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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Wildlands Farm & Nursery Availability: Yangmei, P. adenopoda, Sweet Uvaia
« on: May 09, 2025, 04:20:11 PM »
Quote from: nattyfroootz on May 04, 2025, 11:22:01 AM
Stoked ya got the plants Rob!

Lance, they are pretty sweet. I've got one seedling that has substantially sweeter fruits with very little acidity at full ripeness (waterballoon explosion stage).  But still a good eat before they reach that point. 

Nate, so far I've only fruited what I believe are seedlings from Marcos.  I've got about 10 right now that are fruiting and just grafted 8 of them over to my one "Santa Cruz Sweet" Sundrop that is substantially fantastic.  I've got some other phenotypes that are beginning to flower this year so maybe I'll get a glimpse at the others this year, although I'm not particularly counting on it.
Thank you! I think his seedlings flowered much sooner than my others, I want to say at 2 years old.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Myrciaria Madness and Eugenia Mania
« on: May 09, 2025, 04:16:51 PM »
That's how M. strigipies and glazioviana grow, weeping so they scrape the ground.
Quote from: BloomAndSprout on May 08, 2025, 04:57:55 PM


Sp. Do maranhao with the branches growing too long, I think I did this somehow with how I grew it


I have several of the de Goiana. They are not florida. The new leaves are orange rather than salmon pink. Much larger seed too. My guess is Eugenia dichroma.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Wildlands Farm & Nursery Availability: Yangmei, P. adenopoda, Sweet Uvaia
« on: May 02, 2025, 05:28:14 PM »
Would you share the pyriformis sources you've tried and their results?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
« on: May 02, 2025, 09:24:49 AM »
Regrowth after freezing. P. guabaja 'guaba roja'

P. striatulum. These were only a few inches tall when I planted them in the fall.

P. 'robustum', dead branches cut back

Araza hybrid (?)


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Campo Ramon
« on: April 26, 2025, 08:16:35 AM »
Yeah I think one guy took his down to 17 degrees or something in Seattle. Looking good.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Myrciaria Madness and Eugenia Mania
« on: April 26, 2025, 08:15:20 AM »
Quote from: Jaboticaba45 on April 25, 2025, 11:24:35 PM
Quote from: brian on April 25, 2025, 07:35:48 PM
I am interested to hear your taste reports on the Topaz pitangatuba once you get fruit.  I wasn't a fan of my seedling pitangatuba, but it has qualities that seem like a superior specimen could be good.
Yes I’d love to get a brix reading on the topaz…
Sweet pitangatuba…😂
Let’s just say many people like MikeT would joke about that or a seedless macadamia
I've eaten multiple sweet pitangatubas. How many of the 'experts' still don't believe they exist?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Myrciaria Madness and Eugenia Mania
« on: April 25, 2025, 06:47:38 PM »
Quote from: roblack on April 24, 2025, 12:26:02 PM
Quote from: SHV on April 24, 2025, 11:07:03 AM
Love your optimism.  Variability sure, but no detectable sweetness and sour like a lemon?  What are the chances the reviewer got the worst selection of this fruit?

Probably pretty low. And what are the chances I have a tasty excellent one? Probably even lower. More open-minded than optimistic =)
Another similar report: https://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=54785.msg541696#msg541696

"Taste is similar to pitangatuba but more sour, pretty much tastes like lemon with faint floral flavor of Jamaican lillikoi. There is no stringy pulp wrapping around the seed like pitangatuba and the latex is low"

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Trade or sell locally in Los Angeles various odd rare fruit trees
« on: April 22, 2025, 03:38:14 PM »
Please post the prices.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Importing Mangifera species legality
« on: April 22, 2025, 11:22:28 AM »
Your link says seeds are excluded. I looked in the past and was unable to find anything barring Mangifera seeds.
Quote from: Daintree on April 22, 2025, 09:45:18 AM
Not at this time.  Nobody has slogged through the risk analysis procedure yet, apparently.
According to the USDA -

https://acir.aphis.usda.gov/s/acir-document-detail?rowId=a0jt000001ACESpAAP&Document_Type=Commodity%20Import%20Requirements


"Not Authorized Pending Pest Risk Analysis (NAPPRA) plant taxa are regulated for all quarantine pests that may pose plant pest risk.
To request the import of any plant taxa on the NAPPRA list, the import request must be completed and a pest risk analysis must be completed. Importer must submit a request per the instructions included in the U.S. Code of Federal Regulations: 7 CFR 319.5(d).
Upon receipt of an import request, APHIS will develop the Pest Risk Analysis (PRA).
Based on the PRA results, APHIS will do one of the following:
Remove the taxon from the NAPPRA list from the country or countries for which APHIS conducted the PRA, and then allow its importation subject to general requirements;
Allow importation of the taxon subject to specific restrictions; or Continue to prohibit its importation."

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Eugenia myrcianthes - Uvaia do Campo
« on: April 09, 2025, 02:47:00 PM »
Quote from: Nick C on April 09, 2025, 09:08:01 AM
Quote from: NateTheGreat on April 09, 2025, 01:40:40 AM
Wow. I have three seven foot tall ones with no sign of flowering.

How old are your trees? This one took a while to start flowering for me
I planted the seedlings out in spring 2019, so a bit over six years old. They're towering over E. involucrata seedlings planted at the same time, which are flowering. It seems like the flowers should come around May-June, fingers crossed. They don't have any weeping habit whatsoever, so it's interesting to see on yours. They're only now starting to come out of dormancy. Some definitely have nicer forms than others, unclear how much of that is growing conditions. Hopefully that translates to variation in fruit quality, and hopefully the uglier ones are worse.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Eugenia myrcianthes - Uvaia do Campo
« on: April 09, 2025, 01:40:40 AM »
Wow. I have three seven foot tall ones with no sign of flowering.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
« on: April 06, 2025, 08:02:13 PM »
It's a bit colder here. I got a lemon guava from Home Depot that looked just like this after one winter. Maybe if I grew from seed they'd be slightly tougher. The 'robustum' are resprouting, where the lemon guava tried and failed to, so maybe a hair tougher, about what I'd expect from seed-grown lemon guavas. Since your lemon guavas are fine, this should be too.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
« on: April 04, 2025, 11:34:08 PM »
Quote from: a_Vivaldi on April 02, 2025, 08:55:06 PM

Were all of these exposed to the same cold, or were the latter protected?
All the same. I have two 'robustum', both hit similarly, both trying to resprout now.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Butia x Jubaea
« on: April 02, 2025, 12:41:33 PM »
Butia seeds are (reportedly) edible too. Unfortunately the seeds may not be fertile. With Butia the embryos are within the seed shell. Not sure about this hybrid, but it might be worth cracking one open. For Butia, I decided to just let nature work, and got about 40% germination after a year.

From what I've read, there doesn't seem to be much to be gained in fruit quality by mixing in Syagrus/Jubaea.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Campomanesia guazimolfolia
« on: March 28, 2025, 11:42:09 AM »
I think you're right, guazumifolia, with a younger schlecht.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Campomanesia guazimolfolia
« on: March 28, 2025, 01:18:17 AM »
I'm not seeing the photos, but schlechtendaliana is glossy-leafed, guazumifolia is almost rough.

https://ciprest.blogspot.com/2018/02/guabiroba-verde-rugosa-ou-da-restinga.html

https://www.crfg.org/piwigo/picture.php?/3795

Quote from: docky on March 27, 2025, 08:18:08 PM
Still not certain of what I have. Here are some pics I found of campomanesia guazimolfolia from user huertasurbanas, looks like what i have(first pics). Also if u look at pics of camp guazimolfolia on bellamytrees.com his pics look like my fruit/leaves. Also found pic of young campomanesia schlechtendaliana plant on wildlandsnursery, looks like the leaves have little hooks. I have a plant labeled as campomanesia schlechtendaliana not fruiting yet and the leaves have hooks on them(last pic i posted). With that said I'm pretty confident what I have fruiting is campomanesia guazimolfolia, hard to be sure with so much misleading pics online. If anyone has input please jump in

Lmk if those scions u grafted end up taking Kevin!







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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Encouraging new members and fruit growers
« on: March 26, 2025, 01:48:14 PM »
Do you have a sale/trade thread to share your genetics with new members?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
« on: March 23, 2025, 12:33:56 AM »
I noticed Psidium robustum has zero observations on iNaturalist. So seemingly quite a rare plant, if it is a valid species. Almost all of the info I can find is from Marcos in Argentina, or plants likely sourced from his seeds. Since mine showed no additional cold tolerance beyond yellow cattley guava, it makes me wonder. I did some searching, and my new theory is it is the Psidium cattleyanum 'Robusta' mentioned in the second link.

https://www-colecionandofrutas-com-br.translate.goog/psidiumrobustum.htm?_x_tr_sch=http&_x_tr_sl=pt&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc

https://www-colecionandofrutas-com-br.translate.goog/psidiumcattleianum.htm?_x_tr_sch=http&_x_tr_sl=pt&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: some tiny beetles emerged from an imported eugenia seed
« on: March 22, 2025, 02:26:14 PM »
I received some seeds that USDA inspected. One had a hole in the seed, with a dead beetle in the bag. I left them on the counter, and another beetle emerged from another. Not Eugenia.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Myrciaria Madness and Eugenia Mania
« on: March 22, 2025, 02:22:26 PM »
Eugenia sp. 'Imposter sulcata', what I call these from Bellamy that he sold as unknowns from a batch that was supposed to be sulcata. Hard to tell if they hate the cold or love it.


Eugenia speciosa - maybe that sp. Fanta aff. speciosa that one collector was selling. Speciosa is said to be bad, but he claimed this find is good... Very similar looking to macrobractolata. I think i have two left of at least seven seeds. Lower survival rate than macrobractolata, and as noted above, sparser-leaved after the winter, though the leaves are greener. This is based on the 2 speciosa compared to around 9 macro/juba.


Eugenia beaurepairana


beaurep that was planted in June


Eugenia sp. Roja, sold as a live plant from Bellamy, said to be from near the Argentinian border within Brazil. Has kind of rounded involucrata-type leaves, which cup downward and tend to look chloritic. Not thinking this will be a winner.


Eugenia sp. CDQ, sprouted in the fall, just came out of the unheated greenhouse, acclimating to sun and will get planted out soon.


My surviving Eugenia sellowiana of at least a few more. I think I got a 10-pack of seeds from Anderson. No special care really. Mostly no water during the winter.



Eugenia coronata (the chocolate-flavored african one) made it through the frost under the protection of this pyriformis.


Eugenia aff. involucrata from Bahia. I left some out, and the cold killed them back to stems. Even in the unheated greenhouse they don't look great.


Left to right Eugenia verticillata, Plinia Grandiflora, Eugenia sp. de Goinia -- My guess is Eugenia dichroma --, Eugenia punicifolia


Two Eugenia verticillata and a Eugenia punicifolia (possible I'm misremembering this one)


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Myrciaria Madness and Eugenia Mania
« on: March 22, 2025, 01:50:31 PM »
E. tenuipedunculata - Planted 3 live plants from Bellamy in my front yard with no protection. No frost damage. Seems like it's an ornamental species from the Brazilian source video (Helton?) with the two trees.

Eugenia squamiflora - Supposed to be tough, living up to that reputation. No frost damage. From seed.

Eugenia macrobractolata (from Tradewinds) or sp. Pitanga Juba (from Anderson). I may have those backwards, but seems to be the same plant. Possible the same as speciosa/ sp. Fanta , but I could believe speciosa is a bit greener-leafed after the winter, but more deciduous.

Eugenia sp. Sweet Blackberry (some Colombian locality name too)

Eugenia sp. Murta Santa Catarina / aff. Ligustrina S.C. - six plants in back center. Dark green, thicker involucrata-type leaves.

Several Myrciaria pillosa:

Eugenia pisiformis

Left to right: Eugenia pisiformis, Eugenia campininha, some dying tropical plinia, labeled Grumichama peludo from Anderson, chloritic Grumchama gigante, Eugenia burkartiana, in back Eugenia aff. involucrata from Bahia, Grumi gigante, Eugenia luschnathiana

Eugenia anthrophaga and azeda area

Eugenia sp. Pitangao Amarella de Unicamp on left, Eugenia pulcherrima on right

Lost most of my Eugenia florida to frost, but a few under big trees survived



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
« on: March 16, 2025, 04:43:04 PM »
Bottom right and one up one left, in center, are Psidium sp. 'Laranja'. Up two and over one right is a Psidium pohlanium, to the right of a Myrciaria pilosa. These two Psidium aren't distinguishable so far.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pouteria torta cold tolerance?
« on: March 15, 2025, 06:23:46 PM »
I've mentioned these in comments on other Pouteria threads, but here are some pictures. I got these as Pouteria torta from Bellamy as live plants in October 2023, with these pictures: https://www.bellamytrees.com/sold-out-species/p/pouteria-torta?rq=pouteria%20torta I haven't tried exposing them to frost, but they don't seem to get as dejected from cold as my Pouteria viridis. There are three of them, and behind them with a single remaining leaf is a P. viridis. Most of my viridis are happier than that one, but also larger and older. While I had a thermometer in this greenhouse, the lowest I saw was 27 IIRC, but it may have gotten a bit colder later in the winter.




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Has Anyone Tasted Eugenia Squamiflora?
« on: March 15, 2025, 04:09:22 PM »
How are yours doing?


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
« on: March 15, 2025, 04:01:02 PM »
Psidium robustum. Seems to have the same hardiness as lemon guava, which is not quite enough for me. 



I forget which of these is 'hybrid araza' and which is another of Marcos's arazas. I took photos of the labels somewhere. The hybrid is sold as guineense x grandifolium. edit: I think the first, redder one is the hybrid. Thanks to Giant Gecko for sending it to me!


P. guavaja 'guabaja roja'


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