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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: White Pakistani Mulberry Cuttings
« on: February 26, 2023, 08:12:41 PM »
Not much difference between all the varieties that reference the long white mulberry fruits.
I have purchased the White Pakistan, Australian Green, King-Shahtoot, Saharanpur Local, and have them grafted to evaluate the similarity/differences.

What i found is that the fruits are pretty much the same size, tastes the same. Major different on these is the growth habit. The White Pakistan seems to grow the slowest, with more side branches with short nodes. It seems to be more of a dwarf growth if you compare it to the Australian Green.

The Australian Green grows fast, strong, has normal leaf nodes like the Black Pakistan. Fruits on Australian Green seems to hang a little longer when ripe. It is also the easiest to graft of all of them, but none can be grown from rooted cuttings much. They all need to be grafted.

Did you experiment with air layering and routing hormone? Did you notice a difference between fruiting time?

Citrus General Discussion / Re: varieties to eat in whole
« on: February 26, 2023, 12:17:52 AM »
Thomasville Citrangequat is good eaten whole. But most people spit out the seeds....your call...ha.

Can you describe the taste?

Citrus General Discussion / Re: ‘Haruka’ my favorite japanese citrus
« on: February 26, 2023, 12:16:59 AM »
I would say my Meiwa kumquat is the tastiest citrus.  Cant buy them anyway so I grow them.  My New Zealand lemonade comes in second.
If you get any seeds I would like to buy them. I would love to grow both. I don't think I can get New Zealand Lemonade here and the Meiwa kumquats have become impossible to find.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Still no flies or bees
« on: February 25, 2023, 11:28:55 AM »
I wondered about that last year in Houston. My guess is a new pesticide. My mom had the same issue across town from me. The year prior her yard was literally humming with all the bees. They did eventually come in the fall, but in the spring I had a huge issue. Blue basil helps. They really like it and having several plants helps attract them more fan anything else in my experience.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Trees with Edible Leaves
« on: February 24, 2023, 05:39:01 PM »
Rispa, if you experiment with chives, maybe try blanching them.  Take a pot and cover the leaves to exclude light when they are starting to grow.  The leaves will stay white since they are not photosynthesizing and flavor will be more delicate.

Daylilies have a mild oniony flavor to me.  Dusky rouge was selected as one of the best tasting varieties by Greenwood Daylily Gardens.

This is a great article on edible daylilies if you've never tried it.  Important not to confuse daylilies (Hemerocallis) with the non edible
Lilium species.  Also as mentioned previously if you're going to try anything new introduce slowly, some people may have sensitivity to it.  Not all daylilies taste good, they have been highly bred for their ornamental value.

Daylilies are one of my favorite edible plants.  Ninja storm has been my favorite cultivar.  The most common way I eat them is to wait the day after when the flowers fade and collect them in the afternoon to add to my noodles.  I have also dried the collected faded flowers and stored them to add to soups later.  The deep purple pigment of the flower goes into whatever liquid you add it to. 


Very nice, I didn't know any lilies were edible. Thanks so much. I will add them to the garden plan 😊

Also I've never tried eating the flowers. If my chives bloom I'll try them 👍

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Trees with Edible Leaves
« on: February 24, 2023, 01:47:23 AM »
Rispa, you can infuse the onion flavor into your cooking by sauteeing either onions or green onions in oil or butter then strain the onions out.  Maybe that will be easier on your digestion.  But yes, will keep you posted on the Toon tree.

Nope, any onion bothers me, even if infused and not the actual plant material. I may try chives though. Also sweet onion bothers me less, so maybe that's a hint for me to figure out.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Attaching kiwi to wall (no trellis)
« on: February 24, 2023, 01:45:16 AM »
I'm so thankful for this thread. I really wanted to grow kiwi, but was concerned about space as well. I could totally do a structurally sound trellis on a side wall. Look up "espalier kiwi" on Google images. I see some good inspiration there.

I tried it and it is a harsh taste. It's unique, but harsh reminiscent of cheese and it does kind of grow on you. I grew seeds and think I figured it the trick to better germination. The husk is tough and doesn't get water in easily. What you do to deal with this is dremel into the husk until you hit one of the three seeds inside. You may damage that seed, but there are 2 more and the walls between the seeds is thinner than the outer layer of husk. I found it easiest to dremel in from the spot where the stem used to be. Next soak them for two weeks changing it the water daily. Finally plant. I had very good germination, but for some reason many died this winter. I'm thinking they didn't like being in the garage. At least those that remain will be hardier. I look forward to hearing your results and the results from anyone else who tries this.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Trees with Edible Leaves
« on: February 23, 2023, 05:24:25 PM »
Please share your experiences and taste reviews of any plants that you try.

I ordered the Chinese Toon tree from several different sources a few years ago and found that I did not like the taste of the pink and several other varieties including the one from Sow Exotic.  The best tasting one was from an eBay seller in New York.  When I opened the box, I was hit with a “meaty” oniony fragrance.  It’s unexpected to have that taste and fragrance come from the leaves of a tree.  It reminds me of Cordia verbenacea, except that herb smells more like the Knorr chicken noodle soup packets in the ‘80s.  Looking forward to being able to harvest enough to experiment with.

I like the idea of how nutritious Moringa leaves are, but that horseradish flavor can be strong and overpowering in salads.  I found a dwarf variety from Baker Creek that has a less spicy, more nutty flavor like Katuk.  That’s the only variety I’m growing now.

Katuk is one of my favorites.  It does have a nutty flavor as described.  I love this plant and the variegated variety is beautiful.

Please keep us posted. I love the taste of onion, but have found it doesn't agree with my digestion, so I've been hunting for an alternative.

I messaged you about getting other plants, but haven't heard back.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Trees with Edible Leaves
« on: February 17, 2023, 01:25:02 PM »
Thank you for sharing. Looks like I might have a few more plants to try out

Citrus seem to do it. I'm making a point to bury all mine deep because I'm tired of them dieing to the graft and rooting from the root stock. So far so good

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best tools to test soil
« on: February 12, 2023, 08:04:51 PM »
Thanks so much! I'll start with the a local ag office and move to strips after 😊

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Delicious Papaya varieties
« on: February 12, 2023, 07:56:54 PM »
What's a reliable source for the Hawaiian sunset papaya? I like them, but didn't bother growing because store bought was fine and easier. However this year the papaya in stores were terrible, so I want to grow some.

University of Hawaii will send you Home Garden Packets (HGP) for several varieties at very affordable prices.
Fantastic! Thank you!

Citrus General Discussion / Re: varieties to eat in whole
« on: February 12, 2023, 03:44:45 AM »
Hyuganatsu is very rewarding eaten with the albedo intact, and the flavedo adds some more challenging flavours for enjoying the fruit whole, but a partial peeling results in something extremely enjoyable to eat whole or nearly whole. The ones with the wider season of availability which are grown in greenhouses seem to have an extremely small number of seeds, while the ones grown in fields (and therefore likely to have been open pollinated) anecdotally have much higher numbers of seeds.
What does this one taste like?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Best tools to test soil
« on: February 11, 2023, 10:43:35 AM »
I'm especially looking for a way to measure pH, but I'd be happy to get a few more tools for testing soil if they are worth having. I have a large need I'm going to plant with blueberries and I'll need to keep an eye on the pH, that's how I got started looking at ways to test soil.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Delicious Papaya varieties
« on: February 10, 2023, 02:31:11 AM »
What's a reliable source for the Hawaiian sunset papaya? I like them, but didn't bother growing because store bought was fine and easier. However this year the papaya in stores were terrible, so I want to grow some.

Okay, I want to give them a go and will place an order

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 10b - best snacking fruits for kids
« on: February 07, 2023, 11:49:12 PM »
Rainman, I think happyhana was referring to the Blackberry Jam Fruit (Rosenbergiodendron formosum - zone 10+), not blackberry as in the Rubus spp.

I personally prefer mulberry over blackberries, the trauma of brambles tearing me up is too much lol. although I am starting some mysore blue raspberry seeds from Brian Laufer, just out of curiosity.

I think blackberry are worth revisiting. Many of the thornless varieties are supposed to be quite good

I would like an order please

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 10b - best snacking fruits for kids
« on: January 24, 2023, 07:29:58 PM »
Blackberries. My daughter and husband are them all before they were ripe and I could eat them.
Phlox paniculata. Not a fruit, but they have a nice taste.
Marigolds. Also boy a fruit, but tasty.
Cucumber berries. Pick them and pop them in your mouth while passing by or pickle them. Very tasty.
Mutinga Calabera. I didn't get to eat many because my daughter enjoyed them so much.
Kumquat. My daughter and husband were fighting over the ready ones. I can only imagine what they'll be like once I find and plant a Meiwa.
Okra. You can pluck it and eat it raw. It might produce year round for you depending on your temperatures. You can have beans vine up it as a bonus.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Where to buy boxes?
« on: January 19, 2023, 11:47:22 AM »
Reach out to your neighbors and ask them to save Amazon boxes

Legally allowing trees to be cut down for fire breaks and controlled burns would help the fires.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: All this rain in California
« on: January 17, 2023, 10:54:44 AM »
It would be nice if more places got serious about water treatment, so water could go through several cycles in a city before moving down stream. Maybe if enough is put into the project the Colorado River and its delta can be grand once again.

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