomac.

Of these Warren is the least vigorous and Potomac the most.

For Prunus I planted Florida Glo and Jefferson Green Gage, but I would also plant Inca Plum if available.

There should be no issues with any persimmon, but I'm partial to the pollination variant ones.

I didn't plant mulberries there, but I get plenty of them in SoCal. I will be planting them in WA when I get some, chill hours shouldn't be a consideration for these, but performance in wet weather should. I read somewhere in the Panhandle someone was getting fruit from Morus nigra by specially treating their tree, but I forget if it was by removing diseased leaves or by spraying. Most reports are that nigra is too difficult and instead efforts should be given towards alba and rubra types. My favorite by far of that group is the Frank's yellow, which appears synonymous with Aus green, White Shatoot, Sharahanpur Local, and others.

We got in excess of 600 Chill hours in AL, but I think you should be able to get the Asian pears to fruit, you may be able to get blooms out of Warren and Potomac, it's worth trying, scions are cheap and available online, I do have some spares if unable to locate.

Did you fruit Inca plum in Alabama? What did you use as a pollinator?

My tree I was going to take scions from was killed by gophers, so it never got grafted.
I think Inca is self-able, but if there's any question of pollination, Santa Rosa has a very long bloom cycle.

If you can get Blenheim seeds, it's worth the gamble. A Spring Valley local planted a bunch out and all of the resulting seedlings yielded excellent fruit, best Apricots I've had.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: keitt mango taste
« on: February 16, 2024, 08:38:24 PM »
Try Sweet Tart, Venus, Kathy, and P-22. These all have the Parsnip flavor. I think Aussies might favor them highly. That said varieties like Edward and Karen Michelle are tropical tasting, but the resin is absent. I think these might also be well received.

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