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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Planting out Ilama in South FL
« on: July 18, 2024, 04:13:49 PM »
Best way to know is to look at what is growing in the area nearby, get familiar with the species that do well, they can tell you a lot. If your neighbor has big mangos growing and you're the same elevation, mango should be fine. How do avocados do in the area? They really hate a shallow water table.

Anything will do fine on a watered mound, so a mound might be overkill, might not, but having to replant an area after bringing in fill is a pain. Check FB marketplace or google fill material miami, don't get it from a nursery they are expensive. You want it delivered by the dump truck, which is about 18 cubic yards. It's better if you can get your fill material from a quarry, don't accept crushed concrete, request #1 or #2. Don't get top soil, muck, potting mix, etc, you want limerock fill. You are really just looking for a hauler like Allied or ASR materials or even better a solo trucker, they tend to be cheaper.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Planting out Ilama in South FL
« on: July 18, 2024, 11:18:46 AM »
You're going to need mounds for nearly every fruit tree with that water table. I had Illama planted in an area that was prone to flooding and they just didn't grow. So I transplanted to a higher area (10ft depth to water) and they took off. I have sandy soil, but used limerock fill underneath 2-3 feet under the sand. With all the construction down there, you can probably get a truckload of #2 fill delivered for $230ish.

ro membrane seems a lot simpler.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: It's so hot 🔥
« on: June 08, 2024, 07:49:34 PM »
remember climate change is a Chinese hoax.

I’ve tried many times over the years to grow cempedak here.  The in ground seedlings would never make it past a few feet tall, always struggling in the winters, and eventually failing.  That was with some real attempts at cold protection, plenty of foliage spray, chelated iron, etc.  Reasons for failure probably are multifactorial, but I think ultimately the weather and the soil are the main issues.

I have a good size Cheena tree (20ft) as a side note, which is a great tree and a really nice fruit …

Anyway, back to the point.  In 2019 I purchased some Chempedak seeds from Han Sen in Borneo.  I then planted in the same “hole” Chempedak and Jackfruit (Amber and Excalibur Red) seeds.  When the little seedlings were about 18” tall, I inarch grafted a few of the seedlings together. The idea was to allow the cempedak seedlings to share the power of the root system and canopy of a jackfruit trees.

Fast forward to 2024, and I noticed one of the fruits on one of the trunk portions of the multigraft bunch looked 100% Chempedak.  It is actually a small portion of one of the “trunks”.  Just a contributor from the roots up to about 18” high on the trunk and no participation in the foliage or canopy.  Kind of hard to describe or visualize - will add a photo to illustrate …

The fruit was really fantastic, I would say my favorite artocarpus that I’ve tasted.  I am brainstorming ideas on how to get the Chempedak portion of this trunk to continue grow, take over, or increase its fruiting.  One is not enough !!

Very cool, so you inarch grafted with jackfruits but left the top of the jacks as well. The jacks never fruited?

Well most improved means starting from a poor quality fruit, so for me it's grocery store strawberries, especially the ones from across the globe that are always sour. Also heard their is a farm in miami selling to chemo patients to help when they taste iron in all their food.

Tell us more, did you use any protective measures, was it in a microclimate like near a south facing protected wall. Would love to buy some seeds if you could spare some.

Im down for a group buy

Looking for someone to ship me any big fruited variety of E. uniflora for my cocktail tree. Thanks!


Sounds amazing. I'll be there!

I am having trouble growing them in S Fl. I have 12-18 month old D. Stenantha, aff confusa, and lanceolata. They all survived the low here this winter of 40F one day, but it was a very mild winter. All seem slightly chlorotic, not sure if that's the potting soil or high ph irrigation water.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Spring Cleaning v2
« on: May 13, 2024, 08:28:52 AM »

Garcinia sp. "Peru", $45, <1 year, 3/4 gallon

Looks like any other Garcina seedlings, but is healthy and green. If you need a picture, let me know.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Spring Cleaning v2
« on: May 10, 2024, 07:07:11 PM »
The spring cleaning continues. Prices, years old, sizes:

Garcinia aristata - $35, 1 year, 3/4 gallon

Eugenia itaguahiensis "Dwarf grumichama" - $40, 2 years, 3/4 gallon

White Sapote Grafted "Cambell's Sweet" - $55, not sure, 1 gallon

Plinia rivularis - Black Guaporeti- $55, 20years, 1 gallon
From huertas

Plinia sp. "Black Pearl" - $55, 3 years, 3/4 gallon

Eugenia Burkartiana - Seedshuntershop's top 3 Eugenia - $55, 1 year, 3/4 gallon

Eugenia complicate - $45, <1year, 3/4 gallon

Eugenia longipedunculata - container candidate 3yrs to fruit - $45, 1.5 year, 3/4 gallon

Plinia sp. "Peluda do Mucuri Blue Velvet"- $40, 1 years, 3/4 gallon

Talisia sp. - $65, <1 year, 3/4

fast grower, see Anderson's AI generated description below. I hope it's hardier than Talisia escualenta "Pitomba".

Pouteria sp. "Abiu-Cambuca" - $50, <1 year, 3/4 gallon

Annona reticulata "Oaxaca" - $55,1year,3/4 gallon

Annona reticulata "Juice Lemon"- $55,1year,3/4 gallon

Annona reticulata "Pakal"- $55,1year,3/4 gallon

Dougetia lanceolata $60,1 year,3/4 gallon

Pouteria durlandia $45,1 year, 3/4 gallon (dioecious)

Pouteria dominigensis $45, 1.5 year, 3/4 gallon

Lucs Jumbo $50,>1 year, 3/4 gallon

Garcinia sp "de Amazonia" 2x (sold as set) $70, 2 years, 3/4 gallons

Eugenia beaurepaireana - Rambutan Uvaia $60, <1year, 3/4 gallon

Campomanesia xanthocarpa $50,2 year, 1 gallon
from Huertas

Eugenia myrcianthes Ubajay $40, 2 year, 1 gallon

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Carolyn's greenhouse tour
« on: April 26, 2024, 09:54:36 PM »
very cool!  I had no idea you could fruit wampee in a container, I'm going to give it a try. Thanks for sharing.

Hey where did you get these if you don't mind me asking?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Greenhouse Questions for South Florida
« on: April 12, 2024, 10:04:27 AM »
I am looking into a small to medium greenhouse for my most cold sensitive species, will have electric heat, and don't want to go the route of a hoop house or plastic film. I want to do all metal frame with polycarbonate panels. Most greenhouses I see on a commercial basis in this area use hoop houses with plastic film, I assume because it's cheap. I wanted something that looks nicer, would stand up to 100 mph winds, and could go 10+ years without replacing the siding/panels. I was thinking of getting steel frame only metal building kit with 14ft ceilings and finding brackets for the polycarbonate panels. I want to be able to somewhat easily remove the bottom panels for summer months. I just think the steel frame only building kit would be sturdier, cheaper, more options than a greenhouse kit option.

Just looking for some feedback on this idea, or if I'm way off base.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: jackfruit tap root
« on: March 22, 2024, 02:51:21 PM »
I've planted plenty of jacks that outgrew their pots and the tap root was shriveled and clearly dead. Most are fine, they just take a little longer to get going. Really it depends on the size of tree you are transplanting. Younger trees would have a better chance of surviving

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Achacha issue: pale new growth
« on: March 20, 2024, 01:53:30 PM »
My leaves are always a twisted, gnarly mess, not like the clean, green, straight leaves I've seen others have.
Any ideas?


This just seems like too much sun, plant cant keep up with its metabolic needs

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Florida Natural Farming?
« on: March 18, 2024, 09:57:35 PM »
but just the fact that I use irrigation and mulch made me part of the horrible ones....

What's wrong with mulch? I never heard anyone in the organic/regenerative space criticize the use of mulch. In my Environmental Horticulture AS program, the instructors drove the point home about all the benefits of mulch.
pineisander...why are you not mentioning that you use synthetic fertilizers? As far as I remember, Eric didn't like the fact that you were doing 100% clearing of the land before planting "permaculture" in its place, not that you used mulch. I understand you had lots of "bad" trees like melaleuca but 100% bulldozing of land and then creating a "permaculture" forest in its place is something I would consider quite questionable if you want to be teaching permaculture to others and be the example of it. Would be nice if everyone named things by their names, not tried to make things look like they're something they're not. then no one would argue.

This may not be the case for Pine Islander, but in most counties in SFL, if you build your house on a lot, in order to get the certificate of occupancy, so you can get home insurance and move in, you need to clear the invasives. I would have liked to selectively remove old invasives as my fruit trees matured, using them along the way for shade, sugar, and chop and drop. Luckily I had some large oaks, banyan trees, pines, palms, royal poinciana, but it left alot of my lot treeless. Im letting the ear leaf acacia do the heavy lifting of covering up the treeless areas.

I see the benefits of planting trees next to other trees, no salts, no mowing. Joe Hewett mentioned in one of his first video interview with virginia about how well he sees trees growing in densely planted areas. UF TREC had a study of higher mango yields when they let the grass and weeds grow during flowering as well. I hope more people try this and report back.

Hi Jabo, I have about 12 of these size, they are at least 3 years old, 1 gallon pots. They range in size from this to the other....Most are closer to the larger size.

Send me a message if interested.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Spring Cleaning Sale
« on: March 15, 2024, 01:50:53 PM »
Hello all, Few plants for sale. Will be updating with additional species over the week as I make room for new seeds. All the best!

Plinia rivularis - 3 gallon - 3 years old - $55 - 2 available (also have 1 gallon ($25), msg if interested)

Koloc - 2 gallon tall pot - 2.5 years old - $60

Eugenia aff Patrisii - 1 gallon - <1 year - $25 - 3 available

Garcinia sp. de Amazonia - 1 gallon - 1.5 year - $35 - 2 available

Eugenia beaurepaireana 1 gallon - <1 year - $35

Eugenia pruinosa - 1 gallon - <6 months - $35

Annona monticola var "Crème Brûlée" - 1 gallon - <6 months - $100,vanilla%2C%20and%20a%20delicate%20sweetness.

My 2 are the same age. If I knew they flowered so soon, I would have kept them in bigger pots. Very healthy species, easy to grow, hope to plant out soon. I really think this species could become naturalized here in south florida.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: California Plant Hardiness Zones - 2023
« on: January 27, 2024, 06:04:31 AM »
My zone is now 10B but I will continue to grow like 10a. No soursop, sugar apple and star apple for me.
This is what makes me think there is more to plant cold hardiness than temperature, I went 10a to 10b, but have never lost a soursop, sugar apple and star apple to cold.

You can buy fertilizer, if you don't mind destroying your soil. Or just look up a local arborist and have them drop off free chips. Or even better a manure hauler will drop off manure for free, whenever you want.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: question on pitangatuba. Evgenia selloi
« on: January 06, 2024, 08:33:32 PM »
I've grown pitangatuba in muck on limestone and acid sandy. It has done fine in both. I'm still searching for one that isn't sour and unpleasant. I don't think they exist....

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