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This has been a topic I've been meaning to ask about.
I've seen more than a few knowledgeable mango growers mention in passing it's relatively easy to control for PM, but I cant seem to isolate the "easy" control of it. I have a bunch of seedlings and smaller trees in an area that doesn't get great air flow, and the PM just overtakes many of them when the conditions are right; it's a year-round problem for me. Three years ago I sprayed through the winter with a mixture of sulfur and potassium bicarbonate after every rain; seemed like it worked, but then I went away for a week in early spring when it rained nearly every day and came home to a PM horror show.  Really want to find an easy, reliable way to get it under control.

I tried to report this spambot but the reporting form never submitted. Their signature looks like a spam link.
It went through, thanks!

These logical game questions sunk me on the LSAT  ;D

Rootstock is irrelevant to the fruit, basic answer is it's DNA is most likely some mix of whatever the grafted variety was along with the pollinating parent. More precise answer is you first need to figure out if the seed is monoembryonic or polyembryonic, google those in terms of mango fruit and do some reading; you'll get an understanding of what that seed will potentially become as a tree. Odds are it's mono and there's no easy way of telling what the seed will produce (even if it's poly, there's always a chance it'll be something unexpected).

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Florida weather South Southwest and Central
« on: December 07, 2023, 01:00:32 PM »
The months of drought-like conditions here next to the Gulf have a few varieties already flowering/fruiting. Piva was the earliest (flowered in Oct and now holds quarter-sized fruit), Graham and Rosa are flowering now. Several others varieties are swelling, hopefully this second cold snap makes those buds all flowers. Maybe I'll finally get to try Guava & OS from my yard this season....

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Lemon Zest Mango Seeds (6)
« on: November 30, 2023, 11:31:18 AM »
No chance they are, season for those is long over. If you want to get OS and LZ seeds from Florida, check back here next May thru July. You can also start a thread about that same time here with a title of "WTB - LZ & OS Mango Seeds" and you'll probably get some interest.

I think you mean ~16" circumference? The caliper size is the diameter.
Correct  :D

I have a friend who has to meet city requirements by replacing the trees they removed with 5" caliper trees (~16" diameter circumference). They want to do a mango and avocado; they are open to whatever varieties might be available. Pots would be great, but they'd also cover the cost of digging whatever up, too. Even some random seedling will be fine, just can't be scraggly-looking (should have a main trunk, no bifurcation for the first 1-3 above ground). Please PM or post pics if you have something that fits the need. Thanks!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What Pest is attacking my Longan Tree?
« on: November 05, 2023, 11:24:09 AM »
Yeah, I really can't believe I have this new pest, but it's the only pic/description that fits what I'm seeing. The closest lychee to me is probably 200+ yrds away, as the crow flies, and I would guess there's maybe a dozen trees in a mile radius around me (not a popular neighborhood fruit tree compared to mango/avocado). I bought the tree back in the spring from the Manatee Rare Fruit Society sale, maybe it already had it.

I am thinking again about also having a lychee and just trying to keep it small & very manageable.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What Pest is attacking my Longan Tree?
« on: November 04, 2023, 09:00:43 AM »
Thank you both for the feedback and reassurance. I think I might have tracked down what it is, Lychee Leei Scale:

Article from UF/IFAS describing it:
Unfortunately the article doesn't suggest any treatments, so I'll just treat it like other scales.

I thought longan wasn't effected by the erinose mite, but then I read a bunch of articles that put me in doubt. Seems in Taiwan the erinose mite attacks both trees. It's reassuring to hear there's probably some amount of resistance/avoidance to the pest in longan here. I really wanted a lychee, but I've seen a few trees in the area get hacked back to the trunk because of infestations.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / What Pest is attacking my Longan Tree?
« on: November 03, 2023, 11:13:27 AM »
Finally got my little tree looking healthy, but in the last two months I’ve been noticing very tiny white flecks under the leaves and in the branches. Mostly random individual flecks, but they definitely colonize in patches (like in the pics below). Leaves started turning yellow & dropping. Tried poking/prodding the flecks, nothing is moving (don't think it's a fly), looks like a scale. Really hoping it’s not the dreaded mite…

I drenched it completely with Monterey Horticultural Oil yesterday. It’s a tiny tree, so I’ll brush whatever it is off in a few days (if it’s still there). Just want to have a plan ready for the next time I notice it.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Inducing off season fruiting in mangoes
« on: October 29, 2023, 11:00:36 AM »

I bought these 3 lemon meringue seedlings in early Aug and potted them about 2 weeks after I bought them.  They have been in these pots for over 6 weeks and the leaves have been wilting for the past week or so.  The weather here in Phoenix has dropped but we are still having 100 degree highs and I have not changed anything.  I wanted to see if anyone knows why the leaves would be wilting like this as they look healthy otherwise.  The leaves are crisping up on one of them.  Thanks in advance.

Your soil-mix looks like almost entirely peat moss or something similar, way too much moisture-retention for mango roots. They like quick-draining, sandy soil; wet roots for long leads to root rot. I'm guessing the roots are already wasted and they'll all die no matter what you do now; it's going to stress them to repot and they are already super-stressed. Might as well try though, get a bag of cactus soil or other quick-draining, dry medium. I'd remove all but the single healthiest leaf from each, and cut that single leaf in half (or more), width-wise. Those leaves are doing more harm than good, at this point, but you don't want the plant without the ability to resume photosynthesis if it does recover.

I killed many, many seedlings when I started; getting the soil right is the biggest challenge and mango seedlings will fool you. They'll look healthy and great for quite awhile in just about any potting soil mix, pushing growth and pulling all their needs from the seed. When the seed energy runs out and they have to rely on their roots, they can die in what seems like days.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Free Jackfruit Seeds
« on: October 13, 2023, 09:58:48 AM »
Hey Kevin, do you still have seeds available?
Hello yes I still have plenty of seeds available!

My spammy sense is going off....
What do you mean?
Non-sequitur comments from new members are 99% of the time spammers (they'll come back weeks/months later and edit their comment with spam links). You are offering free seeds, not asking what to do with them, so the comment about how they like to eat them along with their post count seemed very suspect.

I am very interested in the seeds and I'll probably be up in the Largo area on Sunday. If that's close and I can meet you (or I can pay for the shipping and have them mailed), please PM me.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Free Jackfruit Seeds
« on: October 11, 2023, 04:41:07 PM »
My spammy sense is going off....

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Free Jackfruit Seeds
« on: October 11, 2023, 12:35:47 PM »
Hey Kevin, do you still have seeds available?

Growing sugarcane has piqued my interest several times over the years, looking over the varieties has me ready to finally put a plan in action.

I'm in Sarasota, very close to the water, what varieties would you recommend for the most visually attractive AND great tasting/easy eating? Are they all more or less the same vigor and do some clump more than spread (like bamboo)? I'd really like to get a variety or two in my landscape as novelty plants, not worried about production (taste quality >> quantity), and definitely don't want anything I have to battle to keep under control.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Air layering Mango Trees?
« on: October 01, 2023, 09:37:20 AM »
Just tried these pods !

If you are cheap like me, empty plastic bottles cut in half work just as well. I wrap the attached bottles in aluminum foil once in place to keep the light out; bonus to the plastic bottles is you can pull the foil off periodically and monitor root development.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Thief Caught
« on: September 30, 2023, 07:57:12 AM »

What does that do to prevent stealing?
If you can catch a license plate along with images of the thieves in action, that opens up multiple options for legal retribution/deterrence. Fruit has quantifiable monetary value; somebody cleans a tree(s) of 100+ mangoes, that's very likely considered a felony in Florida (>=$750).

Few DAs here will do anything like that.

They have a hard time charging people even with major crimes.
Doesn't have to get up to the charging phase; having the police show up at their door with pictures of them in the act would be a strong deterrence alone. Local media might also give time to stories like this. Small claims court or a civil theft suit might also be options. If you have clear video of them in the act, you have some options for retribution...

I asked a similar question not too long ago, might be worth reading over some of the suggestions:

Is September a good time to try grafting mangos? A friend wants to offer me some Florigon trimmings to graft onto the trunk of my Glenn. Also what type of graft would be recommended?
Whenever trees are pushing new growth is a good time. I used to think anytime March to November, but I tried a bunch in late July this year with no rain and "surface of the sun" conditions and had a bunch more failures than usual. Once the rains finally came, my success rate went back up.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Air layering Mango Trees?
« on: September 23, 2023, 08:59:49 AM »
My experiences with mango air layering were all initially successful. I took a few small seedling root systems from tiny trees and grafted them to the branch right above the bark ring; if one of those root systems took, I wasn't relying solely on roots springing from the branch. I say initially successful, because all my attempts ended up failing. I believe the issue was my trying to air-layer the main trunk of the trees (topping them and getting another tree at the same time), the new trees couldn't sustain the vigorous growth with the root system and slowly died. My attempts were with Sweet Tart and Atalufo, very vigorous seedlings.

I wasn't thinning leaves or taking other proactive measures like putting them in heavy shade; I thought the root systems looked so good they didn't need it. I've been meaning to do it again, but it IS easier to just start a bunch of seeds and graft to them. If/when I do, I'll pick a side branch that's the width of a sharpie or smaller, thin the leaves when I separate it (plus maybe cut the remaining leaves in half, length-wise) and stick it in dappled light until I see it harden a growth flush that pushed after it was separated.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Thief Caught
« on: September 23, 2023, 08:08:41 AM »

What does that do to prevent stealing?
If you can catch a license plate along with images of the thieves in action, that opens up multiple options for legal retribution/deterrence. Fruit has quantifiable monetary value; somebody cleans a tree(s) of 100+ mangoes, that's very likely considered a felony in Florida (>=$750).

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Forcing mango to branch out
« on: September 17, 2023, 08:55:51 AM »
Girdling is great for forcing branching, and you don't have to sacrifice the main branch/trunk. Right above the node(s) where you want branching clear a ~1/8" ring around the trunk, removing the bark and scrapping off the cambium completely (if you don't clear the ring of cambium and a connection to the upper trunk remains, this method will fail). It's trickier on a smaller tree like that, but doable (as long as the bark is hardened off, new growth is too delicate). The break in the cambium layer will activate the top nodes just below the break and they'll push. While that's happening, the tree will heal over the ring and eventually reestablish the cambium connection and continue pushing growth upwards.

There's a cheap little tool you can buy (I got mine for ~$3.00 on Ebay) that makes the girdling much easier, but it won't work for your small tree trunk diameter. Just use a sharp knife, steady hand and go slow. Practice makes perfect; I've been doing them for the last few years. I had a graft on an avocado recently that wasn't growing at all after taking in early Spring, girdled right above the graft and it immediately started pushing new growth on the grafted branch. It's almost a month later now and the tree has healed over the girdle, but now the graft has healthy new growth. I'm thinking about repeating the process just above the old girdle to keep the growth focused on the grafted branch. Girdling also encourages flowering above the ring, if done at the proper time/season.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Thief Caught
« on: September 14, 2023, 09:30:38 AM »
Sorry this happened. I think it's definitely good to teach kids to ask permission. I don't think it makes sense to assume the kid is gonna have some sort of life of crime. Growing up I acted similarly, it's what was taught to me by example. As I finished up my teens I started to develop more empathy and compassion for others. Sometimes our parents teach us what not to be.
I grew up similarly and it also did not serve me well in my teens and early twenties (I do have some funny stories, but little was worth it). Unseen victims are not the same as NO victims; a parent teaching a kid it's okay to take when people aren't looking is planting a bad seed. Like most seeds, it's likely to germinate at some point.

Well dang, reading that over I recognize the damage I've been seeing recently is also these little pests; thought I had sun damage. It's interesting that they are targeting my Semil 34 almost exclusively, haven't seen much/any damage on Lamb Hass.

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