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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pura Vida Avocado in S. Florida
« on: April 11, 2022, 06:28:31 PM »
Oscar, your tree is huge, how old is it?
Nice looking fruits.
5 years old.

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Jeff, no one has fruited macrantha before because nobody ever planted it before. Was not available until very recently. Thought this need to be clarified.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sending a plant to USA
« on: March 04, 2022, 07:05:10 AM »
It's not at all forbidden. You just need to get a phytosanitary certificate from your country's agriculture department. Call them to see what the requirements for that are. Many private couriers don't like to deal with plants, some outright don't do it. It might be better if you can send it express EMS through regular postal service. You could also send it air freight, which would be a lot faster, but more costly.

Oh yes for information fruitlovers, the plant passport is not enough. It is also necessary to be an approved nursery in your country, to send seeds or scions to the USA.
To obtain a phytosanitary certificate you don't need to be a nursery to either send it or to receive it. To receive seeds in USA  a phyto is not even needed if you obtain a small seed lot permit from USDA. Scions will require a phyto if sent internationally.

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BEI or Nutri Ag

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Thank you so much for your advice!  At what rate do you apply the dolomite?  Should I apply it on my entire orchard or just where I plan on having durian?
Most trees appreciate the dolomite. Use it inside the planting holes. Reapply after heavy rains around the base of the tree. In Hawaii it's good to apply around base of tree at least every 6 months. More often in heavy rainfall areas.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sending a plant to USA
« on: February 22, 2022, 07:59:34 PM »
It's not at all forbidden. You just need to get a phytosanitary certificate from your country's agriculture department. Call them to see what the requirements for that are. Many private couriers don't like to deal with plants, some outright don't do it. It might be better if you can send it express EMS through regular postal service. You could also send it air freight, which would be a lot faster, but more costly.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Florida mangos in Hawaii. All good??
« on: February 22, 2022, 07:53:33 PM »
I hear you there oscar. I also wondered/assumed the same thing.   Honestly it really is an experiment.   I don稚 know if it値l work or not and even when/if they do fruit how they値l taste.    But I知
Committed to the process and will see it through.  Not only for myself but for future generations of mango growers here in Hawaii.    I値l probably plant about 30 varieties.   20 Florida and 10 Hawaii types.   

I知 not at all saying Hawaii mangos are no good. Mapalehu is amazing. Pirie is unreal.   Rapoza same.    And carrie here is also one of my favorites.  Just really wanna try that orange sherbet and peach cobbler and lemon zest.  To name a few.    See how they taste here.
Good experiment. I was trying the same in Hamakua with some of the Florida varieties. But gave up after even the Hawaii varieties didn't do so well. You stand a much better chance in your area with much lower rainfall. I'd plant as many as possible on your lower property as no doubt they will do much better there.

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Jeff, you will definitely get durian fruits. The only question is which types will fruit there and which won't? I would definitely add, if you have any space left, some Durio macrantha. That one is definitely adapted to cooler highlands. I gave scions to Mike Parker and he has sold them in the past. I would also add shade cloth to any cages that don't have it. Even if you don't have wind the trees will grow a lot faster when they are small if protected from the sun when little. Let them get at least 4 feet tall before removing shade cloth.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: First fruits on my Annona conica plant.
« on: February 21, 2022, 02:16:03 AM »
Hi Oscar! Do you still have seeds? Id love to try and grow some of these as well.
Yes still have seeds. You can order online from my seed page after March 10.

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Durians will grow well in pH 5.5. But you will want to add lime anyway because they like the calcium. I use dolomite, which has bot calcium and magnesium. If these two are not in balance then the calcium is not easily absorbed by the plants. It will be good for you to plant the durians on a slope if possible, as they easily get root rot. If you don't have slopes then put in a lot of black cinder into the holes to improve drainage.
For hog wire fencing, ask at Miranda's or Tractor Supply in Hilo for recommendations.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Florida mangos in Hawaii. All good??
« on: February 21, 2022, 12:15:02 AM »
I think they will all fruit for you Jeff at your location. The real question is how the quality going to hold up? Growing mangoes in Florida limestone soil and Florida climate is not the same as growing in Hawaii volcanic soil and Hawaii climate. I just posted same remark in thread about Rapoza inf Florida. Many people think that it's going to taste and perform the same in Florida as it does in Hawaii, and that's probably not true. And that's probably why many are dissatisfied with Rapoza mangoes in Florida.
BTW, you won't have results in 4-5 years.  What you might have is a few tree starting to fruit. Results take at least 10 years, and sometimes more.
BTW, same applies to durians. Just because Musang King and Black Thorn are top notch in SE Asia does not necessarily mean they will be top notch or even fruit well in Hawaii.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Rapoza Mango from Oscar
« on: February 21, 2022, 12:04:48 AM »
The other thing to be considered is that climates and soils play a very big part in how a fruit tastes. A Rapoza grown in Florida limestone is not going to taste or be identical to a Rapoza grown in Hawaii volcanic soil or in the Phillippines volcanic soils. The plant itself will behave differently in different regions also.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Rapoza Mango from Oscar
« on: February 20, 2022, 10:09:10 PM »
Rapoza is highly valued in Hawaii, not just due to great taste, but also because it is a consistent bearer, even in areas with more rainfall than mangoes like. It's not totally resistant to anthracnose. But it will keep flowering and looking for that opportunistic dry spell to set fruit. I'm sure there are lots of cultivars in Florida that are better, just because you have much greater selection and lots more mango selection programs than we have in Hawaii.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: THIEVES IN THE COMMUNITY
« on: January 30, 2022, 09:25:47 PM »
I blocked you from FB because you are only trying to harass me, not to resolve any issue. I haven't received any emails from you in many years! I cannot delete a post in a group where i'm not a moderator. That should be obvious to you, but it isn't? I haven't called you any names or accused you of any crimes, like you have, and continue to do, although defaming and abusing someone publicly is a crime and you're obviously guilty of that.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: THIEVES IN THE COMMUNITY
« on: January 30, 2022, 09:11:35 PM »
Most seeds were not sent in fact your missing $200 worth! so explain deleting my comment and blocking me on FB for asking a simple question, rather than being polite and having a conversation to explain yourself like a normal person would have, its easy to tell by your rude comment that you are not a good person and deserve no one痴 business The hawaii community knows the real deal same on you for stealing money from community members i know for a fact im not the first and surly not the last my jobs done here your true colors have been shown KARMA will catch up w you o and i dont need any help you do!
I didn't delete you on FB. The group administrator did. Don't be surprised if you get deleted here also. You're defaming me, calling me a thief! You're not trying to resolve a dispute. That is really clear to everyone by now.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: THIEVES IN THE COMMUNITY
« on: January 30, 2022, 09:07:42 PM »
Thank you Brad for speaking up and thank you for your recommendations hopefully some of these previous commenters can see im not the only one who has had issues.
Surly there two side to ever story id love Oscar to come in here and explain why he deleted my request for a refund and decided to Block a customer from asking a question im here all ears! :)
I've been sending seeds to people for over 30 years. So is it any surprise to you that of the many hundreds (or is it thousands) of packages i've sent that some people are not satisfied? Fortunatlely most customers don't wait 4 years to complain about something, to air their dirty laundry, or to try to defame me by calling me a thief. I don't take this lightly. I don't need to steal from anybody. Also i have proof that all items were either sent or refunded to you. Unlike you Ollie i keep a record of all my transactions.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: THIEVES IN THE COMMUNITY
« on: January 30, 2022, 08:59:56 PM »
Always two sides to a story. I'd be interested to hear Oscar's side of things. It's real easy to create false impressions from one side not actually knowing what in truth may have occurred. There could be a valid reason for both parties to have an issue from opposing views. Or one person is simply in the wrong and is just being overly exaggerative from their side. Nobody likes to admit fault especially these days. Not a whole lot of moral fiber in today's society. Not saying the original poster is in the wrong at all so don't get offended. Just saying we only know your side of things and Oscar hasn't yet defended his side if the story.
The facts are that he was refunded years ago. He doesn't keep any records, doesn't remember what he ordered, and doesn't remember that he was refunded. And then waits many years to complain about it???

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: THIEVES IN THE COMMUNITY
« on: January 30, 2022, 08:56:24 PM »
I have ordered seeds from Oscar multiple times over the years and they always appear to be correct and well packaged.  My only complaint is that sometimes he lists things as available he doesn't actually have for sale *right now* but I think he is a great resource and a trustworthy seller.  If you really feel you are being ripped off you always have the paypal dispute options, but I suspect that he will get back to you before it comes to that
If he really thought i was a thief he would have tried to get a refund from Paypal many years ago. Isn't there something suspect in that he waits 3 or 4 years to gripe about this. I wonder what his real beef is?

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: THIEVES IN THE COMMUNITY
« on: January 30, 2022, 08:53:07 PM »
Oscar Jaitt of fruitlovers nurser iv written you in private with no responses and have had a friend ask you in person to pls either send me the seeds iv payed for over 4years ago or refund my money?!?! Steve don稚 delete my post! How many other ppl out there are waiting??? You cant do business this way and not be called out within this small community.
I never received any email from you about this. Most of the seeds you ordered were sent to you, and the 2 that weren't were refunded to you very long ago. This was all occuring 3 years ago. If you have an issue why do you wait 3 years to gripe about it? And why do you air your dirty laundry in facebook or on this forum rather than really trying to contact me? I don't think trying to publicly shame me is going to help you at all.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: First fruits on my Annona conica plant.
« on: January 30, 2022, 05:06:32 AM »
I知 looking to buy seeds if anybody can ship to California?
Have them available and can send to California.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: what to do if U.S. Customs has it ???
« on: January 30, 2022, 12:06:31 AM »
I may offend some people, but there is an inconsistency of purpose. First, there is the health objective, which is important and should be respected by everyone. Indeed, each shipment should follow a protocol to certify the sanitary quality of the plants. Then there is another objective which is a bit more debatable. It is the obligation to be an approved nursery to be able to send to the United States with the sanitary passport. I, for example, belong to an association that regularly checks the sanitary quality of trees. And yet I cannot make an exchange with the United States for the only reason that I am not an approved nursery. So on this point, it's true that the United States doesn't make things easy. And then we are surprised that there is fraud, or that envelopes end up in the bin.

I'm pretty sure that in the case of the buddy roo envelope, the container wasn't even inspected to check if there was indeed a health risk or not.
He states in the post that it is a flat envelope. I doubt they are plants in a flat envelope. I'm guessing it was seeds that were seized.

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Two of my guava seedlings (inground in a greenhouse) produced fruit last  year which was their second year from seed. The fruits havent ripened yet and are still growing atm. Just wanted to share this since i thought this is very fast for my climate, i'd imagine in the tropics they could fruit at the end of their first year .....
Yes guava is very fast fruiting here in Hawaii, especially the cattleya or strawberry guava. It is considered not only a weed, but the number one most invasive weed here. There are impenetrable thickets of this plant growing on a major portion of this island.

atleast better then lantana ;)
Lantana is also invasive here. But it's not nearly as horrific a weed as is cattleya.

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Two of my guava seedlings (inground in a greenhouse) produced fruit last  year which was their second year from seed. The fruits havent ripened yet and are still growing atm. Just wanted to share this since i thought this is very fast for my climate, i'd imagine in the tropics they could fruit at the end of their first year .....
Yes guava is very fast fruiting here in Hawaii, especially the cattleya or strawberry guava. It is considered not only a weed, but the number one most invasive weed here. There are impenetrable thickets of this plant growing on a major portion of this island.

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Dwarf ambarella is fastest producing fruit tree i've seen. It produced fruits from time of planting seeds in only 6 months. But they are small plants. For a large tree the inga is super fast producer. But will depend on the species of inga. The edulis produced in 2 years. But cinnamomea took about 4. And vulpina is still not fruiting after almost 6 years.

Is that a specific cultivar or subspecies of Spondias dulcis? Some of our S. dulcis are big, but no flowers yet. Maybe it just depends on each seed?

Some of our Ingas are medium size, but loaded with fruit, and we also have some monster-sized ones with absolutely no fruit.
The dwarf ambarella is usually classed as Spondias dulcis, but it's very different. I'm guessing it must really be either a different species or sub species.

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Dwarf ambarella is fastest producing fruit tree i've seen. It produced fruits from time of planting seeds in only 6 months. But they are small plants. For a large tree the inga is super fast producer. But will depend on the species of inga. The edulis produced in 2 years. But cinnamomea took about 4. And vulpina is still not fruiting after almost 6 years.

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