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Mangifera08

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Wanted: Citrus reticulata 'Jiouyuezao'
« on: November 17, 2018, 03:05:55 PM »
Hi, I would love to buy seeds or plants of the Citrus reticulata variety named Jiouyuezao.
The internet says it is long cultivated in China and hardy to about –13 °C (8,6 °F).
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Re: Wanted: Citrus reticulata 'Jiouyuezao'
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2018, 12:02:03 PM »
This chinese seller has some similiar hardy varieties from China. I asked for Jiouyuezao some years ago but back then they don`t had it. Maybe now?

They offer
Citrus reticulata (Tuanianiju)
Citrus reticulata (Bendizao)
Citrus reticulata (Xingjin)
Citrus reticulata (Zaojin)

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Re: Wanted: Citrus reticulata 'Jiouyuezao'
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2018, 10:04:44 AM »
Very Interesting, from what I found online Tuanianiju, Bendizao and Xingjin should be hardy until -12 °C (10,4° F).
How hardy is Zaojin?
I can not find any Citrus reticulata varieties on this chinese site. How did you write them? In chinese? Or do they understand english?

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Re: Wanted: Citrus reticulata 'Jiouyuezao'
« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2018, 10:41:21 AM »
Jiouyuezao (September Early)九月早 is a chance seedling of the Citrus reticulata Bendizao obtained in 1960.
Trees are hardy, surviving temperatures as low as -13.4 degrees C in 1991.Fruits mature in late September-early October, weigh 48.6 g on averrage.
(Liu, Z.Z.; Yu, L.M., 1993: Jiouyuezao - a hardy mandarin germplasm.)

about Bendizao I wrote here: http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=26921.msg311735#msg311735

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Re: Wanted: Citrus reticulata 'Jiouyuezao'
« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2018, 03:42:33 PM »
Thank you for all of your information Radoslav, I greatly appreciate it.
 

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Re: Wanted: Citrus reticulata 'Jiouyuezao'
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2019, 06:36:37 AM »
I asked in english.

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Re: Wanted: Citrus reticulata 'Jiouyuezao'
« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2024, 04:19:22 PM »
This chinese seller has some similiar hardy varieties from China. I asked for Jiouyuezao some years ago but back then they don`t had it. Maybe now?

They offer
Citrus reticulata (Tuanianiju)
Citrus reticulata (Bendizao)
Citrus reticulata (Xingjin)
Citrus reticulata (Zaojin)

Hi,

This link sadly does nothing for me now. However I have read about some of these in this study:

https://www.fao.org/4/x6732e/x6732e12.htm

At the end of it there is a list of some Chinese varieties and Zaojin Jiaogan is mentioned there as a selection of Xingjin. Now Xingjin suffered no damage at -12C. That means it can probably survive -15C with some defoliation and slight dieback. That would make it probably the hardiest Satsuma if it's true.

In another work I read Zaojin Jiaogan fruits' picking time ranged from mid September until mid November in a fruit quality experiment. So the early ripening is there. If it's as hardy as its mother Xingjin, this is even better than Jiouyuezao. Good hardiness, early ripening and Satsuma quality - all I need from a mandarin.

Now back to the study I linked. When it speaks of cold resistence, it refers to a former study on cold hardiness. That was done at Huazhong University, Hubei. In the meantime I accidentally found some Chinese stuff at UCR:

https://citrusvariety.ucr.edu/crc4061

It says a group of mandarins were sent to.them from the same Hubei. I have no idea if any of these are the same as mentioned in the study or not, but if they are, sooner or later these may become available for the public, probably under a new fancy name. If all the data published in the study are true, and those mandarin varieties can do justice for themselves also at different locations than their homeland, then some new zone 7 holy grails may be born. That is, if all those published details are correct which we can only hope.

By the way, there is another interesting one listed called Meizhou Summer Jiaogan. Its ripening time is mid May-mid June. Now can it be an early flowering one that grows its fruit in about 2 months to ripen that early? Very unlikely. But most mandarins usually don't mess a whole year doing it, either. Anyhow, I wrote to two Chinese universities which did those field tests. I don't expect a reply antime soon, if any at all. But an email is free and worth a shot and I asked them about all the ones mentioned above.

So I am afraid we aren't any closer to Jiouyuezao here in Europe. But if Chinese or other sellers offer Zaojin and Xingjin again, they might be worth a shot. And they may even be better than Jiouyuezao. I wonder if UCR made any progress with those Chinese mandarins.

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Re: Wanted: Citrus reticulata 'Jiouyuezao'
« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2024, 04:07:46 AM »
Unfortunately, the seller regularly changes the address of the website... The link is from 2018 :) I think I found the successor pages again via Google.
We'll probably have to go to France for Jiouyuezao :)

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Re: Wanted: Citrus reticulata 'Jiouyuezao'
« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2024, 04:59:37 AM »
Yes, it seems so. If memory serves me right, it's somewhere around Bordeaux. And of course, we still have no idea if it's really Jiouyuezao or not. Or if it's still alive.

But if you happen to see Xingjin and Zaojin again for sale at a reliable seller, jump on them.

 

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