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Sad for you. This is classic rodent damage. I lost probably 20 nice little yangmei sprouts to those bastards and now surrounded the pots with traps.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Gopher Gold
« on: January 26, 2023, 01:48:04 PM »
I don't know, the ones in my yard would tower over that one. I need to get back to trapping, I lost some very mature/ old trees the last year. All figs will now be in pots, and I will have to address the mango area, where gopher numbers are low and losses are high.

I need our Alabama cats out there, as they are rodent catching champs.

I keep trying to convince my girlfriend that we need a terrier with rodent catching built into its DNA. Man, that would be nice. Trapping is really tough for me because I am in Los Padres national forest so I am surrounded by oak forest. Really nice environment to be in, but totally unmitigated rodent and pest populations.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Gopher Gold
« on: January 25, 2023, 02:09:00 PM »
Yep, that's fine specimen!  Think of the luxurious coat you could assemble from all those fine gopher pelts. 
Now is the time to catch 'em when the soil is soft from rain and they refresh all their tunnels.

I admit I read up yesterday if they're edible!  ;D

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Yangmei (Morella/Myrica rubra) thread
« on: January 25, 2023, 02:00:45 PM »
I believe I have my first blooms on a few of my Yangmei plants today.

Looks very promising!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Gopher Gold
« on: January 25, 2023, 01:42:54 PM »

Got my first one of 2023 and it was huge. Did some good amount of damage, but got it overnight from first sign of mounds. Funny to see I was the last post here and thought I was done in March. I got another 15 after that post for a total of 25 for 2022

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Loquat cold tolerance
« on: January 24, 2023, 01:54:06 PM »
I am in 9b and there is a loquat across the street. I would say it makes fruit about 75% of the time. If we get a really sharp cold snap from Feb - April, the fruit can get roasted off. A shame that the fruit quality is inedible so I am working hard on top working it.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragonfruit and Bees
« on: January 23, 2023, 08:26:03 PM »
That's Ludacris. Bees 100%. If bees can't pollinate it, it eventually gets the axe. S8, Haley's Comet, PG, dark star, BHR have set fruit without self pollination. Bees do start early, so if you have a problem, I suppose you could tie a rubber band to the flower so you can hand pollinate at night. But that's to much work for me.

I believe  could get better fruit set with PG and dark star if I did hand pollinate, though.

I have a lot of self-sterile varieties and get ok fruit set on them with hand pollinating. This past season I had more fruit than ever, but also more bees than ever, so I wondered if it was my doing or theirs. It sounds like it wasn't me and I can just let them handle it! YAY!

Hi Bill

My trees don't look alive. None of them has a green graft. it looks like they were scratched to check if the grafts were still alive before they were shipped. I wish you sent me at least one alive tree...

I did lots of preparations, even built a greenhouse, and at the end... Got dead trees !

Though I was not in on this buy, I was in on the last one. I had a few that looked rough and I just did my best to get them to live. It's all you can do. In the end, I didn't have any plants to show for it - that's just part of the risk you take in buying plants in general. The shipping across country at this time is very challenging as well, and if they went through the wrong hub or sat on the tarmac too long, they would die from cold completely unrelated to Bill or the seller overseas. I think Bill does a phenomenal job with these group buys and it's clearly a LOT of work.

I know it hurts to lose a plant, and some money too, but that's just part of the deal with these yangmei orders. It's gambling and losses are common.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragonfruit and Bees
« on: January 23, 2023, 02:58:09 PM »

Here's an article about bees being helpful. What my question really is: can I stop hand pollinating with bees in my yard?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Dragonfruit and Bees
« on: January 23, 2023, 02:45:06 PM »
Does anyone have experience with bees and dragonfruit? I read conflicting information. Some say that bees promote better fruit weight, quality, and fertilization - others report that bees steal all the pollen and leave none even on the stigma.

My experience has been that they often steal all the pollen before I can get to it and use it to cross pollinate - but then again, I had a ton more fruit last year than usual and LOTS of bees. I still hand pollinated as best I could, but maybe I don't need to?

Any firsthand experience would be awesome. I just got bees a month or so ago and looks like they will make it thru winter.

All the ones I've tried have a real harsh dirt / vegetable / beets flavor that makes them not too palatable - but I've only tried a few of them and no named or selected varieties. I have 9 seedlings from a selected variety and will plant them out soon.

its a PITA for them to dig through compared to other spots in the yard-

lost a few choice seedlings to them being dug up

I'd wager that's rats or mice, not squirrels. I have about 15 traps in my greenhouse now but they still eat the lil seedlings. Hate them.

It's annoying cause his property borders mine so there is really nothing we can do, he also LOVES his eucalyptus trees and won't consider topping or managing them. His house is surrounded by them.

(I’m the guy who recognized you on r/sb the other day.) I didn’t realize there were eucalyptus up the mountain here but I guess I shouldn’t be surprised. They’re everywhere. My neighbor (school district) has got about 20 of the damn things near the border of our properties and is in uninterested in managing them either, even though they’ve started falling and the last one to go down damaged a tree on my side.

To the thread topic: I’m on a creek and the erosion from the flooding is getting close to taking out a half dozen of my fruit trees. Worse, if it gets through those, my house is next. So I wouldn’t mind if the rains were mellow in the future - but on the other hand I’ll take a little erosion over endless drought.

Nice to see you posting Reddit friend. I would strongly recommend getting a retaining wall put in. Neighbors below me on the river have a 10' sandbag / concrete wall that stands up to a ton of water every year, and didn't even blink with these storms even with water overflowing the banks. If you're a renter, I feel for you!

The eucs at my place are just starting to fall here and there. They're not massive but they're enough to cause damage, especially to my orchard and are obscenely tall. They'll certainly take out the power lines... Some people just can't be bothered to do any maintenance I guess!

Pics of my damage. Minor stuff. Idk if it happened when I was caught off guard by the first frost, or after everything was covered and xmas lights were strung. Overall I'd say the xmas lights and blankets do the job. I have this desire to get several custom fronts covers made. Like huge duffel bags with zippers, but no bottoms. Seems like it would make the process much easier.

They make those already but they only go up to about 8'. I used to use them but many plants outgrew them.

Have you planted any of those outside where you're at?

I'm in 9b and they don't like it outside of the greenhouse.

Great info everyone!

I'm a little behind ya K-Rimes, but not too far.

Really hoping e. pisiformis does not actually taste like piss.

I haven't met a eugenia I don't like, so I'm sure it'll be fine even if a bit pissy. I am really curious about all these new varieties that are coming out now. Something tells me there are going to be a lot of duds, but it's still a fun journey to fruition.

You keeping a good fire break and hardening your structures?  Its doubtful you will burn down if you did some work on not letting it happen.  100ft break and stucco roof?   I know which of my neighbors are going to loose their house when it blows through.  Some of them dont even bother at all with fire mitigation.

I have one neighbor who is a total prick who comes out and yells at us for pruning, weeding, or doing any fire mitigation whatsoever. He just wants everything to stay the same and thinks that it's a waste of time to even try. His house is so treed in that you can barely see it. It's annoying cause his property borders mine so there is really nothing we can do, he also LOVES his eucalyptus trees and won't consider topping or managing them. His house is surrounded by them.

I do my best and leaf blow every 2 weeks during summer, I pruned the canopy up to 15'+, but the houses are wood with shingle so I know it's pretty well guaranteed they'll burn down if and when a fire shows up. Wish my landlord would spend more on mitigation and tree work but she has other priorities like her son's wedding and traveling...

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: WTB Variegated Jaboticaba Scions
« on: January 17, 2023, 01:59:54 PM »
With variegated examples selling for $400-$800 you'll be hard pressed to find someone selling scions, but I hope someone is nice enough to sell at a fair price. Just buy a plant or two from jason, graft up some seedlings, make your money back handily.

These orange corgs are super cold tolerant.  I have 2 that fruit at 3 ft tall and survived my 17f hard freeze this year.

I put mine outside this year and they aren't even blinking in the frost. I think it really is CORG related cause my CORG is also super stout in the cold.

I have bunch of the newly available species but none even close to fruiting, I think that will be the same story for most collectors on here. We just recently have gained (affordable and easy) access to so many new ones as a community. It's been great for me to experience this renaissance.

In my yard the best eugenias (and most are in pots):

1. Cherry of Rio Grande - CORG has now taken top spot eugenia in my collection. Dead nuts easy to grow, VERY robust, takes frost like a champ, and makes a LOT of fruit. My experience is you will need a couple different genetic examples flowering at the same time for great fruit set. They are super easy to cleft graft so just get a scion from someone else and graft up if you only have one plant.

2. Pitanga - probably my favorite flavor wise, but I've battled mites and fungal issues and my climate is just barely too cold for them. I wish I could say they grow well for me, but they just don't. Fruit set is always dependent on my weather and I get that one last snap frost or rain that dusts the flowers.

3. Cedar Bay - I can't say I love the fruit, but it's good enough to keep a few of them and it grows pretty well. It's far more edible than others.

4. Pitangatuba - I eat them out of hand just fine and I think they're worth having in the collection. Another really easy grower. I have some outside in the soil now and look forward to seeing them grow.

5. Calycina - I have these beside my CORGs and I believe the pollen from CORG works with it. Didn't get good production till it was beside my CORGs and now it fruits readily. I also grafted some other calycina scions on to ensure set but the scions haven't flowered yet.

6. Grumichama - I liked the flavor of those that I've tried but I just can't them to grow and fruit for me, even in my greenhouse. I think they're sensitive to PH and I'm on the wrong end. Anyways, worth growing if you can pull it off.

7. Repanda - VERY PRODUCTIVE. Fruits almost year round for me. They are just small and flesh clings to seed so not a lot to work with, but nice to just stand there and graze for awhile. Pretty tree and the blooms are insane.

I have also: octocostata, multicostata, beaurepariana, copacabensis, vericillata, black joinville, sellowiana, langsdorfii, anthropophaga, caipora, and a bunch of others I can't recall. Give me 3-4 years and I'll let you know.

I can trap a gopher in under 48 hours usually. Can't say the same about being able to stop forest fires. My house is at high risk of burning to the ground (rural in an oak forest) so I'd like to not worry about that for 5 years. Drought is a very close second but I can deal with it by watering less, selling plants off, or putting plants in ground with lots of organic material on top . 

Do they taste different from the red ones?

I have only had a few, but the orange is definitely not the same flavor. It's sweeter, less complex, basically no sour at all. My CORG is kind of balanced / papaya flavor and the other cultivars I have grafted on are also kind of similar, just less or more sweet / metallic.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruit trees I gave up on
« on: January 15, 2023, 11:50:48 PM »
My loquat tree is slated to go to make room for my jujube. I bought the loquat tree because I heard it was one of “preppers” fruit trees. when the tree fruited last year, the fruits tasted so sour it was disappointing.

Highly recommend topworking it, or trying them when they are only dark orange. Loquat is an absolute keeper and there are some excellent varieties. Cannot fathom replacing it with jujube personally...

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: All this rain in California
« on: January 14, 2023, 04:26:03 PM »
Every year I see rainwater wasted, I can't help but think about this in Japan

Re: small farms vs big ones - it's the big ones that are the wasters / abusers, y'know, the 4 or 5 farms that receive the same amount of water as the state of Arizona to grow lettuce?

That Japanese water system is amazing. Not surprised, Japan really spends money on infrastructure and quality of life programs. I wish we had the political will to get mega projects done like we used to. Seeing the 60s/70s spec water channels all over CA shows what can be done.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: All this rain in California
« on: January 14, 2023, 01:47:48 PM »
If only the abundance of rain had a measurable impact on our groundwater. It’s often ignored how much agriculture and housing is dependent on what is essentially a non renewable resource at our rate of consumption.

Some groundwater is very responsive. With my well set-up you can pressurize the a tube and depending on the PSI see how high the water is. A good water year can bring it up 5'.

The issue really is farmer's and cities pumping far more than could ever be recharged annually, and doing this year in year out. With a reservoir you can see the level and build a plan around it, when you are pulling from underground you just have no idea and no one knows anyways if you draw more than allotted.

California will need to reckon with this sooner than later but the blinders are on. At some point, I think the state gov will need to exercise eminent domain to fix these issues. Agriculture accounts for 3% of CA's income, seems crazy to use almost all the water for such a small return.

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