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Hey where did you get these if you don't mind me asking?

I am looking into a small to medium greenhouse for my most cold sensitive species, will have electric heat, and don't want to go the route of a hoop house or plastic film. I want to do all metal frame with polycarbonate panels. Most greenhouses I see on a commercial basis in this area use hoop houses with plastic film, I assume because it's cheap. I wanted something that looks nicer, would stand up to 100 mph winds, and could go 10+ years without replacing the siding/panels. I was thinking of getting steel frame only metal building kit with 14ft ceilings and finding brackets for the polycarbonate panels. I want to be able to somewhat easily remove the bottom panels for summer months. I just think the steel frame only building kit would be sturdier, cheaper, more options than a greenhouse kit option.

Just looking for some feedback on this idea, or if I'm way off base.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: jackfruit tap root
« on: March 22, 2024, 02:51:21 PM »
I've planted plenty of jacks that outgrew their pots and the tap root was shriveled and clearly dead. Most are fine, they just take a little longer to get going. Really it depends on the size of tree you are transplanting. Younger trees would have a better chance of surviving

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Achacha issue: pale new growth
« on: March 20, 2024, 01:53:30 PM »
My leaves are always a twisted, gnarly mess, not like the clean, green, straight leaves I've seen others have.
Any ideas?


This just seems like too much sun, plant cant keep up with its metabolic needs

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Florida Natural Farming?
« on: March 18, 2024, 09:57:35 PM »
but just the fact that I use irrigation and mulch made me part of the horrible ones....

What's wrong with mulch? I never heard anyone in the organic/regenerative space criticize the use of mulch. In my Environmental Horticulture AS program, the instructors drove the point home about all the benefits of mulch.
pineisander...why are you not mentioning that you use synthetic fertilizers? As far as I remember, Eric didn't like the fact that you were doing 100% clearing of the land before planting "permaculture" in its place, not that you used mulch. I understand you had lots of "bad" trees like melaleuca but 100% bulldozing of land and then creating a "permaculture" forest in its place is something I would consider quite questionable if you want to be teaching permaculture to others and be the example of it. Would be nice if everyone named things by their names, not tried to make things look like they're something they're not. then no one would argue.

This may not be the case for Pine Islander, but in most counties in SFL, if you build your house on a lot, in order to get the certificate of occupancy, so you can get home insurance and move in, you need to clear the invasives. I would have liked to selectively remove old invasives as my fruit trees matured, using them along the way for shade, sugar, and chop and drop. Luckily I had some large oaks, banyan trees, pines, palms, royal poinciana, but it left alot of my lot treeless. Im letting the ear leaf acacia do the heavy lifting of covering up the treeless areas.

I see the benefits of planting trees next to other trees, no salts, no mowing. Joe Hewett mentioned in one of his first video interview with virginia about how well he sees trees growing in densely planted areas. UF TREC had a study of higher mango yields when they let the grass and weeds grow during flowering as well. I hope more people try this and report back.

Hi Jabo, I have about 12 of these size, they are at least 3 years old, 1 gallon pots. They range in size from this to the other....Most are closer to the larger size.

Send me a message if interested.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Spring Cleaning Sale
« on: March 15, 2024, 01:50:53 PM »
Hello all, Few plants for sale. Will be updating with additional species over the week as I make room for new seeds. All the best!

Plinia rivularis - 3 gallon - 3 years old - $55 - 2 available (also have 1 gallon ($25), msg if interested)

Koloc - 2 gallon tall pot - 2.5 years old - $60

Eugenia aff Patrisii - 1 gallon - <1 year - $25 - 3 available

Garcinia sp. de Amazonia - 1 gallon - 1.5 year - $35 - 2 available

Eugenia beaurepaireana 1 gallon - <1 year - $35

Eugenia pruinosa - 1 gallon - <6 months - $35

Annona monticola var "Crème Brûlée" - 1 gallon - <6 months - $100,vanilla%2C%20and%20a%20delicate%20sweetness.

My 2 are the same age. If I knew they flowered so soon, I would have kept them in bigger pots. Very healthy species, easy to grow, hope to plant out soon. I really think this species could become naturalized here in south florida.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: California Plant Hardiness Zones - 2023
« on: January 27, 2024, 06:04:31 AM »
My zone is now 10B but I will continue to grow like 10a. No soursop, sugar apple and star apple for me.
This is what makes me think there is more to plant cold hardiness than temperature, I went 10a to 10b, but have never lost a soursop, sugar apple and star apple to cold.

You can buy fertilizer, if you don't mind destroying your soil. Or just look up a local arborist and have them drop off free chips. Or even better a manure hauler will drop off manure for free, whenever you want.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: question on pitangatuba. Evgenia selloi
« on: January 06, 2024, 08:33:32 PM »
I've grown pitangatuba in muck on limestone and acid sandy. It has done fine in both. I'm still searching for one that isn't sour and unpleasant. I don't think they exist....

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: WTB - Campbell White Sapote Cuttings
« on: December 28, 2023, 01:37:58 PM »
I have an extra grafted tree, if youre interested PM me

I have a zone 12 greenhouse, heat mats and lights, so it is NEVER winter for me!



Careful, your plants may turn into that annoying Floridian always braggin to their outdoor plant friends about their incredible winter weather.

I've had trouble with high organic matter potting mixes. I think it's made worse if you use organic ferts. You get a dense mucky, wormy mix over time. Someone mentioned 70% inorganic (clay, sand, char, pumice, etc). That seems about right. Pea size or smaller bio char is my favorite and I have good success with 35% char, 50% peat, 15% perlite.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Foliar Feeding Micronutrients
« on: December 17, 2023, 07:18:06 PM »
I never understood the concept of "foliar feeding is not a replacement for fertilizing." Every time you foliar feed, whatever is not absorbed by the leaf is, by definition, then applied to the soil. Really they are just talking about application rates. Conventional farming says to foliar in grams/acre and fertilize at kg/acre. Sometimes I will foliar feed because applying salts to the soil is oxidative and it's going to be mostly wasted. At least that's what the research says, up to 90% of soil applied is wasted???? 

So I try to incorporate any micros (I use the sulfate forms) into organic chelates first (citric acid), I don't know if it helps, but the aim is to complex the nutrient as quickly as possible, then I foliar apply. Again, what % is bio-available in the plant?? We've all seen the green dots on yellow leaves after foliar applications, but at least some % is in the plant and complexed. This has led to mixed results, some plants respond slightly, many not at all. If they do respond, you know quickly. More importantly, with foliar you aren't putting a bunch of nutrients into the environment blindly and a higher % of the nutrient is used by the plant. I would say foliar is not a replacement for manure applications though.

Codycovefarms has some really good black eyed pea varieties. There is a variety that doesn't climb called modalvo or something like that. I like jackbean better, but the seed production is slower. I usually plant out an area with beans, cranberry hibiscus, pidgeon peas, sweet potato, but nature fills out the rest and it's a healthier system when there is more diversity.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Florida weather South Southwest and Central
« on: December 07, 2023, 09:04:08 PM »
Sunday looks like the best chance of some rain for next week.

Anyone use this? Most weather stations from major forecasters are from airports... this can get you more local temp data from amateur weather stations

Have you tried this, there are a few tools on the page.  I like the QPF for an idea of how much rain.

I have not. This is great, thanks for sharing!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Florida weather South Southwest and Central
« on: December 06, 2023, 08:02:17 AM »
Sunday looks like the best chance of some rain for next week.

Anyone use this? Most weather stations from major forecasters are from airports... this can get you more local temp data from amateur weather stations

I'm on east coast, we have sandy soils here. I planted Mai1,J31,Orange Crush, Cenna,Nangcem orange and yellow 12-18 months ago. They were doing poorly when I first planted, but my soil was basically beach sand. Since then I've put down manure and let the support species grow next to them, and across the board they all started growing faster, with the exception of the Nangcem, which is still slow. Most nematode problems are probably cultural practices (to much synthetic N) and not having enough diversity in your soil. One example:

I don't think you need to approach graft for nematodes, but I approach graft as much as I can for hurricane protection.

This is Julian Lara's favorite White Sapote. I have 2 available in 1 gallon pots, $85.

4 and 9 in that order

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What’s up with my rollinia?
« on: November 10, 2023, 09:26:14 AM »
I have four different types of Rollinia, and they are all flushing except one right now, no way it's too cold. I wouldn't fertilize. Is it in a pot? Maybe get a bigger pot and refresh the soil.

Occasional manure, but other than that nothing. Let the living mulch/weeds grow around them and they flourish.

I've not had any trouble germinating them. They pop up everywhere, pretty sure I couldn't get rid of them if I tried. I once bought a spineless Lulo cutting from ebay, I'm wondering if it was just cocona now. It never grew.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cupuassu in southeast FL
« on: November 05, 2023, 06:24:42 AM »
I killed 4 cupuassu last winter at 39F, the mocambo defoliated, but pulled through. I think you would need some sort of cold protection for cupuassu.

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