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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Rosigold v. Dwarf Hawaiian?
« on: December 02, 2023, 06:44:31 PM »
I would plant a dwarf hawaiian for better taste and graft Rosigold onto a branch just to have both.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Anyone tasted Juliette mango this season?
« on: December 02, 2023, 11:25:23 AM »
My wife and I had one from Alex at Tropical Acres and it was a very good mango. I plan to get some budwood and graft a tree to Juliette due to later season, Carrie-like flavor, clean fruit and bushy tree growth. Seems to check all the boxes. Another great Zill creation:)

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Foreign mango familiarity
« on: August 27, 2023, 05:25:33 PM »
A couple of those I have some experience with. Harumanis or Aero manis is a mango I've had a few times, it's pretty ordinary. Tastes good but nothing spectacular IMO. No comparison to the new zill varieties. What you are calling Guimaras mango is simply the Carabao mango grown in the town of Guimaras in the Philippines. It is well known as being one of the sweetest mangoes in the world, but it's just like Carabao. I have tasted them numerous times now. Carabao is very good, but not overly exciting.
One mango I might suggest is Po Pyu Kalay from Myanmar. It's a very exotic mango that a lot of people compare to the Zill greats - Lemon Zest and Orange Sherbet.
The others I might focus on are the indian or Pakistani varieties - Chaunsa, Anwar Ratol, and Banganapalli. These types I think are very complex and spicy.


That is a nice list of mangoes that you already have planted. Many of those are what I have planted out. I personally would not plant Coco cream or Rosigold on the interior due to disease issues. I might consider Maha Chanok in place of Ivory. Peach Cobbler and Venus are both super delicious and are worth growing IMO. The other ones I might suggest are Angie as an early mango that is productive and disease resistant, Lemon zest for flavor and firm texture, and Carrie for flavor but it does have a pretty soft texture which I love. (Maybe you don't) The last suggestion might be a Keitt or Neelam mango as your late late variety. Both of those can give mangoes into November. Good luck!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Top 3 mango varieties poll
« on: July 24, 2023, 11:11:28 AM »
Having a poll for taste only is difficult because I find that most of the best tasting are the poorest producers. Cultivars like Bombay, LZ, Edward and Peach cobbler to name a few. Not to mention tree size... Most people will want mangoes to produce a decent amount every year. Unless you have unlimited space, I don't think the best tasting mangoes should be the greatest concern. Taste and productivity both should be the most important IMO. With that said, my top 3 would be Sweet tart, Venus and Orange sherbet with Angie, Pickering and Cotton Candy all a close 4th.

Top 10 - Flavor - Lemon zest, Bailey's Marvel, Carrie, Sweet tart, Peach cobbler, M4, Venus, NDM#4, Angie, and Cotton candy. Not necessarily in that order.

Top all around trees - Carrie, Pickering, Angie, M4, NDM #4, Orange Sherbet, Ceci Love, Honey kiss.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Terrible season
« on: May 19, 2022, 12:51:02 PM »
Only mangoes to produce anything significant in my yard are: Pickering, Lemon Meringue, Sweet Tart and Nam Doc Mai. Venus produced fairly well on a branch also. Most of the other trees only a couple each or nothing. :( I'm sure the weather was the culprit, rained almost the entire time the flowers were out. >:(

I have a large LZ tree that only gives a couple mangoes each year without any spraying. It's a fantastic tasting mango, definitely top 5 in flavor, but the tree size and disease resistance are big negatives. Orange sherbet is very good and has better tree attributes. If I were to plant again, Orange sherbet would get the nod. Is it a top 5 mango for me? Probably not, but to very many people it is. I do have a few grafted branches of LZ. I put them on vigorous varieties - Philippine, Haden, and Alphonso. Probably helped with the takes.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: First mangos from 2022
« on: April 24, 2022, 11:05:38 AM »
I had a few Rosigold drops from the windy days. They turned yellow on the counter so I tried them. Pretty good and actually sweet when nothing else is ready. A couple more left on the tree.
My PPK probably has the most mangoes on it this year. Maybe middle of May and I'll be picking them.
Only other trees with a somewhat significant crop is Pickering, Sweet tart and Nam doc mai. Everything else from about 20 trees has a couple of mangoes each or none.
Worst year of mangoes in quite some time... Oh well, look toward next year.


I have an eight year old Coconut cream which has never held a fruit to maturity. Always infected with fungus on the new leaves and the flowers. There is a lake behind my house that I think contributes to the humidity levels during flowering. A peach cobbler that is 5 years and no fruit yet. I believe it is known to take a little longer to produce. I also have a Maha Chanok tree which is on year 4 without producing, but that I think is because it has been vegetatively growing like crazy. Maybe too much nitrogen in the area it's planted in. My other 30 varieties give fruit fairly consistently. That includes NDM#4.


I think that Duncan is one of the most disease resistant trees you can get. Although I would probably try to taste whatever you are thinking of getting beforehand. You are only planting two trees, you better like them after waiting years to fruit! Pickering is a great little tree, but I don't really like the flavor. There are so many better mangoes out there. Also, I would probably go with an Orange Sherbet as an all around tree before the Lemon merengue, if you are looking for that citrus flavored mango.

Any rootstock will work. Not sure what you mean by dwarf in your question. Those are not dwarfing rootstock. Pickering will naturally be dwarf, Carrie semi-dwarf.

1. Coconut cream - no fruit in 6 plus years, always has fungus/disease issues (in my yard) and a scraggly growth habit like an octopus with branches growing down most of the time. Sad to say I never tasted it. Never plant one again.

2. Alphonso - doesn't produce in florida

3. Mallika - Never could get the timing right and always tasted like a vegetable.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Late(r) Season Mango Question
« on: June 13, 2021, 01:12:02 PM »
Cotton Candy and M4 are two really great tasting mangoes. I have a CC tree which held fruit into august last year. Of note, I knocked down about a half size cotton candy mango last month and let it ripen just to see, and it was not bad about a week later. Not that sweet, but good. M4 I have grafted and waiting excitedly for fruit. But I had one from zills a couple years ago and it was fantastic, even though it was mostly dull green. Lots of coconut flavor. I did not like little Gem. Had an aftertaste similar to Graham to me.


Baileys Marvel, PPK, Edward, Maha Chanok, Rosigold - In that order.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: venus mango
« on: April 25, 2021, 01:49:26 PM »
Do you see a lot of fruit split with this variety?
I have had fruits on mine for two seasons now and last year just about all the fruits split (I only let it hold a few and it dropped some itself).
This year, it has dropped most fruits but of 4 that have reached a good size, one split this morning and our bif rain event was a week or so ago.  We didn't even have a much if any rain in the last 3 days.  I am in southeast florida and inland and have relatively relatively higher humidity than coastal regions.

The link below is to my post from last year with a picture of the split fruit.  The two posts that follow have some information about the variety, including its susceptibility to MBBS.  I am not removing the branch (at least not yet) but I am not making it its own stand alone tree either.

I have not seen any Venus split on my tree (topworked branch on Alphonso) that I can remember in 3-4  years of production. It's a richly flavored mango in my opinion and quite productive. It does seem to drop a lot of fruit before maturing, but it sets so many that I still get a good amount. I have not had any disease issues like anthracnose. A rosigold that is about 15 ft away gets decimated each year with Anthracnose. I like it very much and plan to plant a tree someday. I say give it a chance, maybe something else is going on like MBBS splitting the fruit. I have been lucky so far, although a Keitt tree is very close to the Venus also. This has been my experience with venus.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Top ten tree mango list
« on: March 23, 2021, 03:41:13 PM »
My 10 or so must have trees:

Carrie: Taste, disease resistance, and manageable tree.
Sweet Tart: Taste, Productivity, disease resistance.
Bailey's Marvel - Taste
Lemon Zest - Taste
Rosigold - very early season, productivity, manageable tree
Venus - Taste, productivity, disease resistance
Cotton Candy - Taste, productivity, seems to have good disease resistance at my place first two seasons fruiting
Fruit Punch - Productivity, Taste, and looks like good disease resistance at my place
Pickering - Productivity and tree size
Lemon Merengue - Taste, productivity
Honey kiss - productivity, tree size, late season
Keitt - Taste, productivity, manageable tree, latest season
Dwarf Hawaiian - productivity, tree size, early season

I have been using this method for a few years now and they are probably only a slight deterrent to squirrels. As soon as they realize there are mangoes inside, it's game on and they will chew through the plastic to get at them. Metal cages may be more effective. I do find though, that those clamshells are a good deterrent for birds.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Valencia Pride - Dwarf Tree
« on: October 24, 2020, 01:35:16 PM »
I think that any typically vigorous mango can be dwarfed by an off-type rootstock. I have an Edward (maybe 7 years in ground) that is no taller than 7 feet and gives about 10-12 mangoes each year. Nice little dwarf, except the space was for a big tree...

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Durian smell
« on: October 24, 2020, 12:50:49 PM »
If you walk by a grocery store in the Philippines, you can tell if they carry durian by the aroma. It does smell before you cut into it, just not as strong. They typically discourage durian on public transportation due to the offensive smell. But it sure does taste amazing if you can keep an open mind, and possibly give it a few chances!:)

Yes, if you graft your seedling onto a mature tree, you should get fruit in a couple of years rather than having to wait possibly 8-10. Essentially bypassing the juvenile period. I don't know of a faster way to try your new variety. :)

I still have a tree full of keitt, 2 NDM, 1 LZ, and 2 of a seedling tree. Still eating ST from the fridge.

I think that the spiciness of a mango is different for each person's taste buds. Of the above mentioned mangoes, I detect absolutely no spiciness in a Carrie for the many years I've eaten it. ST Maui also has no spice, just sweet mango. Graham on the other hand has a medicinal taste that I dislike and am topworking. On an interesting note, I find that fruit punch has the same smell as a Graham, but tastes totally different. Great mango!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What is your 2020 grafting list?
« on: June 11, 2020, 01:20:28 PM »
If I were you, I wouldn't bother with Graham. Unless you have tried it already, you probably won't like the flavor. It also seems to drop a lot of its fruit before ripening.

I am planning to graft some OS, Guava, Seacrest, honey kiss, Ceci Love and M4. E4, son pari and phoenix are also a possibility.

I've read that Graham tastes great, and produces really well in Florida.

Video from TT

It is definitely my opinion on taste, although others seem to agree it's not the best tasting mango around. Mine does not produce very well and that could be my own cultivation practices. So it's getting top-worked to different, more interesting varieties. Honeykiss is on top of the list.

I think your problem is that you have planted two highly susceptible to anthracnose mango trees. Southern blush and Kent should not even be planted anymore unless you are growing in ideal conditions. ie. close to ocean or on Merritt Island. There are so many varieties out now that are better and should not require spraying. Check out a video by Truly Tropical on youtube about Marlys Zill. She lives in a humid area and they list some mangoes that perform well there. You can cut off some branches and start top working your trees to other varieties, or just plant some new ones that are resistant.
The Pickering mango should fruit semi-decent even in high disease prone areas.

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