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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Capsicum tree flowers
« on: April 28, 2023, 03:04:28 PM »
Any more info on this, it is different to the other "tree capsicum" Rocoto or Manzano, Capsicum baccatum.
Rocoto and manzano are C. pubescens, which has a distinctly hairy/fuzzy leaf and purple flowers. This isn't it.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Eugenia with Long Germination Times
« on: April 21, 2023, 05:46:47 PM »
I wasn't trying to nitpick. Some people leave their seeds in plastic bags w/ vermiculite until a root emerges, then plant in soil. That's how you could see. I thought you were one of those. Recently I've bought many Eugenia seeds that arrived germinated (a few of them sprouted too). E. beaurep. for example came mostly germinated with tiny root nubs, planted immediately, and no sprouts yet 7 months later. I accidentally dug one up around a month ago, fat healthy seed with nice big, healthy, branching roots. Still nothing above ground though. They're in 12 inch deep pots :P

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Eugenia with Long Germination Times
« on: April 21, 2023, 03:42:32 PM »
Because of how quickly and easily this genus usually germinates, if I dont see sprouts pretty quickly I usually assume they are bunk and move on.

If you're talking about sprouting and not just germinating, my experience is very different. Eugenias tend to take months for me. I've had a few take over a year to come up. Not just rare ones. My low-confidence theory is the deeper the pot, the longer they take to emerge above the surface. That or they need warmer weather to emerge.

Nah, this one's different. He also called it Araza banana-limon. "...It may be similar to the araza-johvy, but we cannot confirm that it's Psidium australe or another Psidium exactly. We think it could be Central American, but we cannot affirm it either; the new shoots of leaves are brownish, which can mean that it resists frosts between -3 to -6C."

I have all 4 of Marcos' small ones (pera, banana, johvy, morango), still hoping the fruit are different, but the plants are so similar. His hybrid araza is different for sure. Also growing longipetiolatum, robustum, the orange-fleshed P. guavaja Bellamy was selling from HapaJoe, and a eugeniaefolia somewhere between the size of your two's. And just planted some of these

Your Araza banana looks fantastic. Eugeniaefolia is the most cold-sensitive of mine, except maybe P. guavaja, don't know yet. I had two about 2 ft tall and 3 ft wide, but the frost hit them hard last winter (a year ago), and one hasn't really ever recovered. The other one's about back to its previous size. No flowers on any of these yet. Your eugeniaefolia is actually flowering at that size Ryan?? I must need to fertilize more or something.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Graftatree Seeds For Sale
« on: March 16, 2023, 05:54:08 PM »
It says $18-34. If $18 is for 5, I'm guessing $34 is for 10, not 25, so maybe the issue is related to no price for the 25 pack? If it's $34/25 I'll buy a few.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Graftatree Seeds For Sale
« on: March 16, 2023, 05:03:40 PM »
Oblongata not working on Chrome or Firefox.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Yangmei (Morella/Myrica rubra) thread
« on: March 14, 2023, 06:47:45 PM »
I need help identifying this. For sec, I thought it would be wild rosemary, but I believe it to be some kind of wax myrtle. I found it along the trail during my running season. Took one home for closer inspection. They were cluster together ranging from couple inches to 3 feetish the tallest.

Morella pumila?

Is this a good time to buy scions? My CotRG are mostly forming brown leaf buds, but most aren't pushing just yet. The unifloras are pushing out leaf buds. Looks like the timing may be wrong for yours, since your garnets are about to flower?

Oblongata and Campo Ramon have been fairly quick. Sp. Shawi is actually one of the fastest. Probably the fastest are two unknowns. The tall one might be a coronata, the other should be either Acu Paulista, Branca Vinho, or Coronata Restinga. I did ten community pots with an assortment in each, and whatever it is, its siblings in the other pots aren't growing like this. The rest of this pot is mainly sabaras. The tall one was started from seed in spring 2020, the group pots in spring 2021.

Slowest: Nana, Phitrantha (surprisingly), navel-types (elongated, thin leaves), something with narrow lime-green rugose leaves (visible in the last picture, to the left of the fast one, amid a bunch of sabaras).

If you count white and yellow, those are both quick.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: 'Pecan Pie' Lucuma Scions
« on: March 03, 2023, 11:24:49 AM »
Who selected and named this?

35 English
32 Math
33 Reading
32 Science

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Trees with Edible Leaves
« on: February 23, 2023, 04:39:26 PM »
Thanks <3

I regret posting the article, didn't mean to hijack the thread Janet. Not trying to get controversial. Enjoy your toxic tree leaves everybody! ;)

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Trees with Edible Leaves
« on: February 23, 2023, 04:16:09 PM »

Did you happen to catch this only because it was a Californian congressman? I'm sort of baffled how this information would disseminate to the forum. Just seems like an odd way to highlight adverse health conditions with something I viewed as safe in moderation.

I guess it made me chuckle on how news of a congressman's wife is meaningful info to the forum

Nah, I read The Guardian (a British newspaper) regularly, and remembered seeing this article. It's also on the Wikipedia page for Morus alba.

I don't know what's baffling about my posting it. We probably wouldn't have heard about it if she weren't a noteworthy person. Her death doesn't seem amusing to me.

It was determined that the mulberry leaf powders she was taking were probably contaminated with other stuff or just plain mislabeled. Supplements are a very shady industry, it's a shame that their poor quality controls have caused people to be wrongly afraid of a completely safe plant like mulberry.

Any source for the claim it was only due to contamination? I looked but found none. Here's what I did find:

"The coroner had asked Colwell to identify the 1 1/8-inch-by-1 7/8-inch leaf fragment found in McClintock's stomach during the autopsy.

Colwell identified it as white mulberry and concluded, based on its flexibility and "some green color," that it "was likely ingested when fresh," her letter said. "


So what you say about it being contaminated "powders" doesn't sound accurate.

From the book page 33

"While there have been news stories about deaths from overconsumption of mulberry leaf, these are inaccurate.  ...mulberry is actually among the safest of all leaves humans ingest."
Nutrition. Extremely high in calcium and iron, very high fiber, magnesium, zinc, folate, and Vitamin C

I encourage everyone to do their own research before eating anything new. 


I looked, the book's source is the CBS article I linked, which is not definitive to me. "According to the CBS story “Experts Question the Role
of White Mulberry in Death of Congressman’s Wife,” mulberry is actually among the safest of all leaves humans ingest."

Personally I'm guessing it's probably safe, but this dismissal of concerns seems cavalier.

Blame the agricultural inspections not the buyer.
So are these getting inspected?

Your partnership sounds pretty unfair, since you'd be doing all of the work and shouldering basically all the expenses. If you maintain accurate expense records, you probably won't turn a real profit for years, especially if you put a dollar value on your labor hours for watering etc. On the other side of the partnership, there's a big risk your venture fails before you ever sell anything. Say I sent you $250 to get started with seeds, what's to say I ever get anything back from you? Given the chance of zero returns, your partner has to expect some juicy returns should things go well, which would probably mean you get screwed over on your labor and expenses. My advice is to not include partners. Instead of starting with 100 seedlings, start with 50, as your funding allows.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Please identify this fruit
« on: February 16, 2023, 11:36:39 PM »
Could be lucuma.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Yangmei (Morella/Myrica rubra) thread
« on: February 16, 2023, 02:49:11 PM »
My family planted 5 M. californica when I was young, and one by one they all died. The last one made it probably ten years, and looked terrible with dieback and discolored leaves. I don't know of any growing in other yards in my area. Maybe that wasn't representative, but I suspect Morellas just tend to have these issues. Some of the Chinese varieties are described as being dieback resistant; not something you see with descriptions of varieties of most fruiting plants. It also might be too hot for M. californica in the East Bay and Socal. Looking at iNat they're basically only near the coast, from LA up to Vancouver.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Campomanesia macrobracteolata flowering
« on: February 14, 2023, 06:38:50 PM »
I've got xanthocarpa, macrobracteolata, guazumifolia, hirsuta and schlechtendaliana. If others come up, it's on. I am really interested in them. First year leaving them out to suffer the cold and they're champions. Assuredly they'll defoliate but they're not getting damaged beyond leaves.
I have xanthocarpa and malifolia out getting frosted. The xanthocarpa has almost all of its leaves, only slightly damaged. I had at least one other I gave away. I think it was somewhat less evergreen, but it was also in a worse pot. Malifolia only has maybe 20% of its leaves, and they're more yellow. 7 month old guazumifolia seedlings are protected from frost but not cold, look great and are slowly growing still. I planted rufa seeds a few months ago, but don't have much hope for those. They came sprouted, and died back to the ground after planting. The guazumifolia took about a year to come up IIRC though so it's possible. My only issue is they're getting too big to not go in the ground.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: How exactly does cross-breeding work?
« on: February 14, 2023, 06:30:18 PM »
I had a giant dragonfruit once from a cross-pollinated flower. I suspect it got huge due to the genetic distance of the parents. I think I saw a study confirming this with dragonfruit once. I think it said only like 17% of the embryos (?) develop into seeds typically, and the amount of flesh is directly correlated to the number of seeds. But no, the fruit shouldn't tell you anything specific about the pollinator, except maybe genetic distance.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Selling: some plants
« on: February 07, 2023, 05:03:49 PM »
Greetings Roblack, I bought these seeds from Farwell Fruit Farm when he was selling seeds. I really don't remember the description of the fruit. I have a photo of the fruit that I downloaded from his page but I don't dare to post it here because the photo belongs to him

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruit ID - possible Australian native
« on: February 06, 2023, 01:21:06 PM »
It's possible the branch came off of a different tree: The leaf arrangement is distinctive, but I can't quite rule it out from the picture. It does occur in the right area, flowers in December.

Inaturalist thinks the first pictures are Syzygium cuminii. I looked through the Syzygium species of QLD and didn't see anything with a pink flower and dark purple fruit. Nothing that looks closer than cuminii, which is shown as invasive in QLD. It seems like cuminii x malaccanse would have fruit and flowers of the right color, but I don't see anything online about that hybrid existing.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Campomanesia schlectendaliana toast
« on: February 01, 2023, 12:52:25 PM »
Does a strainer not work? Heat up the fruit in a pot, add sugar, cook down, then pour through a strainer? Maybe cooking the seeds would impart bad flavors. Thanks for the taste report.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: 1000th Post Giveaway!
« on: February 01, 2023, 12:37:53 PM »
2/8 3pm forum time.

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